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yhtan
post Jan 28 2019, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(zinglicious @ Jan 28 2019, 11:29 AM)
If you read all the comments, you would see grabbing is not being advised as a career with new car or second hand car. Listen to the good suggested advice given who cared to penned thier thoughts for you.  hmm.gif

If you work for a company in sales, there is consistence target to be achieved, rewards that is stable from  guaranteed commission or bonus to brighter future of higher position.  hmm.gif

Your income goes lower and lower with the SK1M that changes without prior notice, according to crappy whims and fancies. No annual paid leaves, no public holidays, no medical coverage, no EPF and risk of getting banana which might not be justified by riders complaints.  hmm.gif

Even with new Bezza car, the guarantee comes with 5 years or 150,000 km, whichever comes first. Tarak Beza,  If you are driving hard to cari makan, your warranty would be voided in 2 years. Chances of accidents or tyres puncture increase with the extra mileage to grab riders with all those bumps and holes on MY roads.  hmm.gif

I had a Grab rider who was ex Grabber where he took into every sens and ringgit by recording every costing of petrol to servicing to tips from 10 sens to 10 ringgit in 1 year and other costs like phone and billing charges.  He gave up after that to become a private driver to fetch a school children to school and activities which takes 1 to 2 hours of driving in 6 hours duty in hsi Datuk car. Sumore, it is normally 5 days job. His earning is sama rata by grabbing riders. And The Malay chap makes extra by selling burgers tiap tiap malam where he untung Rm100.  hmm.gif

Buying a new car and selling it later always rugi and selling ex grab car sure kena teruk with beruk pricing.  hmm.gif

Finally, think about medical risks with health issues for that kind of long stressful hours of sitting and driving. Berbaloi tak?  hmm.gif

Just for the record, I used to drive for fun and charity fund with my Honda HRV as Uberman. The cost of replacement  from alternator , gear box and suspension comes to RM35K in just a year. Luckily it comes with warranty coverage. But the helpful service manager said that's it......where I am not using it to grab riders anymore. Now grabbing riders with Exora NGV whenever my mood takes me. It is fun to drive without all the stress to grab riders where I have to worry to maintain my car which goes kilometrico. I just have to worry about road bumps to avoid tyres punctures and service it with synthetic engine oil for the extra mileage.  hmm.gif
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my car recently got many problem popping out like gearbox issue, estimate cost RM1k. Driveshaft and throttle body cleaning another RM1k. I guess high mileage on grab definitely fasten the wear & tear
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post Jan 28 2019, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(AhmadAlbab2020 @ Jan 28 2019, 01:31 PM)
25 years old. Graduated at 24 but got bad CGPA jobless for a year, very hard to get job,
make sense, just our family still need car as our old car is dying
Thanks for the tips. So SC have record on the car millage hmm.gif
People drive grab due to desperation, currently i am desperate enough to consider grab
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If can get the car for cash and need it, then go for it, the car sitting there earn nothing also a cost for u.

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post Jan 28 2019, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Jan 28 2019, 02:56 PM)
Smart passengers using Grab will be more rewarding if ordering JustGrab service or GrabShare.
Here is the reason why:

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Grab is offering higher reward points if you ordered JustGrab / GrabShare. Or see here: https://www.grab.com/my/grabrewards/
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Nothing beat the usage of grabpay, which giving 20x reward points tongue.gif

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post Jan 28 2019, 08:45 PM

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Gross - 38
commission - 7.60
Time booster - 1.30
GS bonus - 2.10
Net 33.80 for 1.5 hrs, worth it? I mean those intend to do full time.

Again it prove time booster is a big scam system

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post Jan 28 2019, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(blueric94 @ Jan 28 2019, 09:01 PM)
For HG driver, TBB is like a scam. For flexi / new driver, TBB is like jackpot. Me myself was flexi driver so to me TBB allows me earn more, for HG drivers sure is a no-no lo  icon_idea.gif
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I don't understand what u talking about, regardless HG/Flexi is irrelevant now. I'm looking at how much i can earn per hour.

