guys i'm about to change my 4 tires, my tire size is 225/50R17, now i'm on Michelin Primacy 3ST with maybe 20% thread left, i want to try UHP tires for a change, i still miss the feeling given by michelin Pilot Preceda many years ago
after some research, here's my options and finding

1) pilot sport 4 - not very keen on this,its the most costly option and while it grips well the tire had soft side walls that doesn't give good steering feedback,its like a good touring tire that happened to have excellent grips from what i read

2) falken FK510 - heard good review internationally, but not enough feedback from local kaki yet, good wet and dry performance, good price,made in japan, the only thing is the thread pattern doesn't look pretty

3) continental MC6 - locally made tires, about the same price with fk510, thread pattern looks ok but lack feedback locally

4) bridgestone RE003 - from what i read its the best tire for my taste, excellent steering feedback,excellent dry handling(many reported acceptable wet handling too),very aggressive big block thread pattern,the bummer is its almost as costly as PS4 at this size

5) hankook V12E2 - seems to be forummers favourite here when price were consider, but falken and conti aint that much more expensive than hankook offering

i'm biased towards FK510 at this moment, what you guys think

This post has been edited by Valentino46: Dec 2 2018, 10:42 PM

Conti MC6 not the same league as others I think.

I think PS4 is the best. Can say it wins in almost all roundup/shootout reviews over the internet. E.g.: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2018-...P-Tyre-Test.htm
I'm not sure if our PS4 is diff than theirs. But I know our RE003 is not same as Japanese made. I had a set of RE003 before, it's very good for dry handling. But it wears out quite fast and the wet handling is very bad once getting into worn out state (~30%)

i watched many written and video reviews of PS4, while it wins many shootout but i can't help noticed many of the reviewers had to carefully choose their words when giving their opinion about ps4,objectively ps4 score well but they don't seems to be very impressed on the subjective feeling for that tire
its the complete opposite when reading the re003 (and firestone fire hawk indy 500 i think its the same tire) review

If you're inclined with the fk510, no harm trying it.

As you mentioned not much noise about local kakis, well of course, because it was launched only few months ago.

Some more, the reputation of falken isn't the best in perception in local market, even tyre shops also have some reservation about falken.

Some fellors just got to be the "guinea pig", if you do change to fk510, do share it here

PS4 is still the best if budget is high enough. The sidewall is actually stiffer than the previous PS3 as Michelin attempts to bring back that more sporty feel that some complained a bit lost in PS3. Honestly of all reviews I read on PS4, I couldn't recall any that said it has soft sidewall except once when it was compared against the more aggressive and also much more expensive PS4S! I have also tested it myself and for me it's fine, actually a very good balance between comfort yet still sporty and excellent grip performance.

If soft sidewall, it's the V12E2. It's also the best value for money as it's the cheapest but if you like hard sidewall then it won't suite you even though actually it still provides very good performance in both dry and wet. I bought this for my son's Swift Sport btw.

FK510 has a hard sidewall so it might suite you. Between this and RE003, I will take this FK510 anytime because it should have much better wet performance which is also important in Malaysia, plus it should last longer too than RE003.

MC6 I'm not sure coz no reviews, seems like not true UHP but who knows, might actually be very good too.

So in summary I think the FK510 should be your best bet. Price is also similar to RE003 or MC6, maybe even cheaper a bit. But again if you have the budget I don't think you'd go wrong with PS4 either.

for my size...the re003 cost 520 per donut while the best price i got for ps4 was 540, at this price level its hard to justify for re003 honestly
anybody can chimp in the price of v12e2 for my size,i can't seems to find the price online for this size
i'm swaying back to ps4 slightly now,maybe on the even level with fk510
MC6 actually looks ok base on thread appearance,but we know it means nothing when it comes to actual performance,i'll wait for a few more opinion before i deciding on which to get

V12E2 for that size should be around rm350/pc
Fk510 is around rm400/pc.
Re003 & Mc6 should be around rm450/pc. 520 for Re003 is too expensive, or maybe now not many stocks for that size?

thanks bro,the price i got is from lazada, there i found mc6 for 406 and re003 for 520

try mudah.my

phone number usually found on the listing, straight call to clarify if got further queries.

