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post Dec 13 2018, 10:18 AM, updated 2w ago

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So who correct now, Anthony Loke or Singapork MoT?

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/expla..._13122018_today

Basically SG said that all along:
- Flight path doesn't affect any existing structure also, and
- Malaysia bagi tau je whenever got plans to build higher structures then SG will adjust the flight path accordingly.

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What the video says: Structures 3km away from Seletar Airport cannot be built higher than 54m, while structures 6km away from Seletar cannot be built more than 145m. A mobile crane at 103m will breach the height limits and there are also other tall buildings in Johor.

What the facts are: The safety height buffer at the 3km mark is 93.8m, and at the 6km mark, it is 198.1m. This means the height of structures cannot exceed those figures.

Right now, the tallest structure in Pasir Gudang is 105m tall and is located 3.6km from Seletar Airport. So, it falls under the 198.1m height restriction. These height restrictions can be further adjusted if required .

Additional points:
- Edge of pasir gudang is 2.5km from edge of runway, which implies safety height buffer of 78.1m.
- Current ILS glide slope is 3.5deg. In comparison, London City Airport glide slope is 5.5deg.
- If Singapork increase glide slope to 5.5deg then height buffer is 123.0m @ 2.5km, 148.1m @ 3km, and 296.3m @ 6km
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Wait, even if height doesnt matter, the air space still under ours? Or theirs?
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Time to build a new twin towers at Johor. No need to be as tall as Petronas Twin towers. Just 1/2 of the heights will be enough.
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QUOTE(viole @ Dec 13 2018, 10:20 AM)
Wait, even if height doesnt matter, the air space still under ours? Or theirs?
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so its true la stupid sg must be ex malaysian
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QUOTE(oucheev @ Dec 13 2018, 10:21 AM)
Time to build a new twin towers at Johor. No need to be as tall as Petronas Twin towers. Just 1/2 of the heights will be enough.
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put toll in the air..
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post Dec 13 2018, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:18 AM)
So who correct now, Anthony Loke or Singapork MoT?
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As i said before, that infographic video fact is incorrect. Easily kena pawn by SMRT feedback page.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:18 AM)

- If Singapork increase glide slope to 5.5deg then height buffer is 123.0m @ 2.5km, 148.1m @ 3km, and 296.3m @ 6km
If Singapork adjust angle of approach to over Singapork even better right?
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sukak2 guna our airspace then kbkb when we dont allow

limpeh suppork fat loke to protect our airspace
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post Dec 13 2018, 10:25 AM

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spore can fucuk tehmselves
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QUOTE(oucheev @ Dec 13 2018, 10:21 AM)
Time to build a new twin towers at Johor. No need to be as tall as Petronas Twin towers. Just 1/2 of the heights will be enough.
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no, we need something to challenge the burj khalifa
maybe twin burj khalifa
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Still using malaysia airspace. Dont gibap our MOT
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Diam7 la singapork. It clear the height buffer now doesnt mean ur plane wont kamikaze into our new minimum 88 syoreyz klcc no 10 if we build it there. Can they clear a 100 storey height bulding at the end of the banks?

Pakai la otak cikit. Thought singapork clevee but they sohai also cannot think ahead.

True storeyz.
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post Dec 13 2018, 10:27 AM

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my only question is why dont they use their own airspace
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The article clearly explained that Malaysia will need to do everything if anything arises - Singapore tells Malaysia what to do with their own airspace?

Like what, Singapore uses Johor airspace still have the audacity to tell Malaysia what to do.
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QUOTE(viole @ Dec 13 2018, 10:20 AM)
Wait, even if height doesnt matter, the air space still under ours? Or theirs?
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Ours.

U try fly a russian jet above US without permission see how...
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post Dec 13 2018, 10:28 AM

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Malaysia bagi tau je whenever got plans to build higher structures then SG will adjust the flight path accordingly.

Big no no no no nooooooooooooo for sinkie style
i Dont recall ANY mercy time given by them plus we are not angmoh.

go fly kite pls

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Nah. No deal. Use their own airspace.
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Quickly build the tallest tower in pasir gudang for the Lel.
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QUOTE(viole @ Dec 13 2018, 10:20 AM)
Wait, even if height doesnt matter, the air space still under ours? Or theirs?
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Air space sovereignty is ours, air traffic control delegated to them, but can take back anytime, so long it do not disturb air traffic control in the area. I believe Malaysia is raising the latter, Singkieland trying to shift focus to landing. All started because Malaysia want flight path from Malaysia to land from the south, but Singkieland refused. So Malaysia is considering taking back air traffic control over Southern Malaysia from Singkieland, I believe it is the latter are corresponded this year between Loke and Singkieland transport minister. Which Singkieland bola kecut and say better keep confidential, so negotiation can go on.

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Why not they adjust themselves now and avoid any conflict later on ?

Trying to be taikor of region
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In Anthony loke we trust. Nowadays Singapore is too much
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:18 AM)
So who correct now, Anthony Loke or Singapork MoT?

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/expla..._13122018_today

Basically SG said that all along:
- Flight path doesn't affect any existing structure also, and
- Malaysia bagi tau je whenever got plans to build higher structures then SG will adjust the flight path accordingly.
Additional points:
- Edge of pasir gudang is 2.5km from edge of runway, which implies safety height buffer of 78.1m.
- Current ILS glide slope is 3.5deg. In comparison, London City Airport glide slope is 5.5deg.
- If Singapork increase glide slope to 5.5deg then height buffer is 123.0m @ 2.5km, 148.1m @ 3km, and 296.3m @ 6km
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i dont care... if they want to serve their airport, better use their own aerospace rolleyes.gif


they can easily scan our area pretending to be commercial planes whistling.gif
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post Dec 13 2018, 10:32 AM

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Just place hundreds of tower cranes at Pasir Gudang.
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post Dec 13 2018, 10:32 AM

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Summary -

Malaysia wants Singapore to pay more for water.
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post Dec 13 2018, 10:32 AM

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Approach from Ang Mo Kio la bodo singapork! We will gip you partial clearance for departure to fly over Pasir Gudang but airplane must make sharp ascent or turn smile.gif
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post Dec 13 2018, 10:32 AM

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It doesn't matter. We don't want them to fly through our airspace freely and taking control of it until forever..
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Dec 13 2018, 10:29 AM)
Quickly build the tallest tower in pasir gudang for the Lel.
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QUOTE(TunaFish1990 @ Dec 13 2018, 10:27 AM)
organize drone event at the highest tower nearby aje

make it a weekly event... nod.gif
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QUOTE(oucheev @ Dec 13 2018, 10:21 AM)
Time to build a new twin towers at Johor. No need to be as tall as Petronas Twin towers. Just 1/2 of the heights will be enough.
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Just can simply announce we are planning to build a sky city near pasir gudang
cakap jer right ?

Like plotong can tease us so long for the stupid boyeu

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I spotted an inaccuracy in the article.

height limits are given at 3 km and 6 km.

At 3.6 km, they are using the height limit of 198.1 m (at 6 km)

Using a straight line equation, at 3.6 km, the height limit is 114.65 m. While the tallest building that is at the 3.6 km mark is 105m.

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QUOTE(viole @ Dec 13 2018, 10:20 AM)
Wait, even if height doesnt matter, the air space still under ours? Or theirs?

Our airspace but we outsourced to SG ATC to manage, which is not unusual around the world.

Basically ICAO divides the world into many FIRs (Flight Information Region), and each FIR is managed by only one country's ATC even if that FIR covers multiple countries.

As one example, Qatari airspace falls in the Bahrain FIR.
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QUOTE(AyamBlend @ Dec 13 2018, 10:33 AM)
Just can simply announce we are planning to build a sky city near pasir gudang
cakap jer right ?

