I heard there is a long waiting period ? How long ? Is it first come first served basis or does it depend on GPA ?
I have a relative who will be graduating with an estimated 3.00 to 3.25 GPA , is that good enough for a placement / job ?

>a relative

Yes. I hated Biology since form 5. I took physics for STPM, so no chance I could get into anything biology related

guardian watson salary 8k+ basic and incentives can be up to 5k+ if you have good sales.

govt department: forget it, they are overstaffed now, even freshgrads cannot get placement to do their houseman

That kind of cgpa... No wonder always give wrong medicine or wrong dose or call and ask what medicine I wrote each time write PS. Diu

Actually that is one of my questions as well - what does a pharmacist actually do ?
When I go to the doctor, the doctor assesses my conditions , the other medicines I am taking and various other factors before writing me my prescription - are pharmacists involved in this ? Like do doctors consult them ?
After my prescription is written they basically just take the medicine and sell it to em right ?

on the contrary, cgpa means nothing in the field of medicine. Higher cgpa can sometimes mean you only know theory, not practical.

Go ask any top doctors in malaysia what is their cgpa. You'll be surprised

there are essentially two types of pharmacist: clinical practicing and drug research. those who grad from usm, they are the experts in drug research. Only those who grad from um are the clinician experts.

But from here onwards, the board of pharmacists decided to close down um because they're training clinician experts, which is not what BPM wants. So expect to see even worse clinician pharmacists in the future

But maybe pharmacy is harder so they tolerate a lower GPA ?

This post has been edited by ayambijan: Dec 14 2018, 11:16 PM

most doctors do not know prescription. but this is the (wrong) practice in malaysia where doctors prescribe. If you get experienced doctors, then lucky you. If not, prepare for medical complications

Your ultimate job is running your own pharmacy. Win.

These comments are going to trigger so many pharmacist out there. They are very pantang to hear this kind of things

Of course doctors know how to prescribe la. Doctor prescribe, pharmacist dispense. Pharmacist check if there is any bad interaction between drugs prescribed by doctor before dispense out to patient. Check for possible side effect toward certain groups of patient. They are like last line of defense between patient and bad doctor.

Doctors are supposed to check that right ? They are just double checking / second opinion ? If they think it's not OK how ? They call the doctor and argue with him ?

That is totally WRONG. Pharmacist prescribe. Doctors check for side effects. Malaysian medical system still stuck at this level because of WRONG practices.

that's not prescription la bodo.

that's just a list of your illness and suggested medicines.

your pharmacist will prescribe the correct medicine with the correct dosage according to your medical profile and history.

now a lot of pharmacists out of job....contract habis, all kena tendang out from government hospital....open secret.
one of the reason of such dramatic cut down is...why keep 10 pharmacists ,if 2-3 person is enough for dispensing medication.
now supply>demands.
if you graduate 3 years ago than you are in luck.... that time demand>supply. Minimum rm5k salary.....now ...if ask too much or increments,there is many in line to take over your job.

pharmacist dont prescribe,

docs prescribe,

pharmacist check whatever prescribe by doctor is safe for the patient, sometimes dr make unintentional mistakes,

sometimes dr ask advise from pharmacist in medication theyre not familiar with.

Huh ? Really ?
Even in the US , pharma ads say "ask your doctor" , and pharma reps lobby doctors, I have never heard "ask your pharmacist" before

I am fervently hoping you are NOT a pharmacist.....lol

What are you talking about?

Doctors prescribe, pharmacists dispense.

Looks like you got your terminologies all mixed up.

Hence I am praying fervently he is not a pharmacist....lol

that's the right way actually.
doctor detect the problem and give prescriptions.
than customer need to go pharmacy with the prescription and buy the med .(this is done by pharmacists as dispenser)
...

but in Malaysia ........things are way different.
doctor can prescribe and dispense medications.
pharmacy also dispense medications.

and there is reason why doctor can dispense medication is because lack of pharmacists during olden days thus government allow doctor to sell meds to cover the shortfall of pharmacists.
but now supply more than demands on pharmacists......should revert back to the original plan.
government did suggest previously to revert back to the original plan...but doctor union boikot boikot.....so things remain unchanged.

Doctors make mistake also. Or some might not have latest update in certain meds. Apparently, at hospital, the pharmacist will discuss with doctor if they think something is not right. According to my pharmacist friends la.

Semua nak jaga periuk nasi sendiri maa and if I'm not mistaken, Malaysia is the only country not practising dispensing separation around SEA.

