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post Dec 13 2018, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:50 AM)
Few hundred metres a bit different than the 2.5 km distance between seletar and pasir gudang. If you see the 3.5deg ILS guide slope, at this 2.5km mark planes will be generally 150m above, which isn't that bad.

Furthermore, airplanes are most efficient when taking off and landing against the wind. Forcing seletar to use only a single direction makes planes less efficient half the year when they have to land or take off with the wind.

Finally, planes coming from the North need to fly a bigger loop to the south before landing from the south.

And since Firefly is the only airline planned for seletar, we kecoh kecoh kecoh in the end our own airline is the one that suffers.
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They can't operate Selatar so having a white elephant airport is a bigger lost than the lost of a route.
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post Dec 13 2018, 11:00 AM

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sg just wanna be a bully

we have every right to deny usage of our airspace and we have no obligation to give reasons even

sg, u wanna do what also no problem, just use your own airspace
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post Dec 13 2018, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:50 AM)
Few hundred metres a bit different than the 2.5 km distance between seletar and pasir gudang. If you see the 3.5deg ILS guide slope, at this 2.5km mark planes will be generally 150m above, which isn't that bad.

Furthermore, airplanes are most efficient when taking off and landing against the wind. Forcing seletar to use only a single direction makes planes less efficient half the year when they have to land or take off with the wind.

Finally, planes coming from the North need to fly a bigger loop to the south before landing from the south.

And since Firefly is the only airline planned for seletar, we kecoh kecoh kecoh in the end our own airline is the one that suffers.
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the video from our MOT brings a simple brief on what the current situation. with that could you further think about the future? if this approved, with our own land at pasir gudang any high rise development will need discuss with Singapore and if that area developed to economic attack Singapore, do you think Singapore will say we will adjust the flight path? and more concerns. they moved our firefly to there is to leverage the talk deal, you ban the ILS, you risk your own firefly etc.
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post Dec 13 2018, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:50 AM)
Few hundred metres a bit different than the 2.5 km distance between seletar and pasir gudang. If you see the 3.5deg ILS guide slope, at this 2.5km mark planes will be generally 150m above, which isn't that bad.

Furthermore, airplanes are most efficient when taking off and landing against the wind. Forcing seletar to use only a single direction makes planes less efficient half the year when they have to land or take off with the wind.

Finally, planes coming from the North need to fly a bigger loop to the south before landing from the south.

And since Firefly is the only airline planned for seletar, we kecoh kecoh kecoh in the end our own airline is the one that suffers.
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in any implementation, not only this airport case, a considerate person without malicious intention will always prioritize a way that doesn't trouble other people to begin wit.
just like a considerate neighbor wont park his car wit half of the bonnet blocking ur drive way, regardless u hav car or no car at home.

question is y singapore cannot move the landing path close to their side, like loke suggested? y die die must intrude into pasir gudang air space? even SG MoT dun dare to answer this question, keep avoiding it.
& saying need a bigger loop is just bullshit.
it's not that much different in distance, plane circle the airport all the time bcoz they dint get the clearance to land yet.
there is so many factors like ur plane arrive early/late, the ground plane delay their take off, air strip too congested.........

if goes by the logic of "bigger loop" as argument point, take a look at the flight path of of the world.
y not argue to re-draw all the flight path to direct straight line?
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post Dec 13 2018, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:55 AM)
But they also bent over backwards to help us postpone HSR. Just as we are (probably) fully within our rights to ask SG to GTFO with their seletar ILS, they were also fully within their rights to ask us pay that 500m or whatever it was compensation. No?
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post Dec 13 2018, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Dec 13 2018, 10:58 AM)
They can't operate Selatar so having a white elephant airport is a bigger lost than the lost of a route.

Seletar airport was built in 1928 so it's not like SG really needs it. The only reason they wanted to open seletar to commercial traffic is to free up changi landing slots and berths to bigger planes, and move FireFly's smaller turboprops to seletar.

Let's say we bantah successfully, the end result is that SG just goes back to status quo and withdraws the ILS for seletar, but still tells firefly to GTFO anyway. Net loss for us.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:58 AM)
I think that's an interesting and key point, and one which I'm not sure what the reality is. Will we NEED to get approval, or will we just need to inform them then they have to ownself no choice increase the glide angle to compensate?
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look at water issue, you see how kiasu Singapore can be. Further more, we dont know what agreement that previous government signed.

We need to watch Singapore careful.
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post Dec 13 2018, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 10:50 AM)
Few hundred metres a bit different than the 2.5 km distance between seletar and pasir gudang. If you see the 3.5deg ILS guide slope, at this 2.5km mark planes will be generally 150m above, which isn't that bad.