Like plotong can tease us so long for the stupid boyeu
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Too expensive. Easier to allocate that area as military operation area then put multiple SAM site there.
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QUOTE(Aparaa @ Dec 13 2018, 10:32 AM)
It doesn't matter. We don't want them to fly through our airspace freely and taking control of it until forever..
You do know that "them" (for commercial traffic) is actually only our FireFly's turboprop planes, right?

And you do know that hundreds of flights between Changi and Europe fly over peninsula Malaysia, right?

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what do you expect from a country that makes noise about the crooked/curved bridge on OUR side?
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QUOTE(AyamBlend @ Dec 13 2018, 10:28 AM)
Malaysia bagi tau je whenever got plans to build higher structures then SG will adjust the flight path accordingly.

Big no no no no nooooooooooooo for sinkie style
i Dont recall ANY mercy time given by them plus we are not angmoh.

go fly kite pls
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Water deal is a history should be taught to all Malaysians, leaders and ministers, keep reminding them as text book example on Singkieland underhand tactic with the water deal.

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just put Surface to Air Missile (SAM) units at pasir gudang and warn all airlines that we will protect our airspace at all cost - everybody will kecut bola and abandon that stupid airport -> win
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QUOTE(TunaFish1990 @ Dec 13 2018, 10:27 AM)
organize drone event at the highest tower nearby aje

make it a weekly event... nod.gif
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this! great idea indeed

it is not illegal in that area in msia, pulis sure dont care

meanwhile sg pulis cannot do anything hahaha
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I just want to know who is right or wrong.


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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:36 AM)
You do know that "them" (for commercial traffic) is actually only our FireFly's turboprop planes, right?

And you do know that hundreds of flights between Changi and Europe fly over peninsula Malaysia, right?
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It doesn't matter. There is no free lunch in the world.

btw;

Dangling a carrot.

Firefly is the carrot
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they continue to bising we should take back malaysia part of changi airspace also
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Let singkipor planes approach from thier airspace. Why fly over Pasir Gudang?

My Vietnam Saigon office is directly under the Tan Son Nhat approach flight path a few hundred metres from the runway....and they fly over at only a few hundred feet. Rattles the windows each time a plane comes in for landing.

Local residents may be used ton it, but I still get unnerved seeing how close the aircraft is overhead
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Can we say the water in river suddenly dry up when we close our tap to SG ???

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SG if u need water, pls inform Msia accordingly...

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QUOTE(damonlbs @ Dec 13 2018, 10:34 AM)
Hot air balloon festival at pasir gudang
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Flying lantern festival...........
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QUOTE(otakotak @ Dec 13 2018, 10:24 AM)
put toll in the air..
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QUOTE(amidamaru @ Dec 13 2018, 10:26 AM)
Still using malaysia airspace. Dont gibap our MOT

QUOTE(pineapplegrenade @ Dec 13 2018, 10:29 AM)
Nah. No deal. Use their own airspace.

Uhh, but putting aside this landing issue. Basically ALL flights from SG to middle east and Europe fly over peninsula Malaysia (ie they use Malaysia airspace). Malaysia charges overflight fees to the airlines so its not like we get nothing out of it.
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They still wanna screw us after the water deal.
Go to hell la sg
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QUOTE(arturo_bandini @ Dec 13 2018, 10:38 AM)
just put Surface to Air Missile (SAM) units at pasir gudang and warn all airlines that we will protect our airspace at all cost - everybody will kecut bola and abandon that stupid airport -> win
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Say every few days have AA training exercise, fireworks event, hot air balloon, etc. at Pasir Gudang, impose lower flight limit 5,000 ft over ILS 21 zone.

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QUOTE(arturo_bandini @ Dec 13 2018, 10:38 AM)
just put Surface to Air Missile (SAM) units at pasir gudang and warn all airlines that we will protect our airspace at all cost - everybody will kecut bola and abandon that stupid airport -> win
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Sinkie already one step ahead, they already move Msia Firefly to that airport, so basically you will be shooting Msia planes.........
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QUOTE(Drian @ Dec 13 2018, 10:40 AM)
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This is PURELY business
nothing to do with malindo or fireflyz which got affected - stupid stakes being used here, but they can always operate via changi without any issue


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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:36 AM)
You do know that "them" (for commercial traffic) is actually only our FireFly's turboprop planes, right?

And you do know that hundreds of flights between Changi and Europe fly over peninsula Malaysia, right?
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Overflying at 35,000ft is not the same as coming in for landing at 1000ft.

Firefly can still land there without using the planed ILS route.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:18 AM)
So who correct now, Anthony Loke or Singapork MoT?

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/expla..._13122018_today

Basically SG said that all along:
- Flight path doesn't affect any existing structure also, and
- Malaysia bagi tau je whenever got plans to build higher structures then SG will adjust the flight path accordingly.
Additional points:
- Edge of pasir gudang is 2.5km from edge of runway, which implies safety height buffer of 78.1m.
- Current ILS glide slope is 3.5deg. In comparison, London City Airport glide slope is 5.5deg.
- If Singapork increase glide slope to 5.5deg then height buffer is 123.0m @ 2.5km, 148.1m @ 3km, and 296.3m @ 6km
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if wanna build a mia burj khalifa right at the edge of pasir gudang how?
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First of all, Once this ILS was agreed and implemented, Malaysia will need TO GET APPROVAL from SINGAPORE and ICAA before building any tall structure in future.

Becase of legal implication which previous government fail to look at, this is why now Malaysia is hesitate to go further.


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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Dec 13 2018, 10:44 AM)
Let singkipor planes approach from thier airspace. Why fly over Pasir Gudang?

My Vietnam Saigon office is directly under the Tan Son Nhat approach flight path a few hundred metres from the runway....and they fly over at only a few hundred feet. Rattles the windows each time a plane comes in for landing.

Few hundred metres a bit different than the 2.5 km distance between seletar and pasir gudang. If you see the 3.5deg ILS guide slope, at this 2.5km mark planes will be generally 150m above, which isn't that bad.

Furthermore, airplanes are most efficient when taking off and landing against the wind. Forcing seletar to use only a single direction makes planes less efficient half the year when they have to land or take off with the wind.

Finally, planes coming from the North need to fly a bigger loop to the south before landing from the south.

And since Firefly is the only airline planned for seletar, we kecoh kecoh kecoh in the end our own airline is the one that suffers.

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QUOTE(galkelly @ Dec 13 2018, 10:45 AM)
They still wanna screw us after the water deal.
Go to hell la sg

But they also bent over backwards to help us postpone HSR. Just as we are (probably) fully within our rights to ask SG to GTFO with their seletar ILS, they were also fully within their rights to ask us pay that 500m or whatever it was compensation. No?
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if they just adjust flight plan then why need the ILS in the first place? isn't the purpose of ILS is for easy landing and clear the airspace of any obstacles? if so then there sure going to be restrictions on msia side, if msia side got restriction then sure got dispute one.
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whatever height la..if the owner of the airspace don't allow u to go through their airspace, then don't la..apa bodoh sombong sangat ni
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Dec 13 2018, 10:50 AM)
First of all, Once this ILS was agreed and implemented, Malaysia will need TO GET APPROVAL from SINGAPORE and ICAA before building any tall structure in future.

I think that's an interesting and key point, and one which I'm not sure what the reality is. Will we NEED to get approval, or will we just need to inform them then they have to ownself no choice increase the glide angle to compensate?
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:50 AM)
Few hundred metres a bit different than the 2.5 km distance between seletar and pasir gudang. If you see the 3.5deg ILS guide slope, at this 2.5km mark planes will be generally 150m above, which isn't that bad.