Someone who doesn’t know stuff going around telling people are wrong.

My sis said, pharmacists can "recommend" only, no power to change. Mostly doc no kiasu, always accept one, if expert one, bigger head, lantak lah.

Haha, seee outside pharmacy nowadays like kedai roncet sumore. How they can still profit is mindboggling lah.

When I was in NZ, the arguments I heard for and against chemist (not pharmacists) prescriptions were not entirely in the interest of the patients.

When you are sick, you go to the doctor, get a prescription. AND THEN you have go to the nearest chemist to get the prescription. Assuming you know where the chemist is.

When you are sick and you don't know the area, it is very very helpful to get your medication from the doctor on the spot in the clinic. AND NOT HAVE to go to the chemist.

Hey, last time I went to private GP one, wait 15 minutes, see 1 minute, don't even check my gatal, straightaway gimme cream, even gimme oral antifungal, like wtf I gatal celah jari only, not celah ko**k. Even cream oso doesn't work. Went to see doc gomen, say allergy saja. Wasted 60 bucks, I spit GP everytime see one. Ass***.

Will you bising if the doctor give prescription but charge you the script?

The reason they sell a lot more expensive compared to pharmacy is because they have to add in their professional knowledge to precribe the med ma.

In angmoh countries everyone ok with that charge. So doctor pun ok because income still same.

Another problem is will you say “ini doctor bodoh, orang tengah sakit, Dia suruh pigi sini sana beli ubat, Terus bagi jeh la”

If big head and something went wrong with the patient after the med. then GG the doc. Haha

Haha, maybe pharmacist oso kena cuz, if know wrong why still give lol. But license can protect la I think. Hassle tho.

The separation is actually good de. If not separate, you sakit A but the doc sell you a bunch meds for sakit A B C plus some vitamins to maximize his profit. Or only choose to use the brand of med that gives good commission but not necessary the best for patient.

I think the best way forward is to allow patients to choose
But mandate that "consultation fees " must include prescription writing fees
i.e. cannot have additional surcharge for writing a prescription

Yeah I know they don’t sell med. but I think they have a separate prescription fee? (Not very sure, never sick during my years in syd)

What I am sure is the vet will charge prescription fee if they need to write script for their patients. (Vet clinics are allowed to sell meds)

There are pros and cons.

As I said, when you are sick, you don't want to go around town to find the chemist.

But you are on dangerous grounds here, implying doctors prescribes medicine that gives good commissions. You have no evidence, and I don't agree with you.

The doctor's board is still more powerful than the pharmacist's board. So doctors have the bigger say at the moment. But it doesn't matter because drugs have pathetic margins these days thanks to A, B & C Pharmacy & the collapse of Oratis. Few more chains will follow suit soon.

Now, while the doctors are busying invading pharmacist's role, the pharmacist are invading nutritionist's role instead. Since drugs are no longer profitable.....supplements, vitamins etc etc on the other hand are still profitable & people buy those more regularly than medications.

1.any minor sick...can straight refer chemist (pharmacist also study similar to doctor which uphold a professional standards )..... BTW finding a nearby pharmacy now is easy (google,waze..etc etc) no mater where.

lets just be honest here,if the margin is not good...why they keep insisting on protect protect mode instead of giving back the prescribed medicines job to pharmacists (which is their main role is design for). Prescribed med is certainly a sizeable good side income for them...ever wonder why like other forumer said that doctor (like those in clinics) like to give A+B+C+D...instead of A+B which is the main medication for your sickness....its all about profit,the more you sell ,the more you gain. Patient don't care what med you sold to them as long as they recover fast (true facts).

One question....why do you need two different professions doing a same job ... If going by that theory ....we should closed down all pharmacy and just leave the prescribed medicine rights to doctors only...as they know best.

This post has been edited by TRAZE99: Dec 15 2018, 02:29 AM

Yes. Plenty of work. Once your get your license you can goyang kaki goyang telur. People will buy or rent you for their pharmacy expansion

Job market in ice lab is berry berry gooding

Pharmacy is a dead business and industry. My friend is a pharmacy boss. Last time used to be very lansi and keep expanding. House garage got vellfire, bm and merc. Nowadays toned down a lot. Business competition got the better of him. Now he is focusing on cutting cost. He used to pay his dispenser more than rm9k per month excluding bonus and keep complaining he had to pay 3-4 months bonus to keep his dispensers. Recently he shared he is looking for young people willing to work for 4-5k per month. Pity the old dispensers waiting to kena chop soon.

