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post Dec 17 2018, 09:01 AM

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Change password problem solved?
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post Dec 17 2018, 09:04 AM

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now they extended the password char limit


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post Dec 17 2018, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Dec 17 2018, 09:04 AM)
Unfortunately, might not.
If hacker already snapshot your account info especially credit card/debit card number.
They can link your card number to paypal and take money from there.

Read more especially screenshot from people @ https://www.soyacincau.com/2018/12/17/was-c...-clicks-hacked/
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I dont even keep the cimb debit card for n years, lost it and dont give a fuck since then

Have to check whether it is still active or not

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post Dec 17 2018, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(zeese @ Dec 17 2018, 09:22 AM)
i had been hating cimb for a long time because they forced user to limit password for 8 chars..  After so many years since the existence of online banking, they made that changes only recently...
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Yes this is the most sohai online banking ever

Even cinapek PBB do it better
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post Dec 17 2018, 09:29 AM

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Virtual 2FA is a nightmare for IT noobs
Unless they learned from SG which is to give out physical token device to everyone
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post Dec 17 2018, 10:03 AM

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How does one get to link CC/Debit card to Paypal without trigerring TAC prompt?

Furthermore there is CVV number that need to be key in
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post Dec 17 2018, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Kerplunk @ Dec 17 2018, 10:06 AM)
Read someone posted that those TAC protocols aren't that secure and easily bypassed.
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That means they have the TAC generation algorithm


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post Dec 17 2018, 10:10 AM

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Ayam just called remisier to on hold remitting the sales proceed into cimb today
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post Dec 17 2018, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(christ14 @ Dec 17 2018, 10:17 AM)
damn... cant even transfer all my moolah to maybank now.... dont dare login cek my account now hahaha
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Go to branch and buy the bank draft
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post Dec 17 2018, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Mummy Shark @ Dec 17 2018, 10:51 AM)
paypal mana support TAC bang.

tak percaya?

give me your card number.
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then actually it is 2 separate issues

one is their obsolete password policy and implementation

second is someone managed to stole lots of card numbers and link them to paypal

these 2 incidents could be related though
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post Dec 17 2018, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Mummy Shark @ Dec 17 2018, 11:01 AM)
I can't remember if it even ask for the CVV digit.

but as already demonstrated by the criminals, CVV or not, ....
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ada dia ada tanya CVV
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post Dec 17 2018, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(more2teayap @ Dec 17 2018, 11:16 AM)
after verified you will have a higher spending limit. I still can use my card without verification in paypal.
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even without verification, the limit is enough for you to buy few games in PSN Store
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post Dec 17 2018, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Mummy Shark @ Dec 17 2018, 11:24 AM)
the one that didn't support transaction validation (malaysians call it TAC via mobile number) is paypal.

even if CIMB is to be faulted for "releasing" card numbers to criminals, Paypal as platform provider is also guilty for not supporting mastercard and visa initiative to validate transactions.

this cannot happen if paypal implements support for transaction validation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-D_Secure
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i think google, spotify, netflix etc doesn't ask for TAC either

its just not the angmoh culture, also due to the cc fraud is lower in the western world
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post Dec 17 2018, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Rhetoric @ Dec 17 2018, 11:34 AM)
also like the guy above said, alipay also didnt ask for TAC. i bought alot of stuff from taobao never once ask for TAC.
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eh got lah
or maybe that time i use Alipay -> Molpay -> FPX, where Molpay acting as collecting agent



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post Dec 17 2018, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(kraka @ Dec 17 2018, 11:44 AM)
this is just not some paypal or hack issue...its an internal security flaw.... In CIMB there is a 2nd page after entering your username, where you need to confirm a "secureword" before you can proceed to the password page. I entered my email id once by mistake and i got logged into some other guy's secureword page.. So i just closed the site.

So lets not just blame someone outside. the security systems were rotten to start with, even a small kid could hack into their websites
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this is not surprising
some people tend to use their full name as per ic as userid

now you can try input your friends name into it
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post Dec 17 2018, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(OldSchoolJoke @ Dec 17 2018, 01:01 PM)
if i read correctly,

if password following the new format (have special characters and more or equal to 8 characters) then password will be as it is

else if old password format (8 characters), it will only take first 8 characters. any characters behind don't care..kena chopped
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dun understand

if password more >= 8 char, then the first condition wont satisfy

if password is <8 char, then it only check up to 8th character

no conflicts what
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post Dec 17 2018, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(OldSchoolJoke @ Dec 17 2018, 02:37 PM)
if got special characters and >= 8 characters, it will pass to server as it is
else it will chop off after 8 characters.

topkek betul. that's why your password + any characters behind still can pass
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oh fuck

really fucked up sweat.gif
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post Dec 17 2018, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(axn992 @ Dec 17 2018, 02:55 PM)
Or backend should reject passwords <8 with no special chars. Only except password length of 8 or more with special chars. They can force all users to change it and they can delete legacy code.
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or another way, just implement the cut off date to mandate all users to change into new password format lah

via SMS, email, site take over

after the deadline, user will have to change their password

apa susah, its just the user password and not the legacy Account No.

its CIMB that wish to skim on the budgets to spread the news around

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post Dec 17 2018, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(OldSchoolJoke @ Dec 17 2018, 03:06 PM)
its not about conflict, it about the .substring(0, 8) part.

means if it doesn't satisfy the first condition, it will only take the first 8 characters of the password

e.g:

your password is 123456789
since it doesn't satisfy the first condition, it will take first 8 characters which is 12345678

logically, 123456789 is not the same as 12345678. even if you plainly compare it is not the same.
so those who want to attack the site, just need to guess for 8 characters which lessen the time to guess a correct password

what they should do (IMO) is just send the password to server as it is instead of plainly showing to the world the checking.
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i noticed the && logic in the IF statement

then i understand dy notworthy.gif
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post Dec 17 2018, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(Mummy Shark @ Dec 17 2018, 03:13 PM)
that's why I said direct your anger to the correct parties in this thread, not elsewhere.
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what is there to blame paypal?

in US there is no mandated rule to use TAC

paypal did not violate any rules set by US authorities

neither do Visa/Master association themselves do mandate the use of TAC, TAC is just enforced by BNM as an additional gatekeeper to protect CC transaction that's it

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