Furthermore, airplanes are most efficient when taking off and landing against the wind. Forcing seletar to use only a single direction makes planes less efficient half the year when they have to land or take off with the wind.

Finally, planes coming from the North need to fly a bigger loop to the south before landing from the south.

And since Firefly is the only airline planned for seletar, we kecoh kecoh kecoh in the end our own airline is the one that suffers.
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They can't operate Selatar so having a white elephant airport is a bigger lost than the lost of a route.
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sg just wanna be a bully

we have every right to deny usage of our airspace and we have no obligation to give reasons even

sg, u wanna do what also no problem, just use your own airspace
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:50 AM)
Few hundred metres a bit different than the 2.5 km distance between seletar and pasir gudang. If you see the 3.5deg ILS guide slope, at this 2.5km mark planes will be generally 150m above, which isn't that bad.

Furthermore, airplanes are most efficient when taking off and landing against the wind. Forcing seletar to use only a single direction makes planes less efficient half the year when they have to land or take off with the wind.

Finally, planes coming from the North need to fly a bigger loop to the south before landing from the south.

And since Firefly is the only airline planned for seletar, we kecoh kecoh kecoh in the end our own airline is the one that suffers.
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the video from our MOT brings a simple brief on what the current situation. with that could you further think about the future? if this approved, with our own land at pasir gudang any high rise development will need discuss with Singapore and if that area developed to economic attack Singapore, do you think Singapore will say we will adjust the flight path? and more concerns. they moved our firefly to there is to leverage the talk deal, you ban the ILS, you risk your own firefly etc.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:50 AM)
Few hundred metres a bit different than the 2.5 km distance between seletar and pasir gudang. If you see the 3.5deg ILS guide slope, at this 2.5km mark planes will be generally 150m above, which isn't that bad.

Furthermore, airplanes are most efficient when taking off and landing against the wind. Forcing seletar to use only a single direction makes planes less efficient half the year when they have to land or take off with the wind.

Finally, planes coming from the North need to fly a bigger loop to the south before landing from the south.

And since Firefly is the only airline planned for seletar, we kecoh kecoh kecoh in the end our own airline is the one that suffers.
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in any implementation, not only this airport case, a considerate person without malicious intention will always prioritize a way that doesn't trouble other people to begin wit.
just like a considerate neighbor wont park his car wit half of the bonnet blocking ur drive way, regardless u hav car or no car at home.

question is y singapore cannot move the landing path close to their side, like loke suggested? y die die must intrude into pasir gudang air space? even SG MoT dun dare to answer this question, keep avoiding it.
& saying need a bigger loop is just bullshit.
it's not that much different in distance, plane circle the airport all the time bcoz they dint get the clearance to land yet.
there is so many factors like ur plane arrive early/late, the ground plane delay their take off, air strip too congested.........

if goes by the logic of "bigger loop" as argument point, take a look at the flight path of of the world.
y not argue to re-draw all the flight path to direct straight line?
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But they also bent over backwards to help us postpone HSR. Just as we are (probably) fully within our rights to ask SG to GTFO with their seletar ILS, they were also fully within their rights to ask us pay that 500m or whatever it was compensation. No?
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They can't operate Selatar so having a white elephant airport is a bigger lost than the lost of a route.

Seletar airport was built in 1928 so it's not like SG really needs it. The only reason they wanted to open seletar to commercial traffic is to free up changi landing slots and berths to bigger planes, and move FireFly's smaller turboprops to seletar.

Let's say we bantah successfully, the end result is that SG just goes back to status quo and withdraws the ILS for seletar, but still tells firefly to GTFO anyway. Net loss for us.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:58 AM)
I think that's an interesting and key point, and one which I'm not sure what the reality is. Will we NEED to get approval, or will we just need to inform them then they have to ownself no choice increase the glide angle to compensate?
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:50 AM)
Few hundred metres a bit different than the 2.5 km distance between seletar and pasir gudang. If you see the 3.5deg ILS guide slope, at this 2.5km mark planes will be generally 150m above, which isn't that bad.

Furthermore, airplanes are most efficient when taking off and landing against the wind. Forcing seletar to use only a single direction makes planes less efficient half the year when they have to land or take off with the wind.

Finally, planes coming from the North need to fly a bigger loop to the south before landing from the south.

And since Firefly is the only airline planned for seletar, we kecoh kecoh kecoh in the end our own airline is the one that suffers.
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This is the most stupid comment..!!!! our airspace and we need to bent down to sg?? the height restriction confirm will kena and do you know how much noise it will make when the flight is at so low???? beside firefly may be the only airline now, but whatabout future?? when you let them do it now, later confirm when you want build huge building in pasir Gudang definitely make noise !!! object this and that..!! our own land our space should be our to determine and not an outsider!!!!
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QUOTE(Aparaa @ Dec 13 2018, 11:01 AM)
You are a S'porean. Stop pretending

I am Malaysian, but I have personal interest in supporting seletar because its 5min drive from my place so I got easy journey to airport to take firefly back to KL 🤣

But having said that, my point here is that SG and MY - - are we allies or are we enemies? If we are friends then is there anything wrong with rationally standing in the middle and agreeing to give and take with each other if it doesn't really affect us much?

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doesnt fcking matter. u build an airport and the jets will fly over our airspace, and u say can adjust as needed?

why dont i park my car in front of ur porch when ur not home, and say i can move it as when needed?

fck off singapore

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 11:02 AM)
Seletar airport was built in 1928 so it's not like SG really needs it. The only reason they wanted to open seletar to commercial traffic is to free up changi landing slots and berths to bigger planes, and move FireFly's smaller turboprops to seletar.

Let's say we bantah successfully, the end result is that SG just goes back to status quo and withdraws the ILS for seletar, but still tells firefly to GTFO anyway. Net loss for us.
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if singapore wants to make life difficult for firefly, we can do the same for their flight. Remember Airasia commands huge traffic when comes to cheaper air rate.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 11:02 AM)
Seletar airport was built in 1928 so it's not like SG really needs it. The only reason they wanted to open seletar to commercial traffic is to free up changi landing slots and berths to bigger planes, and move FireFly's smaller turboprops to seletar.

Let's say we bantah successfully, the end result is that SG just goes back to status quo and withdraws the ILS for seletar, but still tells firefly to GTFO anyway. Net loss for us.
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Or they will just ask Firefly to go back Changi because their power play failed.
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Sh!t singapore just adjust your flight path la. Bodoh people need yo use Malaysia airspace
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What area of the airspace are they talking about?

Is air space (as shouted about by Mr Loke) and FIR the same?

FIR is basically distributed according to flight patterns and routes. Sg has a large FIR due to Changi being a large aviation hub.

You mean flights into Changi needs to be coordinated from Senai? Or Kl? That is like asking flights into KL to be coordinated from Yangon in Myanmar.

If there is collision how? Do we even have the competency to manage a larger area? Come on la. Those who know..know that info on MH370 real route came from a third country who has 24/7 scanning over our airspace. Our radats were not even working properly. That country is very very small...


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What area of the airspace are they talking about?

Is air space (as shouted about by Mr Loke) and FIR the same? 

FIR is basically distributed according to flight patterns and routes. Sg has a large FIR due to Changi being a large aviation hub.

You mean flights into Changi needs to be coordinated from Senai? Or Kl? That is like asking flights into KL to be coordinated from Yangon in Myanmar.