WRONG

Doctors diagnose, pharmacists prescribe

Whoever has good enough grade and is good looking female with nice smile will get the job. Pharmacest is a service job these days

Pharmicist is high pay job everywhere , they are top 10% salary range for grads

The pharmicist degree very expensive to study in nz, thats why also high pay

Your insurnace no deductible? I remember my insurance pay up to 75% cost

Everyone else disagrees with you.

everyone? ask board of pharmacist first

If you study and become a pharmacist, and then you become a glorified salesman, I pity you.

Pharmacists have unique skillsets that bridge clinical and pharmaceutical, so they should be able to survive in clinical, research and manufacturing settings.

If you decide to spend the rest of your career behind a Watson’s counter, then gg.

https://www.nst.com.my/news/2015/09/pharmacist-vs-doctor-who-prescribes



Note the word "dispensing"? That's what pharmacists do - DISPENSE - not PRESCRIBE.

Anyway, in Malaysia, people get their medicines from the doctors' clinic. No pharmacist involvement.

In NZ, doctor writes down what the medicine should be (prescribe), and you go to the pharmacist chemist so the chemist can dispense your medication.

No need to ask any board of whatever...

This post has been edited by howszat: Dec 15 2018, 11:20 PM

But thats where the money is rite.

Lots of money used to be there. Maybe even now. But the trend is decreasing, so better future-proof career now.

If not then later come into /k crying because kena VSS or demo in front of ministry. Such are stupid actions.

Don’t be stupid.

I really hope you're not a Doctor or a pharmacist. Doctors diagnose AND prescribe. In Malaysia, they dispense too. In countries i.e UK, doctors prescribe while pharmacists dispense. SOME pharmacists in the UK can prescribe only after obtaining further qualifications to become Independent Prescribers. But generally, they do not prescribe.

Prescription is a doctor job. Pharmacist job is to double check and dispense.

No wonder so many pharmacist act like a doctor in Malaysia, checking blood sugar and blood pressure and start prescribing medicine for customers. Sell antibiotics and painkillers without prescriptions.

Ask hospital change to EMR system la. PS computer never go through so dependant on pharmacists only.
But respect to pharmacists also, the good ones.

U r wrong. The power of prescription lies primarily in doctors hand.
However as MPS mentioned and has been fighting for years they said pharmacists should have power to prescribe some class C meds.
On fact for years they wanted a system like some countries where GP solely prescribe and then patients go to pharmacists to be dispensed , of course this results in income loss in GPs.
Anyway where do u get above info that doctors only diagnose.

Actually for diagnosing of new dm n hpt shall be under primary healthcare drs with firstline started as per CPGs then continuation maybe if pharmacists really want can cont till next TCA

Have you considered that your handwriting is shite?

High cgpa =/= good performing employee

its 2018 and people still think what pharmacists do is sell drugs at retail pharmacy.. topkek

read it up
https://sciencecareer.asia/career-in-pharmacy/

I got few friend work pharmacist like kaya raya all drive luxury bmw mercedes n Peugeot

Good prospects, but not in Malaysia where Doctors can dispense medicine

The role of Pharmacist here is limited hence salary upside also limited

If u r talking bout government , no, the pay probably enough for at most altis. If private that opens up a big can, depending on where u work.
Same as doctors, on government really just above poverty line with housemen starting at sub 5k till specialists with 54 56 n gred khas averaging 20k roughly inclusive, so the most can afford altis only.
Whereas when these surgeons n such go to private, on average x10

my friend one work with caring pharmacy alrdy bought a condo 600k last time recently he just bought a peugeot 5008 160k like tat

I know caring pharmacy pay also. By right it's comfortable pay but not super high that u r plucking money. For purchases above still can if he is taking loan.

the real money lies beneath opening ur own pharmacy
not working for others as retail pharmacist. theres a max salary cap for retail pharmacist and usually it doesnt exceed 10k

It has good starting pay but it reaches a relatively Low ceiling fast in Malaysia, like the others say, probably 10k max

last time my friend did open a branch in cosway pharmacist fr few month cannot tahan too tiring cause need to work like 10am-10pm everyday like no rest day sometime ask their to help too . after tat he work in caring pharmacy until now but their working schedule in pharmacy line is like u work four day rest 3 days sat sun need to work like alternate if not mistaken

Dupe bodo come spew bullshit in /k.

Balik kandang kau dupe bodo.