QUOTE(destiny6 @ Jan 28 2019, 09:09 PM)
Bersyukur laaa sifu, better than nothing
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RM20 per hour, minus car expenses earn RM10, cukur above minimum wages

QUOTE(elroses @ Jan 28 2019, 10:03 PM)
Finally snapped today. Ferry this one bangla from balakong to taman muhibah near ktm serdang. Before started the trip, i confirm with him the DOP. He said yes. Then when nearby I already suspect something cause he doesn't recognize this place. Then he said something about kajang rail station. I ask him ktm serdang but he keep mumbling kajang. Mind you he does only have like ten vocabularies. I already get b2b so i asked him to get off and book other car politely. Then he refused and begging me to take him. He called his friend, no answer. My blood's boiling already. He keeps begging and I say no, I told him I got another passenger. Later got connected to his friend then he passed it to me. I asked where, his friend said kajang. I asked where in kajang, his friend just repeat kajang. Wah fucking stupid, you think kajang is small like your brain?  I already raised my voice at this moment. B2B passenger already push me, asked me where I am. I asked him one last time to get off my car politely. Then he keeps begging and I can't take it no more. I snapped, i yelled and i ask him to get the fuck off.

I pity him. At 1 point i want to help him but we can't have proper conversation and that frustated me. If he can give me a name of definite drop off point, i might consider side deal (cause he doesn't have grab apps and apparently his friend booked for him). Damn i really need few days off.
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is it him who make the booking? or his friend?
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post Jan 29 2019, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(blueric94 @ Jan 29 2019, 01:45 PM)
You were saying TBB is a scam, So I'm saying TBB is better than previously non-HG scheme. If you come from HG, then you feel like it's a scam, if not, then TBB is better.
But my advice is, to calculate earn per hour is useless as it is subject to many factors, you starting location, your drop off location, time, demand, weather, day, your luck, etc. Driving on peak hour / hour vs non peak / hour is big diffrence. Driving 1.5 hours a day for 5 days vs driving 7.5 hours continuously is big difference also. Example , people said Bangi is a bad place to start, last week I got RM63 gross + Rm18.20 TBB from 5-7pm in Bangi~Kajang.  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif
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U must understand why crap launch TBB, is to transfer the risk partially to the driver side. When there is lack of demand in certain area and other factor, driver will feel the pain for sure.

If calculate per hour is useless factor, then pay u peanut salary with huge workload is justifiable? I'm driving 1.5 hrs and yet earning RM34. I can calculate in details for u. Last thursday also suffer the same thing like this because of cancellation issue.

6.20pm-7pm MP slot - RM0.60 x 40mins = RM24
7pm-7.50pm UP slot - RM0.55 x 50mins = RM27.50

Give them margin of error of about 5mins, i suppose to earn close to RM50 from this hours, compare to that RM34, isn't crap scam u RM15? Mind u all this are b2b job which i did not stop at all.

From your scenario:-
5pm UP slot - RM0.55 x 60 mins = RM33
6pm MP slot - RM0.60 x 60 mins = RM36

Total earning is RM69 which is close to the figure u get.
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post Jan 29 2019, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(bbcmyh @ Jan 29 2019, 05:13 PM)
every driver sure kena situation like this , mp block and jam area ping come in pax or driver cancel , another ping come in very near from previous ping and go to the same direction example to kl the bonus will have huge different , I got 0 from the 1st one RM 12.8 for the 2nd how the fuxk grab calculate ? Till now I still really not understand how this stupid system work lo
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if kena cancel then bad luck for u, u wasted the time driving there and waiting for next job. Every one or two week sure got one day suffer like this. U report also useless, they just don't freaking care about it.

Now the GS hardly can get matching, for this month all the grabshare job couldn't get match at all, from Bangsar to Selayang without single match, KL sentral to PJ Jaya One, KL sentral to Sentul. All no matching during peak hour, if continue like this how to survive for driver especially on AA, charity fare and little compensation from crap, worse still the reduce cashback from 25% to 15%.