Furthermore, airplanes are most efficient when taking off and landing against the wind. Forcing seletar to use only a single direction makes planes less efficient half the year when they have to land or take off with the wind.

Finally, planes coming from the North need to fly a bigger loop to the south before landing from the south.

And since Firefly is the only airline planned for seletar, we kecoh kecoh kecoh in the end our own airline is the one that suffers.
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This is the most stupid comment..!!!! our airspace and we need to bent down to sg?? the height restriction confirm will kena and do you know how much noise it will make when the flight is at so low???? beside firefly may be the only airline now, but whatabout future?? when you let them do it now, later confirm when you want build huge building in pasir Gudang definitely make noise !!! object this and that..!! our own land our space should be our to determine and not an outsider!!!!
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QUOTE(Aparaa @ Dec 13 2018, 11:01 AM)
You are a S'porean. Stop pretending

I am Malaysian, but I have personal interest in supporting seletar because its 5min drive from my place so I got easy journey to airport to take firefly back to KL 🤣

But having said that, my point here is that SG and MY - - are we allies or are we enemies? If we are friends then is there anything wrong with rationally standing in the middle and agreeing to give and take with each other if it doesn't really affect us much?

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doesnt fcking matter. u build an airport and the jets will fly over our airspace, and u say can adjust as needed?

why dont i park my car in front of ur porch when ur not home, and say i can move it as when needed?

fck off singapore

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 11:02 AM)
Seletar airport was built in 1928 so it's not like SG really needs it. The only reason they wanted to open seletar to commercial traffic is to free up changi landing slots and berths to bigger planes, and move FireFly's smaller turboprops to seletar.

Let's say we bantah successfully, the end result is that SG just goes back to status quo and withdraws the ILS for seletar, but still tells firefly to GTFO anyway. Net loss for us.
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if singapore wants to make life difficult for firefly, we can do the same for their flight. Remember Airasia commands huge traffic when comes to cheaper air rate.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 11:02 AM)
Seletar airport was built in 1928 so it's not like SG really needs it. The only reason they wanted to open seletar to commercial traffic is to free up changi landing slots and berths to bigger planes, and move FireFly's smaller turboprops to seletar.

Let's say we bantah successfully, the end result is that SG just goes back to status quo and withdraws the ILS for seletar, but still tells firefly to GTFO anyway. Net loss for us.
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Or they will just ask Firefly to go back Changi because their power play failed.
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post Dec 13 2018, 11:10 AM

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Sh!t singapore just adjust your flight path la. Bodoh people need yo use Malaysia airspace
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post Dec 13 2018, 11:14 AM

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What area of the airspace are they talking about?

Is air space (as shouted about by Mr Loke) and FIR the same?

FIR is basically distributed according to flight patterns and routes. Sg has a large FIR due to Changi being a large aviation hub.

You mean flights into Changi needs to be coordinated from Senai? Or Kl? That is like asking flights into KL to be coordinated from Yangon in Myanmar.

If there is collision how? Do we even have the competency to manage a larger area? Come on la. Those who know..know that info on MH370 real route came from a third country who has 24/7 scanning over our airspace. Our radats were not even working properly. That country is very very small...


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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 13 2018, 11:14 AM)
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What area of the airspace are they talking about?

Is air space (as shouted about by Mr Loke) and FIR the same? 

FIR is basically distributed according to flight patterns and routes. Sg has a large FIR due to Changi being a large aviation hub.

You mean flights into Changi needs to be coordinated from Senai? Or Kl? That is like asking flights into KL to be coordinated from Yangon in Myanmar.

If there is collision how? Do we even have the competency to manage a larger area? Come on la. Those who know..know that info on MH370 real route came from a third country who has 24/7 scanning over our airspace. Our radats were not even working properly. That country is very very small...
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you sure our radar not working properly ?
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post Dec 13 2018, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Dec 13 2018, 11:15 AM)
you sure our radar not working properly ?
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Go source old articles. It is for nothing tat we had to get new ones.

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post Dec 13 2018, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(asphiroth @ Dec 13 2018, 10:22 AM)
dont care, still support abam loke
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post Dec 13 2018, 11:19 AM

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It is clear to me that Mr Loke here is playing politiks. Slowly but surely..facts are coming out. Is there some issue internally in DAP?
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post Dec 13 2018, 11:20 AM

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/k was true

getting more sinkie people in forum now
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QUOTE(viole @ Dec 13 2018, 10:20 AM)
Wait, even if height doesnt matter, the air space still under ours? Or theirs?
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