If there is collision how? Do we even have the competency to manage a larger area? Come on la. Those who know..know that info on MH370 real route came from a third country who has 24/7 scanning over our airspace. Our radats were not even working properly. That country is very very small...
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you sure our radar not working properly ?
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It is clear to me that Mr Loke here is playing politiks. Slowly but surely..facts are coming out. Is there some issue internally in DAP?
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Wait, even if height doesnt matter, the air space still under ours? Or theirs?
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"The ILS procedures are not cast in stone. If there are plans for upcoming developments in the Johor Baru town of Pasir Gudang, various parties can discuss about it and the ILS procedures could be changed"


Now Malaysia telling singapore that all pasir gudang are next year will planned highrise coming, so sgp pls remove your ISL.

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 13 2018, 11:14 AM)
What area of the airspace are they talking about?
Is air space (as shouted about by Mr Loke) and FIR the same? 

There is a small overlap over pasir gudang area that falls under the SG FIR but is actually Malaysian airspace. If Malaysia wants to take back the airspace I guess it means ICAO needs to adjust the boundary between the Malaysia and Singapore FIRs.
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It is clear to me that Mr Loke here is playing politiks. Slowly but surely..facts are coming out. Is there some issue internally in DAP?
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It is clear to me that Mr Loke here is playing politiks. Slowly but surely..facts are coming out. Is there some issue internally in DAP?
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Giant 1st challenged SG to reveal a few letters.

Now kiasu kiasi become a parrot n follow SG say all discussions confidential.

You could be right brows.gif
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so now wanna do anything gotta tell/ask singapork

butoh lah yahudi asia nih


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QUOTE(tikaram @ Dec 13 2018, 11:21 AM)
"The ILS procedures are not cast in stone. If there are plans for upcoming developments in the Johor Baru town of Pasir Gudang, various parties can discuss about it and the ILS procedures could be changed"
Now Malaysia telling singapore that all pasir gudang are  next year will  planned highrise coming,  so sgp pls remove your ISL.
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It's ridiculous for SG to even suggest we can inform them when got needs, HELLO SG it's our land, what and when we wanna build why do we need to ask or tell them...... doh.gif
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/k was true
getting more sinkie people in forum now

The point in this thread is only to get the facts straight. Anthony Loke say 58m is height limit, SG say no you wrong it is actually 100+m and can be adjusted upwards if needed.

Once we know the facts then we decide how to bantah, don't just bantah blindly.

If the height limits really don't affect anticipated developments in pasir gudang, then do we really need to bantah so hard? Could there be another mutually acceptable give and take?

For example just allow the ILS but then issue gazette kasi increase kau kau the overflight fees that we charge for planes using pasir gudang airspace, win-win liao.
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Time to build a new twin towers at Johor. No need to be as tall as Petronas Twin towers. Just 1/2 of the heights will be enough.
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just think long term..20-30 years in the future is not impossible for Pasir Gudang to have high rise
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 12:04 PM)
I am Malaysian, but I have personal interest in supporting seletar because its 5min drive from my place so I got easy journey to airport to take firefly back to KL 🤣

But having said that, my point here is that SG and MY - - are we allies or are we enemies? If we are friends then is there anything wrong with rationally standing in the middle and agreeing to give and take with each other if it doesn't really affect us much?
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But it does effec us much and my relative have a land in pasir gudang and they wish to built a 150meters tall buiding. first need to get sgp approval after that johor approval only can built and what if and big IF sgp later disapprove. and also the cost of my approval for sgp who is boing to compenste us?


first time i hear built on my own land but need approval from another country.

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 11:27 AM)
The point in this thread is only to get the facts straight. Anthony Loke say 58m is height limit, SG say no you wrong it is actually 100+m and can be adjusted upwards if needed.

Once we know the facts then we decide how to bantah, don't just bantah blindly.

If the height limits really don't affect anticipated developments in pasir gudang, then do we really need to bantah so hard? Could there be another mutually acceptable give and take?

For example just allow the ILS but then issue gazette kasi increase kau kau the overflight fees that we charge for planes using pasir gudang airspace, win-win liao.
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Agreed. I don't even want to waste time on this.

Charge airspace use and set annual review of ILS.

Many other more pressing domestic issues happening right now vmad.gif
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:18 AM)
So who correct now, Anthony Loke or Singapork MoT?

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/expla..._13122018_today

Basically SG said that all along:
- Flight path doesn't affect any existing structure also, and
- Malaysia bagi tau je whenever got plans to build higher structures then SG will adjust the flight path accordingly. Ini bodoh.
Additional points:
- Edge of pasir gudang is 2.5km from edge of runway, which implies safety height buffer of 78.1m.
- Current ILS glide slope is 3.5deg. In comparison, London City Airport glide slope is 5.5deg.
- If Singapork increase glide slope to 5.5deg then height buffer is 123.0m @ 2.5km, 148.1m @ 3km, and 296.3m @ 6km
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Haha bodoh.build on your own land but need to inform sg 1st
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 12:27 PM)
The point in this thread is only to get the facts straight. Anthony Loke say 58m is height limit, SG say no you wrong it is actually 100+m and can be adjusted upwards if needed.

Once we know the facts then we decide how to bantah, don't just bantah blindly.

If the height limits really don't affect anticipated developments in pasir gudang, then do we really need to bantah so hard? Could there be another mutually acceptable give and take?

For example just allow the ILS but then issue gazette kasi increase kau kau the overflight fees that we charge for planes using pasir gudang airspace, win-win liao.
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If the height limits really don't affect anticipated developments in sgp why need to use johor airspace. use la ang mo kei
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"The ILS procedures are not cast in stone. If there are plans for upcoming developments in the Johor Baru town of Pasir Gudang, various parties can discuss about it and the ILS procedures could be changed"
Now Malaysia telling singapore that all pasir gudang are  next year will  planned highrise coming,  so sgp pls remove your ISL.
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why not just take it from the south?

bodo sg
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 11:27 AM)
The point in this thread is only to get the facts straight. Anthony Loke say 58m is height limit, SG say no you wrong it is actually 100+m and can be adjusted upwards if needed.

Once we know the facts then we decide how to bantah, don't just bantah blindly.

If the height limits really don't affect anticipated developments in pasir gudang, then do we really need to bantah so hard? Could there be another mutually acceptable give and take?

For example just allow the ILS but then issue gazette kasi increase kau kau the overflight fees that we charge for planes using pasir gudang airspace, win-win liao.
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Problem is we will adjust accordingly does not mean we agree to adjust.now sg said will adjust what .. tomorrow onwards they might not adjust.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 11:27 AM)
The point in this thread is only to get the facts straight. Anthony Loke say 58m is height limit, SG say no you wrong it is actually 100+m and can be adjusted upwards if needed.

Once we know the facts then we decide how to bantah, don't just bantah blindly.

If the height limits really don't affect anticipated developments in pasir gudang, then do we really need to bantah so hard? Could there be another mutually acceptable give and take?

For example just allow the ILS but then issue gazette kasi increase kau kau the overflight fees that we charge for planes using pasir gudang airspace, win-win liao.
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Do you like planes flying over your prop even if there's enough safe distance? Why not SG fly over their own land and swallow up all the possible inconvenience and limitation that comes along with it?

Also fees are ultimately borne by customers, of which maybe 50% could be Msians.
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Dont lie la shit sg ..i bet next time you wont agree to adjust.

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 11:04 AM)
I am Malaysian, but I have personal interest in supporting seletar because its 5min drive from my place so I got easy journey to airport to take firefly back to KL 🤣

But having said that, my point here is that SG and MY - - are we allies or are we enemies? If we are friends then is there anything wrong with rationally standing in the middle and agreeing to give and take with each other if it doesn't really affect us much?
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so friends need to be a doormat to another ? strange, dat explains MCA pov when dealing with SG ministers
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bodo sinkie

reclaim so much land to be closer to johor then suddenly claim johor airspace belong to them

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If you read the article, Seletar aldy has south approach.