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post Jan 30 2019, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Jan 29 2019, 11:14 PM)
Quick question guys,

If Im using GrabPay, do I have to pay toll by cash or the driver can charge me via app?
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Both way also can, better charge via app so that double charge incident won't happen
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post Jan 31 2019, 03:25 PM

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last day to drive before CNY leave
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post Jan 31 2019, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(OptimusStar @ Jan 31 2019, 10:33 PM)
Hi Guys,
Any cards you recommend to get discount on fuel pump ? Currently using CIMB Cash Back which can give me 2% rebate everyday on the petrol but dont seem to worth it. Last month used about 480 and only got 11 bucks rebate.
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currently using UOB one card for 5% rebate (weekend), intend to switch to Petronas Ikhwan for 8% rebate. U should go another forum to check credit card petrol rebates

QUOTE(d-realm @ Jan 31 2019, 11:21 PM)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sgphv/perma...33277937162687/

If 1 day u met this kind rider... ur career as e-hailing will be over sad.gif
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Accusing kidnap her and making chaos for police, driver and herself. Late to work at morning and avoid ERP. Good luck to her.
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post Feb 1 2019, 12:31 AM

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today cancelled 1 job, reach there rider don't want to answer call, message also didn't want to reply, 2 mins later msg me please wait for a while, i'm upstairs blablabla.

The moment she appear, i already cancelled her job and said sorry to her 5 mins is up. Her face turn green on the spot laugh.gif

Good lesson to her to respect driver's time, i do think just now at the rate of surging, could be very hard to get a ride.
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post Feb 1 2019, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(grab_insider @ Feb 1 2019, 05:32 PM)
GRAB'S PLAN FOR 2019 (continued)

2) Commission + additional fees per trip:

a) network fee
b) airport fee
c) service/booking fee
d) safety fee

Doesn't matter what they're called but the fees, they are a coming...

Uber started with safety fees - everybody grudgingly accepted why not since it enhances safety until drivers learnt 'safety' meant driver background checks. One lawsuit later Uber changed it to booking fee.

Uber's even charging some sort of climate change fee in London for clean energy research (*cough* self driving cars *cough*)

Total take home pay of Grab will be around 40% of fare...

PLAN 2 STATUS: Coming soon
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I can frankly tell u this plan will not work, cut some more will piss off drivers, plus gojek existence in Singapore already feel the heat.


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QUOTE(grab_insider @ Feb 1 2019, 05:32 PM)
Drivers will surely sour at the above but thats ok, high turnover is expected there will always be new drivers queueing outside grab offices. In fact collective driver behaviour has shown that there is a lot more that can be extracted from this group so long as its done incrementally.

The above plans are essential if Grab is to realise a profit before going for an IPO.
Grab's corporate overhead is high. The CEO,CFO,CTO, VPs and lawyers all need to be paid. A new 180 million dollar HQ. Funding research for autonomous vehicles - none of these can be sustained with 20-25% commission i mean really...
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Wow thank you for the insider info, actually they are milking as hard as possible to make it profitable and list it up.

It took them 7 mths to reach 3rd billion ride from 2 billion.
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QUOTE(grab_insider @ Feb 2 2019, 11:35 AM)
With all due respect, incrementalism dude. bit by bit.

By ministerial fiat comm is capped at 20% come July. The first step will be a baby step - just to recover the lost 5%. Then a few months for everyone to cool off and then...

Can any driver who has grabbed for many years tell me that he has made more in the 2nd/3rd year compared to the first year? Without putting in more hours ?

Can any driver who has grabbed last year tell me he earned more in the 2nd half of 2018 compared to the first half ? Without putting in more hours ?

If you made X dollars this year, next year you will make even less than X. You know that. Surely you know that.

People here, they want to see how far rates can be cut and still have drivers on the road. Never mind if its a grumbling driver. A grumbling driver is still a driver...

Yes, *you* won't put up with this but you don't speak for all drivers now do you ?
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QUOTE(grab_insider @ Feb 2 2019, 11:37 AM)
If the above post seems arrogant, sorry not my intention.
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Ugly truth indeed
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QUOTE(Grabtology @ Feb 9 2019, 09:35 AM)
After 21 days of driving in January, here is the result.

