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post Apr 7 2019, 08:58 PM

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Thinking of getting a medical card for my mom. Her age is 50+. Was quoted for an ILP plan (with bare minimum life/TPD benefit) which costs around RM 400/month. The COI is lower than premiums of standalone plans (I have compared up to the age of 80) out there and benefits are also much better.

However, due to the nature of ILP, this would mean initial high costs. Being just 20+ now, obviously I do not want to commit so much because I have other commitments (car loans, PTPTN etc) as well. My mom, due to some previous mistakes, has almost no savings today.(which is another story but irrelevant here)

I have since thought of a brilliant idea. In ILP as long as we have sufficient units (account value) inside, the policy will not lapse. So, I can twist around and only pay for the bare minimum of ILP plan required to sustain the policy, which is the Basic Life COI+ Rider COI+Fund Management Fee+Direct Distribution Costs. In other words my accumulated cash value/surrender value will be almost zero every month. By doing this I can reduce the premium by RM 150/month.

Yes I know I will pay more in future but I can have better cash flow instead of throwing all into insurance.

Any possibility of going wrong with this method? Would my agent commission be affected and gets pissed off and don't want to serve me? dry.gif (I didn't actually told my agent frankly about this, because I afraid he will gets pissed off.)


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post Apr 8 2019, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 8 2019, 10:01 AM)
not wrong in what you've just said, if priority is to cover current risk with the limited budget, rather than exposed to financial sink hole when your mom is sick. Then taking the standalone will be more ideal.
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But standalone cost more even taking into account for life+fund mgmt fee+direct distribution costs. The difference continues up to age of 80. So from my point of view not worth to buy standalone. This is why I still want to purchase this ILP but to twist it and make the premium lower (make it like standalone). But I wonder this method has any flaws in it.
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post Apr 8 2019, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Apr 8 2019, 11:02 AM)
If you really want to go with this strategy you have to check how the insurance company you're applying with recognises a premium payment.

For example:

COI : RM100
Premium: RM150

If you have rm100 that month, would the company keep your money in a suspend account until the rm50 is deposited or they would recognise the RM100 upfront hence helping to clear the COI.

During the first 2 years your cash value would be relatively low so if you want to use this method you're in quite a risky place for the policy to lapse. Once a policy lapse you are required to pay all the premium owed and also start the waiting period all over again.

As to how it will affect your agent, definitely his commission will be affected and also his persistency but assuming your case value is less than 1% of his total sale then it shouldn't be a problem at all.

Just remembered. DO NOT LAPSE your policy.

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I see. Will try to check that out. Thanks.

Yes for 1st 2 yrs, because only 40% of the 1st RM 100 of monthly premium is allocated, so I know the cash value will be lower. I have already take into account of that issue, still it would be around RM 150 cheaper.
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post Apr 8 2019, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 8 2019, 12:48 PM)
Might as well straight away go to standalone.

Please be reminded those investment portion that goes to unit trust, a 3-5% sales charges and 0.5~1.5% annual management may incur in the first place. And various tnc to protect insurance company interest.

Don't be penny wise and pound foolish, and try to "win" against the insurance company.

Insurance company hire top actuarial science people and powerful computer algorithms to compute those possibilities and various scenario already before deciding their premium.
So I don't think it is worth the effort to find loopholes against computer algorithms.  biggrin.gif
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Well, but standalone cost more even taking into account for life+fund mgmt fee+direct distribution costs. The difference continues up to age of 80. So from my point of view not worth to buy standalone. This is why I still want to purchase this ILP but to twist it and make the premium lower (make it like standalone).

Fund management fee I already take into account by inflating around 5% which is well over the fund management fee stated in the sales illustration. For the sales charges, thanks for reminding me. I will check it out. But shouldn't be too much as Unit Trust out there charges also like 5%. Which would be like an additional of RM 10? I guess?



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