Depending on wind condition, it need north approach too.

You really embarrass MY.

Wait, you sound quite kiasu kiasi, you Sinkie prick trying to stir shit?
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Bcs of you need north approach and now you need to kacau me?

It is your problem.
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our airspace, if you no like the terms and conditions go use your own airspace.

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Haha nope, dont trust singkie on “height can be changed as needed”

Bodo piang
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 11:27 AM)
The point in this thread is only to get the facts straight. Anthony Loke say 58m is height limit, SG say no you wrong it is actually 100+m and can be adjusted upwards if needed.

Once we know the facts then we decide how to bantah, don't just bantah blindly.

If the height limits really don't affect anticipated developments in pasir gudang, then do we really need to bantah so hard? Could there be another mutually acceptable give and take?

For example just allow the ILS but then issue gazette kasi increase kau kau the overflight fees that we charge for planes using pasir gudang airspace, win-win liao.
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just let the other answer you on these biggrin.gif
i go back to my popcorn area . sorry
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Someone is playing with the emotions of Msians. Fortunately, Johor4ever and some forum members can see it.

What airspace again?

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 11:27 AM)
The point in this thread is only to get the facts straight. Anthony Loke say 58m is height limit, SG say no you wrong it is actually 100+m and can be adjusted upwards if needed.

Once we know the facts then we decide how to bantah, don't just bantah blindly.

If the height limits really don't affect anticipated developments in pasir gudang, then do we really need to bantah so hard? Could there be another mutually acceptable give and take?

For example just allow the ILS but then issue gazette kasi increase kau kau the overflight fees that we charge for planes using pasir gudang airspace, win-win liao.
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Cannot charge kaw kaw, coz the airline will be using one of it is firefly,malindo might follow up.
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So since brunei flight region is managed from Kota Kinabalu, Msia has invaded and ursuped Brunei airspace and it is a territorial encroachment issue? Some parts of Australia is under Jakarta FIR in another example.

Loke..grow up! You want to supplant Guan Eng is it? You sure look powerful now.
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Someone is playing with the emotions of Msians. Fortunately, Johor4ever and some forum members can see it.

What airspace again?

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From the figure I say the singkie proposed ILS is inside KL FIR. So singkie can go fly kite
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build a stretch of burj khalifas to cover the airspace
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 13 2018, 11:39 AM)
Someone is playing with the emotions of Msians. Fortunately, Johor4ever and some forum members can see it.

What airspace again?

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I still don't like the fact that Malaysia has to inform Singapore. What does Pasir Gudang owe Seletar, that Pasir Gudang need to sacrifice?

And all the restrictions etc need to be enforced by Malaysia. What the fish, it's like Malaysia have to listen to SG CAAS. Thats wrong, very very wrong.
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 13 2018, 11:43 AM)
So since brunei flight region is managed from Kota Kinabalu, Msia has invaded and ursuped Brunei airspace and it is a territorial encroachment issue? Some parts of Australia is under Jakarta FIR in another example.

Loke..grow up! You want to supplant Guan Eng is it? You sure look powerful now.
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Buduh, look at the figure again. Where is the proposed ILS , inside kl FIR. Wtf .
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We shouldn't agree to it. It's like a squatter asking to stay on your land and promises to move out after a year but then refuses and starts making demands. We don't know if Singapore will be this 'receptive' to our development plans in the future.
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QUOTE(Learjet35 @ Dec 13 2018, 11:41 AM)
Cannot charge kaw kaw, coz the airline will be using one of it is firefly, malindo might follow up.
So in the end we bantah our own airplanes flying over our own area?
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 11:04 AM)
I am Malaysian, but I have personal interest in supporting seletar because its 5min drive from my place so I got easy journey to airport to take firefly back to KL 🤣

But having said that, my point here is that SG and MY - - are we allies or are we enemies? If we are friends then is there anything wrong with rationally standing in the middle and agreeing to give and take with each other if it doesn't really affect us much?
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OMG you are either a really stupid singkapork or the most retarded malaysian ever...lolz

what the fuck u need another country's approval to build on your own land??? go fuck off your sneaky bastard singkie.

just reroute the approach to your side and let the height limitation imposed on your own country side instead of your neighbour. what a selfish bastard.

if seletar cannot be fully utilised why the fuck u modernised it. your transport minister really special kinda sohai. never do any study isit? whther will effect other country airspace?

your retard minister think he can do whatever he wanted ka?? lolz

if not just relocate your airport to south part of the island. tambak tanah there and approach from batam airspace. see whether indonesia make noise or not. lolz

so what its build since 1928...just fucking move it. nobody stopping u. why wanna impose on other people. really kiasu and sohai doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 13 2018, 11:43 AM)
So since brunei flight region is managed from Kota Kinabalu, Msia has invaded and ursuped Brunei airspace and it is a territorial encroachment issue? Some parts of Australia is under Jakarta FIR in another example.

Loke..grow up! You want to supplant Guan Eng is it? You sure look powerful now.
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our airspace our rules. As good neighbours, we gave them the rights to do what they want with it since 1973. That doesn't mean its theirs for perpetuality.

Why the hell do we have to ask permission, or inform them if we want to build anything on our land? Whether they want to increase the ILS, or change whatever not, it should be on our terms as it is our airspace. They should be the ones asking nicely, not making demands.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Dec 13 2018, 11:45 AM)
LOL FIR =/= sovereign airspace
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It is clear to me that Mr Loke here is playing politiks. Slowly but surely..facts are coming out. Is there some issue internally in DAP?
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It is more like Singapore i am not your macai. you can go fly kite rclxms.gif
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So in the end we bantah our own airplanes flying over our own area?
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it's a matter of principle. Why should Malaysia obey Singapore's development restriction. Even if the airline is Firefly.

Firefly is collateral damage, so be it. Pasir Gudang or Firefly more important?
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 13 2018, 12:43 PM)
So since brunei flight region is managed from Kota Kinabalu, Msia has invaded and ursuped Brunei airspace and it is a territorial encroachment issue? Some parts of Australia is under Jakarta FIR in another example.

Loke..grow up! You want to supplant Guan Eng is it? You sure look powerful now.
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QUOTE(baguss2137 @ Dec 13 2018, 11:34 AM)
If you read the article, Seletar aldy has south approach.

Depending on wind condition, it need north approach too.

You really embarrass MY.

Wait, you sound quite kiasu kiasi, you Sinkie prick trying to stir shit?
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 11:47 AM)
So in the end we bantah our own airplanes flying over our own area?
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You sure in future also only Msia airline using that airport and flight path?
Other than prop height concern, there are also safety concern for everyone in the landing flight path.
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For the first time, all Malaysian can use this quote "airspace ini milik siapa?"
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QUOTE(klaxoon.my @ Dec 13 2018, 10:24 AM)
As i said before, that infographic video fact is incorrect. Easily kena pawn by SMRT feedback page.
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so now trolls are believable?

and so now msia has to get permission from CAAS when there is a high rise coming up?

will it be a blanket approval to build? negotiated case-by-case basis?

sinkie quite calculative and kiasu so dont expect free things.

they use the FIR since 1973 now change habit also throw tantrum
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So in the end we bantah our own airplanes flying over our own area?
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The reason why firefly stop operating kul-sg.

