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 Singapork say Anthony Loke penipu scammer, So how?

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SUStikaram
post Dec 13 2018, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 02:56 PM)
Well, the thing is that even without the ILS, singapore was managing that airspace, and private planes have been approaching over pasir gudang for literally decades liao and Malaysia nv had any problems with it.

Then a year ago SG says oh hi Malaysia, this arrangement that we have for the last 20 years, I wanna extend it to commercial air traffic too, you OK right?

Then fast forward another year and just before SG publishes the ILS then only we bantah. They probably also like dafug why you never bantah earlier? Some more we been announcing the opening of seletar airport and the moving of firefly there for many months before this.

Of course when we bantah they should have cancelled the plans to formally publish the ILS, but our side we also should have bantah way earlier.
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Actually malaysia never said no to selectar airport commercial.

Just that we want Singapore to cancel the publised ( 1 Dec 2018) of ISL that eating Johor

This post has been edited by tikaram: Dec 13 2018, 02:13 PM
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(viole @ Dec 13 2018, 10:20 AM)
Wait, even if height doesnt matter, the air space still under ours? Or theirs?
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indeed
why they sound like we need to agree to them

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post Dec 13 2018, 02:09 PM

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singkie not reli care about the aerospace i guess. the minister cant be that clueless. likely have hidden agenda where they just want to cripple the pasir gudang development as they see that as a threat to their sinking port.
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Dec 13 2018, 02:05 PM)
Actually malaysia never said no to selectar airport commercial.

Just that we want  Singapore to cancel the publised of ILS that eating Johor

Maybe it would be good to have someone in aviation industry to chip in. Is ILS mandatory for launching commercial operations? Does it mean that without ILS the runway will be no go every time there is heavy rain or low clouds?
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QUOTE(ahchun @ Dec 13 2018, 02:07 PM)
indeed
why they sound like we need to agree to them

Because we DID agree to them many many many years ago (with ICAO) when we allowed them to manage that part of our airspace.
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 02:18 PM)
So who correct now, Anthony Loke or Singapork MoT?

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/expla..._13122018_today

Basically SG said that all along:
- Flight path doesn't affect any existing structure also, and
- Malaysia bagi tau je whenever got plans to build higher structures then SG will adjust the flight path accordingly.
Additional points:
- Edge of pasir gudang is 2.5km from edge of runway, which implies safety height buffer of 78.1m.
- Current ILS glide slope is 3.5deg. In comparison, London City Airport glide slope is 5.5deg.
- If Singapork increase glide slope to 5.5deg then height buffer is 123.0m @ 2.5km, 148.1m @ 3km, and 296.3m @ 6km
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after watching so maany series of gundam, i wonder why the world still hasnt started on developing catapult technology and we still requires runway...

what could be so hard? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Artak @ Dec 13 2018, 02:12 PM)
after watching so maany series of gundam, i wonder why the world still hasnt started on developing catapult technology and we still requires runway...

It is cost constraints rather than technological ones. Catapults and arresting cables been available for decades liao on carriers, so technology is there to adapt to passenger planes.

However the cost of strengthening/adapting airplanes, passengers, airport runways etc is presumably much more expensive than to just build a longer runway, so nobody does it.
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Dec 13 2018, 10:44 AM)
Let singkipor planes approach from thier airspace. Why fly over Pasir Gudang?

My Vietnam Saigon office is directly under the Tan Son Nhat approach flight path a few hundred metres from the runway....and they fly over at only a few hundred feet. Rattles the windows each time a plane comes in for landing.

Local residents may be used ton it, but I still get unnerved seeing how close the aircraft is overhead
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You at saigon ?
My office at lvl 22 of Saigon Centre 😅
COme here play 2
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 06:14 PM)
It is cost constraints rather than technological ones. Catapults and arresting cables been available for decades liao on carriers, so technology is there to adapt to passenger planes.

However the cost of strengthening/adapting airplanes, passengers, airport runways etc is presumably much more expensive than to just build a longer runway, so nobody does it.
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hmm... u might be onto somehing there...
we need to develop maglev technology for parallel pushing power so we dont have to reinforce the planes... hmm.gif
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 13 2018, 02:11 PM)
Because we DID agree to them many many many years ago (with ICAO) when we allowed them to manage that part of our airspace.
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Hi Mr Deodorant

What exactly is that part of our airspace?

ICOAs FIR map shows perhaps only a sliver of airspace under their air traffic control.

If so, what is ruckus really about?
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Dec 13 2018, 02:00 PM)
many pipul here and in sinkie forums thought

dulu so peaceful, why trouble now?

Tg Pagar & Kranji land, swapped for two blocks of towers at Marina South (reclaimed land)
water issue, non negotiable
Batu Puteh, given to SG
Tuas Port southwards extension and reclamation over a decade, SG no give fucuk to Msian 1976 claim
southern Johor airspace, amik lah SG pakai untuk RSAF
VEP hike, they can do it we cannot reciprocate
Causeway demolition to extend capacity, SG No msia Yes
Delays at SG CIQ and stringent checks on vehicles and cargo going into SG - Yes
Delays at MY CIQ - hardly except long weekends in SG

peaceful indeeeeed
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water issue - contract havent end ...apa mahu nego?
batu puteh was according to international court...apa given ?
tuas port..if extension within their boundary apa salah?
vep hike...that is their internal issue...nth to do with malaysia
delay in SQ CIQ , stringent checks...apa salah?
delay in my ciq, u got see malaysia custom check..malas siuttttt
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(RicoT @ Dec 13 2018, 10:38 AM)
Water deal is a history should be taught to all Malaysians, leaders and ministers, keep reminding them as text book example on Singkieland underhand tactic with the water deal.
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next time learn how to vote smarter people to run your country instead of blaming.
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Dec 13 2018, 02:23 PM)
water issue - contract havent end ...apa mahu nego?
batu puteh was according to international court...apa given ?
tuas port..if extension within their boundary apa salah?
vep hike...that is their internal issue...nth to do with malaysia
delay in SQ CIQ , stringent checks...apa salah?
delay in my ciq, u got see malaysia custom check..malas siuttttt
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Well said
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:30 PM

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ask singapork! ini bumi siapa punya!!!!!
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:33 PM

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post Dec 13 2018, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(drM_neverwrong @ Dec 13 2018, 02:33 PM)
Why Malaysian Chinese produce so many successful businessman, accountants, professionals?

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Also produce biggest scammer Jho Low
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(drM_neverwrong @ Dec 13 2018, 02:33 PM)
Why Malaysian Chinese produce so many successful businessman, accountants, professionals?

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most of them are not in politics, and we all know why.
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:40 PM

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if you don't know how to manage your <insert>, someone else will do on your behalf.

<insert> = water, air space, country, money.
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post Dec 13 2018, 02:48 PM

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can be adjust later ?
ha ha ha
means infuture any thing we build there must get the approval ?

stupid singapore mot

later they expand the airport allowe airbus 380 boeing 777 then the height limit become wider



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Mai189
post Dec 13 2018, 03:10 PM

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How? Does anyone know the so called air space managed by Sg? Where? Size?

Funny la..korang can discuss like experts.

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