Period driven
January 1 to January 31

Gross Earning (according to Grab statement)
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM749.05
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM783.55
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM779.80
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM551.86
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM729.10

Total = RM3,593.36

Commission paid to Grab
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM140.40
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM148.80
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM145.65
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM106.20
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM140.20

Total = RM681.25

Petrol paid
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM145.71
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM94.92
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM86.49
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM96.86
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM166.37

Total = RM590.35

T&G top up
Dec 31 to Jan 6 =
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM100.00
Jan 14 to Jan 20 =
Jan 21 to Jan 27 =
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM150.00

Total = RM250.00

Misc
Car tint = RM200.00
Radio fix = RM60.00

Total RM 260.00

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Gross earning (RM3,593.36) - Costs (RM1,781.60) = RM1,811.76 (50.42%)

From there, deduct RM1k as emergency saving, then the rest are to spend on food

Not going to drive February at all because of planned vacation to Hanoi biggrin.gif so yeah, based on this, I think driving Grab full time is reasonable if you don't have loan commitments, isn't looking to get rich quick, and value flexibility of time.

I did achieve the main goal of driving Grab instead of full time employment, which is spending more quality time with wife. There are still some concerns about doing this for the next couple years, but we'll decide after Grab announce the PSV thing, as in how they will go about it

Currently the decision is resume driving Grab full time in March after done with vacation biggrin.gif
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Look at your figure per week, maybe driving about 35-45 hrs per week?

QUOTE(Grabtology @ Feb 9 2019, 06:21 PM)
One month and 400+ trips later, I’m beginning to understand why most Grab drivers are full of anger and always miserable

50% is because of bad decisions/situations prior to Grab life, so they choose Grab thinking it will solve their problem, but when Grab change incentive structure they feel conned

50% is because of extreme cheapskate and calculativeness. I understand no one likes to lose money, but to hold grudge just because passenger dont know how to set pickup pin properly, thats just silly

So the most relevant experience i want to share with potential new driver is, if you are not capable of patience and generosity, then you should stick to paid employment

Your reason to start driving Grab shouldnt be because of money. If money is the reason you want to drive Grab, you are better off earning part time money at mcd. At least ular a bit you still get paid per hour fixed
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This sentence sound so confusing rclxub.gif

So u telling me money is not the motivation for driver, then what it is?

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 10 2019, 03:41 PM)
Interesting Grab sending spy here in grab_insider and Grabtology.
Just like they planted Thomas Smith in the FB group.
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Thomas smith hantam people to quit and venture another sector, what he said driving grab is not the only option.
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QUOTE(Calvin871989 @ Feb 10 2019, 11:43 PM)
He should consider doing it as charity since money is not a reason we drive grab as what he claim or motivates us.

Every RM5 job for far pickup distance with no time booster just campak to that full time lembu. By then , he will bring out the inner angered lembu in him.

Anyway , I just view him as a newbie. Nothing more, nothing less.
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He want quality life, not lembu kind of life mah. that's why he drive about 40 hrs per week only. While lembu like me spend around 45 hrs on work and another 10 hrs on driving grab.


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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 11 2019, 10:38 AM)
Move on just like Bro Khai.
This is his wife commission. His punya no need to say.


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both of them better pay income tax, showing your income by social media is a bad move given by current government financial situation
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QUOTE(shyghost @ Feb 11 2019, 11:30 AM)
With great income comes great Lhdn officer... Hahaha...

Everybody like to use this Brokai as a success story, it really become stale already... Showing the 1% highest achievers to the rest 99% losers.... kinda remind me of... err... I dunno... MLM?
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U will be surprise that a lot of MLM top performer didn't pay single cent of tax, well i wish them good luck on 2nd half on this year, LHDN definitely going full force with the linkage of each government system into LHDN platform.

How many cars u got, property u got, when u travel oversea can be easily obtain after this.
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just finish compiled my 2018 earnings

Earnings 17k
petrol 5k
maintenance 2.8k
phone charges 1.2k
Toll 2.4k
Insurance & road tax 650
Others 300

about nett 4.5k, after the changes to TB i'm getting less motivated to drive. All this expenses included my personal usage too.

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