Howwver, dont let firefly and malindo become an issue, coz once malaysia allow it, there will be other foreign airline using it as well. Dont open thw flood gate.
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QUOTE(Mickey B @ Dec 13 2018, 11:52 AM)
They should be the ones asking nicely, not making demands.
Well if you believe their version of events, they did ask us nicely since a year ago and we never said anything 🤷🏻‍♂️
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^ SG PR or wannabe detected.
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we got famous pesta layang-layang in pasir gudang every year.
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Question.
1. currently planes that flies from KL, Penang and from other destinations that will land in Changi will also utilise Malaysia Airspace (although on the approaching path, those that land in Changi from a northern approach is considerably higher than the Seletar approach), why don't Malaysia dispute those as well?
2. Ain't FireFly a Msian company, if they cannot fly means FireFly rugi kan?
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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Dec 13 2018, 11:57 AM)
For the first time, all Malaysian can use this quote "airspace ini milik siapa?"
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so every time got new development/ship movements/crane movements they will recalibrate the ILS?

whos gonna ay for recalibration?
what if 2 years later new building come up? recalibrate again?

won't that disrupt operations?
calibration takes a lot of time to get it perfect, lots of testing, circling


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Question... why firefly cannot use Changi? must use Seletar?
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Question... why firefly cannot use Changi? must use Seletar?
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then its not fit to build the airport at first place so near to somebody else border  cool2.gif
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Well if you believe their version of events, they did ask us nicely since a year ago and we never said anything 🤷🏻‍♂️
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silence is consent hor. have to impose restriction, that malaysia have to execute, but a "silence is consent" is good enough.


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Singapore wanted to free up Changi space, Moving them to Seletar.
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Ah..youve hit the nail on its head. Loke is not daft. He is equating airspace with FIR. Any informed observer can see through this lie. Pity many msians! Dulu BN..sekaramg PH!

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think this as a home neighborhood

your neighbor tanam pokok right next to your fences

the tree grows, and the branches grew over your land

dead leaves and sticks fall from their tree into your lawn, sure u gonna rage

that's how msian feeling right now


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Question.
1. currently planes that flies from KL, Penang and from other destinations that will land in Changi will also utilise Malaysia Airspace (although on the approaching path, those that land in Changi from a northern approach is considerably higher than the Seletar approach), why don't Malaysia dispute those as well?
2. Ain't FireFly a Msian company, if they cannot fly means FireFly rugi kan?
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please have a look at the Changi Northern approach
vs Seletar Northeast approach before you comment.

seletar is literally off the coast from Pasir Gudang.

so your logic is, this is a malaysian turboprop operator, so lets give them the ILS over Pasir Gudang and stunt the growth because any highrise have to get CAAS approval?

pasir gudang development have to get CAAS approval?

if this isnt an issue, like how CAAS and MOTSG has always presented it - surely ILS over Ang Mo Kio isn't an issue then?
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QUOTE(asphiroth @ Dec 13 2018, 12:12 PM)
think this as a home neighborhood

your neighbor tanam pokok right next to your fences

the tree grows, and the branches grew over your land

dead leaves and sticks fall from their tree into your lawn, sure u gonna rage

that's how msian feeling right now
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they dont understand your analogy bro

where got trees and shit...they all live in HDB liaoo

where got laman or land..wakakakka
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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Dec 13 2018, 12:07 PM)
silence is consent hor. have to impose restriction, that malaysia have to execute, but a "silence is consent" is good enough.

No lah I'm not arguing that silence is consent. Just saying that it's not like singapore sprang this on us out of the blue, they actually tried to engage us a year ago then we never bantah so they assumed that we are OK.
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QUOTE(chickenshit36 @ Dec 13 2018, 11:04 AM)
doesnt fcking matter. u build an airport and the jets will fly over our airspace, and u say can adjust as needed?

why dont i park my car in front of ur porch when ur not home, and say i can move it as when needed?

fck off singapore
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 12:16 PM)
No lah I'm not arguing that silence is consent. Just saying that it's not like singapore sprang this on us out of the blue, they actually tried to engage us a year ago then we never bantah so they assumed that we are OK.
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and thats a fair action?
to take silence as consent?

and now that there is no silence, sg starts ranting to the media?

the water issue - silence = void our chance for renegotiation
tuas issue - silence = we reclaim the tuas port extension up to wherever we want cuz u diam


u think whatever SG does is for the mutual benefit of both neighbours? living in SG does do that to msians who moved there.
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QUOTE(asphiroth @ Dec 13 2018, 12:12 PM)
think this as a home neighborhood

your neighbor tanam pokok right next to your fences

the tree grows, and the branches grew over your land

dead leaves and sticks fall from their tree into your lawn, sure u gonna rage

that's how msian feeling right now
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no the tree is in my yard
then neighbor play2 with his newly bought dji drone
then one day he tell to cut my tree so his drone dun crash into my tree
i tell him to gtfo haha
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put toll in the air..
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What Singaporean Wants:
- Increase Changi commercial value.
- Move turboprop flight to Seletar airport.
- impose ILS on new airport.


What Malaysia gets
- Building Restriction in Pasir Gudang.
- Permission required for building above xxx meter in affected area in future.

What SG Forummer thinks
- Unite and fight for SG interest.
- Get what best for SG.

What (some) MY forummer thinks
- Singapore think, sure correct. Malaysia never right in anything....
- MY Gov sure liar, distraction for PH... SG sure never bias...
- make peace, not fight... we don't build tall building Pasir Gudang anyway...


Hmm.... correct?
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Wait..why we have to let them use our air space?i noob..pencerahan pls
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QUOTE(sonicscourge @ Dec 13 2018, 12:03 PM)
Question.
1. currently planes that flies from KL, Penang and from other destinations that will land in Changi will also utilise Malaysia Airspace (although on the approaching path, those that land in Changi from a northern approach is considerably higher than the Seletar approach), why don't Malaysia dispute those as well?
2. Ain't FireFly a Msian company, if they cannot fly means FireFly rugi kan?
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1. Tekong Island is theirs, buffer around 8km is sufficient, we give in this but doesn't mean we will give in selatar airport
2. They wanna use this force Malaysia government bow down at Singkie request

In short Singkie can go dai, bottom of seletar airport has higher buffer for their own. IF cannot then ask them demolish the airport and build somewhere lah, since singkie so rich now
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QUOTE(bsa12 @ Dec 13 2018, 12:07 PM)
You think singkie is stupid. sure they have hidden agenda building selater airport.
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Seletar Airport has always been there and approach always the same.

The issue is ILS, not the airport or approach. Don't bodoh pls, later malu us in front of SG.
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put toll in the air..
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Dec 13 2018, 12:22 PM)
and thats a fair action?
to take silence as consent?

and now that there is no silence, sg starts ranting to the media?

the water issue - silence = void our chance for renegotiation
tuas issue - silence = we reclaim the tuas port extension up to wherever we want cuz u diam
u think whatever SG does is for the mutual benefit of both neighbours? living in SG does do that to msians who moved there.
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Since SGporean and some ppl here harp so much on this. In next official letter, we will start the heading with "Sorry for late reply. Regarding........". Bottom add: "We are usually slow for everything, including reply, so please don't unilaterally make arrangement before official reply."

Kautim...
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Managed and owned also cannot differentiate

Singapore is more than welcome to fucking relinquish management
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You suka suka build ILS airport without prediscussion with Malaysia, Kiasu land can go F themselves with their own methodology!

Ingat Malaysia still with JibbyLand ka, we want mutual respect, not CashISKing, even though I know you got more than us~

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holyshit so many new account suddenly supporting SG..!! and pretend to be johorean!! WHAT A JOKE..!!!!
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Dec 13 2018, 12:13 PM)
please have a look at the Changi Northern approach
vs Seletar Northeast approach before you comment.

seletar is literally off the coast from Pasir Gudang.

so your logic is, this is a malaysian turboprop operator, so lets give them the ILS over Pasir Gudang and stunt the growth because any highrise have to get CAAS approval?

pasir gudang development have to get CAAS approval?

if this isnt an issue, like how CAAS and MOTSG has always presented it - surely ILS over Ang Mo Kio isn't an issue then?
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langsung x paham all this ILS approach restriction thing so i ask lor, coz rasa rasa nya Pasir Gudang won't have to build so many tall building untill will restrict ILS approach kan? Then again, you got the comparison of building heights around Seletar Airport?

