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beyinbe
post Aug 19 2019, 05:31 PM

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Hi. I'm on Allianz power link. I've been asking my agent about procedures for endoscopy so he told me it's claimable if there's diagnosis and required for further treatment. So I asked if I got admitted will the fees be covered and he said most likely.

Today I went to do the scope procedures, only to be told that I'm getting "non guarantee" status and that I'll have to pay myself.
This is because my procedure is investigative in nature, unless it's followed by surgery I won't be able to claim. The agent did ask me to submit all bills to try for claims.

What are the chances of me actually getting reimbursed in this case? Already paid for everything and now I'm broke

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beyinbe
post Aug 19 2019, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Aug 19 2019, 09:40 PM)
Are you admitted? Anyway at least you try to submit your claims. Though chances of claiming is low, but at least you tried.
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Yeah I was admitted for 8 hours, just disappointed that my agent couldn't tell me clearly that scopes weren't covered
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post Aug 20 2019, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Aug 19 2019, 11:42 PM)
If you have any feedback in regards to your experience with Allianz and its agents you can provide your feedback here:

https://www.allianz.com.my/talk-to-us

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Jiansheng
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Thanks for the link, I'm also looking into the possibility if I should change my agent but not sure how to go around it

QUOTE(MGM @ Aug 20 2019, 12:05 AM)
IIRC i u could be charged at a higher rate if hospital thought that u r claiming insurance.
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Feels that way, it's my first time claiming insurance so I'm pretty lost, the total bill was 3.5k

QUOTE(ckdenion @ Aug 20 2019, 12:10 AM)
to be frank, sometimes there's cases to me that im not so certain as well. the best i can do is at least i don't conclude myself that it cannot be claimed without even trying submitting. anyway, hope to hear from your good news.
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Yeah I will still try to submit, just that if I knew that it wasn't gonna be claimable I could look for cheaper places
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post Aug 20 2019, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Aug 20 2019, 11:20 AM)
If rm3500 Includes both gastroscopy n colonscopy, then I think it is reasonable.
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No colonscopy, just gastroscopy and some blood test/ultrasound/urine test. But that total included admission, doctor charges and meds all la
beyinbe
post Aug 20 2019, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Aug 20 2019, 11:22 AM)
hmm.gif try calling up Allianz to sort it out
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QUOTE(Holocene @ Aug 20 2019, 11:26 AM)
Walk in to customer service and inform them of your wishes and they will advise you accordingly.

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Thanks, think I'll submit first and see how things go
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post Aug 20 2019, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Aug 20 2019, 11:49 AM)
I'm still quite surprised that you did all the test above during hospitalization and they mention its not covered under the GL?

hmm.gif probably can you show us a copy of the Allianz policy on what is covered during hospitalization ?
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1) Went to specialist with referral letter from clinic, ask to do scope
2) Admitted around 9:30AM, my operation (endoscropy) is scheduled at 1PM
3) Nurse asked if I want to do blood test/ultrasound first even though my insurance haven't give approval yet
4) Checked with agent, he said once admitted, blood test/ultrasound are covered - so I proceed
5) Around 12PM, staff told me insurance only give "Non Guarantee" status and that I have to pay myself first. So I contacted my agent and he checked with Allianz. Apparently scope is considered "investigative nature", I can only claim if I'm getting surgery later. I also won't be able to claim if there's nothing found during the procedure.
6) The staff did ask if I still want to proceed, which I did because I was already changed into hospital gown and already came this far (been suffering since May, just want to get it over with).

So yes in a way the agent did inform me that it's not claimable if no surgery, but I still think it's a bit too late.
Then again, gastric problems are most likely healed thru meds/probiotics so anyhow I won't get to claim too even if something was found during the scope, since no surgeries will be involved?

I attach screenshot from the policy what I think is related to my case

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beyinbe
post Aug 20 2019, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Aug 20 2019, 01:03 PM)
From the looks of it, it seems your agent have done a good job informing you on the matter and you've still proceeded with the scope and no surgery was done thereafter. I think it's fair to the insurance company to reject the claim since it's investigative in nature.

Furthermore, it's always important to make sure GL is approved prior to admission otherwise you're very much on your own knowing that the insurance company is not honoring any claim since they didn't give the green light.
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Yeah I'm aware of the risk I took, but my question is more on why not inform me earlier?
I actually checked with him a few times before I decided to do the scope, never once did he mention about investigative procedures are not claimable if no surgeries involved.

But yes I'll consider this a lesson learnt sad.gif
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post Aug 20 2019, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 20 2019, 01:22 PM)
if you are free, can check with your agent, if the next time you wanted to buy a new insurance plan....will they exclude that part of the body or put loading in it?

I did admission then do both gastroscopy n colonscopy without any surgery,...the condition of admission just faded away....
(discharging blood,...from bowel,....after that investigation, they found nothing abnormal)

claimed all the medical expenses....but years later whenever I wanted to buy new insurance plan,...they will excludes everything "sort of" related to intestines and parts in it
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Sorry what's loading? Like additional premium for that part of body?
Buying new insurance plan from any company or the same company?
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post Aug 20 2019, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 20 2019, 01:33 PM)
loading means additional cost if they wanted that parts to be insured ...they have the final says to excludes, loads or normal.

that existing insurance company and others too, when I need to declare past admission histories to them
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Thanks for the explanation! Will keep that in mind, hope your condition is okay now
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post Aug 22 2019, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Aug 22 2019, 02:18 AM)
1. What was the symptom that you were having that the clinic Dr refer you to see a specialist?

2. How long ago did you took up the medical insurance?

For your info, scope is not considered as "investigative nature" as you can't do scope at home. It has to be done at a hospital.

Furthermore, it is not necessary that a surgery is done after the scope. At times, just the medication is sufficient to settle the issue, eg gastritis.
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1) The clinic doctor wrote gastritis in the referral letter
2) I signed up last year mid Sept

Ah I see, my scope diagnosis was non-ulcer dyspepsia and doctor gave me some medicines, next appointment in 2 weeks
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post Feb 13 2020, 05:34 PM

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hi guys, want to ask if having gastric before i signed up for my policy is considered pre-existing condition? insurance company wants to add loading for my policy and exclude anything to do with gastritis. thanks
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post Feb 14 2020, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 13 2020, 05:44 PM)
I remembered a friend of mine had exclusion on that and any things that are related to/at that organ(s) too.
his agent told him that if the policy had been held for more than 10 years without reoccurrence of that illness, then he can ask for "waiver" to the exclusion which would be subjected to the insurance company...... sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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ouch, hope your friend is doing ok

QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 13 2020, 06:01 PM)
Yes they will have the right to impose loading or exclude treatment since it's pre existing
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ok thanks
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post Feb 17 2020, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Feb 16 2020, 04:44 PM)
hi beyinbe, yea it is considered as pre-existing. so have to disclose whenever apply new policy.
thanks, wanna ask one more thing, for pre-existing condition, my understanding is that it's either 1) exclude compensation for said condition, or 2) loading to cover said condition

it won't be both exclude + loading? coz their letter states loading + exclusion

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