QUOTE(yhtan @ Dec 13 2018, 12:25 PM)
1. Tekong Island is theirs, buffer around 8km is sufficient, we give in this but doesn't mean we will give in selatar airport
2. They wanna use this force Malaysia government bow down at Singkie request

In short Singkie can go dai, bottom of seletar airport has higher buffer for their own. IF cannot then ask them demolish the airport and build somewhere lah, since singkie so rich now
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actually i find it quite funny that now problems are happening on land, sea and air. Crooked bridge to VEP, then Tuas vs Johor Port Authority and then this whole ILS thing. ada apa lagi?
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Don't give face to Singapore yo

From start tak ikhlas want to demand this and that as if they own it

When there is a will, there is a way

If they so willed it, seletar would have been a East West track a long time ago

But no, wannabe kiasushit

Sorry but that's the truth

Sorry for ph not bending over unlike the previous gomen who has been suspiciously quiet
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All i want to say is stop blamming each other and talk to each other face to face and solve the problem!
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That time they wrote in June.

Ah Loke appointed on May 18.

Still grasping what needs to be done.......
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:18 AM)
So who correct now, Anthony Loke or Singapork MoT?

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/expla..._13122018_today

Basically SG said that all along:
- Flight path doesn't affect any existing structure also, and
- Malaysia bagi tau je whenever got plans to build higher structures then SG will adjust the flight path accordingly.
Additional points:
- Edge of pasir gudang is 2.5km from edge of runway, which implies safety height buffer of 78.1m.
- Current ILS glide slope is 3.5deg. In comparison, London City Airport glide slope is 5.5deg.
- If Singapork increase glide slope to 5.5deg then height buffer is 123.0m @ 2.5km, 148.1m @ 3km, and 296.3m @ 6km
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Pls approach like this. Problem solved biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(sonicscourge @ Dec 13 2018, 12:35 PM)
langsung x paham all this ILS approach restriction thing so i ask lor, coz rasa rasa nya Pasir Gudang won't have to build so many tall building untill will restrict ILS approach kan? Then again, you got the comparison of building heights around Seletar Airport?
actually i find it quite funny that now problems are happening on land, sea and air. Crooked bridge to VEP, then Tuas vs Johor Port Authority and then this whole ILS thing. ada apa lagi?
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Last time KTM owned the railway land until Tanjong Pagar station, LKY was very upset and trying very hard to solve this with Tun M, Tun M doesn't compromise and the railway remain until Najib settled with LSL once and for all, with exchange of few piece of land at marina bay.

Back then KTM railway is under Malaysia sovereignty and Singkie cannot do shit on it, the railway basically draw a line in between.

Now LSL trying to mess with Tun M, look at how his father having tough time dealing with Tun M in the past.
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Sorry no deal. Go reclaim more airspace if you need more space.
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No mean no... Use their own airspace
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It's about time we have a skyscraper in Johor.
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go claim other land la, tak kisah la info grafik salah ker. that airspace is ours.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 12:16 PM)
No lah I'm not arguing that silence is consent. Just saying that it's not like singapore sprang this on us out of the blue, they actually tried to engage us a year ago then we never bantah so they assumed that we are OK.
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thats the stupidest ever reason...lor

nobody ever does anything without official letters or notifications. doesnt matter whether private or government...lolz

whatefak u assume assume...are u a retarded 9 year old? lolz

thats why ah loke said got evidence edi they oppose..now the singkapork minister sohai wanna pusing2...lulz
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Dec 13 2018, 01:40 PM)
thats the stupidest ever reason...lor

nobody ever does anything without official letters or notifications. doesnt matter whether private or government...lolz

Well, the thing is that even without the ILS, singapore was managing that airspace, and private planes have been approaching over pasir gudang for literally decades liao and Malaysia nv had any problems with it.

Then a year ago SG says oh hi Malaysia, this arrangement that we have for the last 20 years, I wanna extend it to commercial air traffic too, you OK right?

Then fast forward another year and just before SG publishes the ILS then only we bantah. They probably also like dafug why you never bantah earlier? Some more we been announcing the opening of seletar airport and the moving of firefly there for many months before this.

Of course when we bantah they should have cancelled the plans to formally publish the ILS, but our side we also should have bantah way earlier.
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Still think They have legit claim over our air space
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Dec 13 2018, 12:58 PM)
Last time KTM owned the railway land until Tanjong Pagar station, LKY was very upset and trying very hard to solve this with Tun M, Tun M doesn't compromise and the railway remain until Najib settled with LSL once and for all, with exchange of few piece of land at marina bay.

Back then KTM railway is under Malaysia sovereignty and Singkie cannot do shit on it, the railway basically draw a line in between.

Now LSL trying to mess with Tun M, look at how his father having tough time dealing with Tun M in the past.
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many pipul here and in sinkie forums thought

dulu so peaceful, why trouble now?

Tg Pagar & Kranji land, swapped for two blocks of towers at Marina South (reclaimed land)
water issue, non negotiable
Batu Puteh, given to SG
Tuas Port southwards extension and reclamation over a decade, SG no give fucuk to Msian 1976 claim
southern Johor airspace, amik lah SG pakai untuk RSAF
VEP hike, they can do it we cannot reciprocate
Causeway demolition to extend capacity, SG No msia Yes
Delays at SG CIQ and stringent checks on vehicles and cargo going into SG - Yes
Delays at MY CIQ - hardly except long weekends in SG

peaceful indeeeeed
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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Dec 13 2018, 01:59 PM)
ANTHONY LOKE FOCUS ON MRT LRT and PUBLIC TRANSPORT
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Nope better focus about sinkie issue...kasi singkie buthurt...about MRT public transport can wait....or your dont be kiasu like singkie and drive motorbike to work....ohwaiiii
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Dec 13 2018, 02:00 PM)
Delays at MY CIQ - hardly except long weekends in SG
Last last weekend i drive into tuas, Malaysia side sangkut 1.5hrs cos they only opened 6 immigration counters. Cross bridge go SG side no queue at all.
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Dec 13 2018, 02:00 PM)
many pipul here and in sinkie forums thought

dulu so peaceful, why trouble now?

Tg Pagar & Kranji land, swapped for two blocks of towers at Marina South (reclaimed land)
water issue, non negotiable
Batu Puteh, given to SG
Tuas Port southwards extension and reclamation over a decade, SG no give fucuk to Msian 1976 claim
southern Johor airspace, amik lah SG pakai untuk RSAF
VEP hike, they can do it we cannot reciprocate
Causeway demolition to extend capacity, SG No msia Yes
Delays at SG CIQ and stringent checks on vehicles and cargo going into SG - Yes
Delays at MY CIQ - hardly except long weekends in SG

peaceful indeeeeed
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Sure got dispute one, but Malaysia give way most of the time and Singkie take it for granted.

This time ask them eat back their shit and re-route from the south lah, see the residence at south there enjoice or not.


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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 02:03 PM)
Last last weekend i drive into tuas, Malaysia side sangkut 1.5hrs cos they only opened 6 immigration counters. Cross bridge go SG side no queue at all.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 02:56 PM)
Well, the thing is that even without the ILS, singapore was managing that airspace, and private planes have been approaching over pasir gudang for literally decades liao and Malaysia nv had any problems with it.

Then a year ago SG says oh hi Malaysia, this arrangement that we have for the last 20 years, I wanna extend it to commercial air traffic too, you OK right?

Then fast forward another year and just before SG publishes the ILS then only we bantah. They probably also like dafug why you never bantah earlier? Some more we been announcing the opening of seletar airport and the moving of firefly there for many months before this.

Of course when we bantah they should have cancelled the plans to formally publish the ILS, but our side we also should have bantah way earlier.
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Actually malaysia never said no to selectar airport commercial.

Just that we want Singapore to cancel the publised ( 1 Dec 2018) of ISL that eating Johor

This post has been edited by tikaram: Dec 13 2018, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(viole @ Dec 13 2018, 10:20 AM)
Wait, even if height doesnt matter, the air space still under ours? Or theirs?
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why they sound like we need to agree to them

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singkie not reli care about the aerospace i guess. the minister cant be that clueless. likely have hidden agenda where they just want to cripple the pasir gudang development as they see that as a threat to their sinking port.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Dec 13 2018, 02:05 PM)
Actually malaysia never said no to selectar airport commercial.

Just that we want  Singapore to cancel the publised of ILS that eating Johor

Maybe it would be good to have someone in aviation industry to chip in. Is ILS mandatory for launching commercial operations? Does it mean that without ILS the runway will be no go every time there is heavy rain or low clouds?
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QUOTE(ahchun @ Dec 13 2018, 02:07 PM)
indeed
why they sound like we need to agree to them

Because we DID agree to them many many many years ago (with ICAO) when we allowed them to manage that part of our airspace.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 02:18 PM)
So who correct now, Anthony Loke or Singapork MoT?

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/expla..._13122018_today

Basically SG said that all along:
- Flight path doesn't affect any existing structure also, and
- Malaysia bagi tau je whenever got plans to build higher structures then SG will adjust the flight path accordingly.
Additional points:
- Edge of pasir gudang is 2.5km from edge of runway, which implies safety height buffer of 78.1m.
- Current ILS glide slope is 3.5deg. In comparison, London City Airport glide slope is 5.5deg.
- If Singapork increase glide slope to 5.5deg then height buffer is 123.0m @ 2.5km, 148.1m @ 3km, and 296.3m @ 6km
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after watching so maany series of gundam, i wonder why the world still hasnt started on developing catapult technology and we still requires runway...

what could be so hard? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Artak @ Dec 13 2018, 02:12 PM)
after watching so maany series of gundam, i wonder why the world still hasnt started on developing catapult technology and we still requires runway...

It is cost constraints rather than technological ones. Catapults and arresting cables been available for decades liao on carriers, so technology is there to adapt to passenger planes.

However the cost of strengthening/adapting airplanes, passengers, airport runways etc is presumably much more expensive than to just build a longer runway, so nobody does it.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Dec 13 2018, 10:44 AM)
Let singkipor planes approach from thier airspace. Why fly over Pasir Gudang?

My Vietnam Saigon office is directly under the Tan Son Nhat approach flight path a few hundred metres from the runway....and they fly over at only a few hundred feet. Rattles the windows each time a plane comes in for landing.

Local residents may be used ton it, but I still get unnerved seeing how close the aircraft is overhead
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 06:14 PM)
It is cost constraints rather than technological ones. Catapults and arresting cables been available for decades liao on carriers, so technology is there to adapt to passenger planes.

However the cost of strengthening/adapting airplanes, passengers, airport runways etc is presumably much more expensive than to just build a longer runway, so nobody does it.
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we need to develop maglev technology for parallel pushing power so we dont have to reinforce the planes... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 02:11 PM)
Because we DID agree to them many many many years ago (with ICAO) when we allowed them to manage that part of our airspace.
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Hi Mr Deodorant

What exactly is that part of our airspace?

ICOAs FIR map shows perhaps only a sliver of airspace under their air traffic control.

If so, what is ruckus really about?
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Dec 13 2018, 02:00 PM)
many pipul here and in sinkie forums thought

dulu so peaceful, why trouble now?

Tg Pagar & Kranji land, swapped for two blocks of towers at Marina South (reclaimed land)
water issue, non negotiable
Batu Puteh, given to SG
Tuas Port southwards extension and reclamation over a decade, SG no give fucuk to Msian 1976 claim
southern Johor airspace, amik lah SG pakai untuk RSAF
VEP hike, they can do it we cannot reciprocate
Causeway demolition to extend capacity, SG No msia Yes
Delays at SG CIQ and stringent checks on vehicles and cargo going into SG - Yes
Delays at MY CIQ - hardly except long weekends in SG

peaceful indeeeeed
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water issue - contract havent end ...apa mahu nego?
batu puteh was according to international court...apa given ?
tuas port..if extension within their boundary apa salah?
vep hike...that is their internal issue...nth to do with malaysia
delay in SQ CIQ , stringent checks...apa salah?
delay in my ciq, u got see malaysia custom check..malas siuttttt
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QUOTE(RicoT @ Dec 13 2018, 10:38 AM)
Water deal is a history should be taught to all Malaysians, leaders and ministers, keep reminding them as text book example on Singkieland underhand tactic with the water deal.
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Dec 13 2018, 02:23 PM)
water issue - contract havent end ...apa mahu nego?
batu puteh was according to international court...apa given ?
tuas port..if extension within their boundary apa salah?
vep hike...that is their internal issue...nth to do with malaysia
delay in SQ CIQ , stringent checks...apa salah?
delay in my ciq, u got see malaysia custom check..malas siuttttt
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QUOTE(drM_neverwrong @ Dec 13 2018, 02:33 PM)
Why Malaysian Chinese produce so many successful businessman, accountants, professionals?

Not fair vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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QUOTE(drM_neverwrong @ Dec 13 2018, 02:33 PM)
Why Malaysian Chinese produce so many successful businessman, accountants, professionals?

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most of them are not in politics, and we all know why.
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if you don't know how to manage your <insert>, someone else will do on your behalf.

<insert> = water, air space, country, money.
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can be adjust later ?
ha ha ha
means infuture any thing we build there must get the approval ?

stupid singapore mot

later they expand the airport allowe airbus 380 boeing 777 then the height limit become wider



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How? Does anyone know the so called air space managed by Sg? Where? Size?

Funny la..korang can discuss like experts.
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the easiest way to make them retract that statement is by proposing a high enough structure on the path laugh.gif

thn anthony proceed to make a statement : "tell me i'm wrong" laugh.gif
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Kiasu Singapork go fucuk la
Tomorrow I want put a mobile crane at 1km mark on my own land cannot ah
Need to inform u dulu?
Ccb la
I want plant a jack coconut tree I plant la

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 01:56 PM)
Well, the thing is that even without the ILS, singapore was managing that airspace, and private planes have been approaching over pasir gudang for literally decades liao and Malaysia nv had any problems with it.

Then a year ago SG says oh hi Malaysia, this arrangement that we have for the last 20 years, I wanna extend it to commercial air traffic too, you OK right?

Then fast forward another year and just before SG publishes the ILS then only we bantah. They probably also like dafug why you never bantah earlier? Some more we been announcing the opening of seletar airport and the moving of firefly there for many months before this.

Of course when we bantah they should have cancelled the plans to formally publish the ILS, but our side we also should have bantah way earlier.
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QUOTE(eXTaTine @ Dec 13 2018, 03:37 PM)
U applying sinkie citizenship? Or your wife is sinkie/applying sinkie?
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QUOTE(lowya @ Dec 13 2018, 02:27 PM)
next time learn how to vote smarter people to run your country instead of blaming.
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Not blaming, but to remind and educate future ministers to be wary of Singkieland.
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QUOTE(RicoT @ Dec 13 2018, 04:08 PM)
Not blaming, but to remind and educate future ministers to be wary of Singkieland.
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