Currently use pilot sport 4 same size like u. 8th gen accord.

Way better than primacy series and conti max contact I use previously, but only if u use it to the max. If u drive like unker only 110kmh on highway and slowdown to 70kmh during rain, u will not really felt the differences as compared to primacy series.

Btw, cant comment on other tyre u listed since never use it. On pilot sport 4, its the best tyre I use. Driving 160kmh to 180kmh, and slowdown back to 110kmh, can feel tyre grip the road really good. Its bite aggressively compared to primacy series. On higher speed also, it felt more planted. During wet, I always slow down and never push it,so not really felt differences.

And ya, last time I ask, 225/50r17 around that price. I change for rm530. Dunno why this tyre range so expensive. Compared to 215/45r17 u can easily get ps4 around 400 plus.

Maybe u can follow tyre expert advise here. Settle with hankook since it bring good value for money or try conti mc6 since I heard it is leaps and bound as compared to mc5.

Did not aware u incline towards fk510. Better take this if u dont take ps4 as u said this is same price with mc6. As I felt this tyre better than mc6. Do update here with price if u bought fk510. I keen to try this tyre. Ps4 is bloody expensive, I felt want to try value for money tyre for my next change. Either hankook or this falken.

This post has been edited by DS51: Dec 4 2018, 07:06 PM

exactly,dunno why this size tend to be more expensive,even my previous e90 225/45R17 size is noticeably cheaper and had more choice.
your experience is especially valuable to me because from what i read i can sense that people who tried ps4 didn't really express that wow factor they get with the tire, its like primacy with more grip thats all. for that kinda price i really want something thats very different to primacy,otherwise i could just get primacy 4 for 430/pc or primacy 3st for 340/pc.

i felt tires like re003 and fk510 will be more suited to this car front double wishbone set up, i think the chassis had good handling potential and stiffer tire will really improve the steering feel and precision, maybe at the cost of its ride comfort, this car is already quite stiff to begin with.

one question,did your car become more bumpy and noisier changing from primacy to ps4?

This post has been edited by Valentino46: Dec 6 2018, 04:03 AM

you will never regret if u go ps4... for re003 the thread finishing quite fast and during rain u just need to drive very slow.. the grip is mehh.... that the 2 tires i used before so i only can comment on this 2...

I'm on my 2nd set of PS4 and moved from 225/45/17 to 225/40/18 with a rim change. At 17 it was super grippy, quiet and goes round corners well. At 18 even more feedback from the road, surer turn and handling.
On the same day my friend went for the FK510 (245 front, 265 rear) on his Merc SL340. So far he loves it, was quoted close to RM1k cheaper than Michelin PS4 as a package.
I'll definitely consider FK on my next set of tires

yea,for the latest 2018 summer tire review, tirereview uk put the fk510 in 3rd recommendation behind PS4S(not PS4) and conti SC6,which i always thought they're from totally different category as PS4S and SC6 were viewed to be more extreme

This post has been edited by Valentino46: Dec 8 2018, 05:19 PM

Bumpy- I feel my ride more firm but not until I feel annoying or harsh on b roads. U will get used to it very very quickly. It is a good trade off for superior handling and shorter braking distance as compared to primacy.

Noise- My car which is 8th gen is noisy at the first place. I believe there is differences between primacy and pilot sport series but I dont really notice it as wind noise is more dominant compared to tyre noise especially when car drove above 110kmh.

Btw, this comparison is between primacy 3st and ps4, primacy 4 just launched, not yet try and not really keen to try. Maybe will try Falken after this due to good feedback above. Especially in term of Price. Michelin jual mahal with their PS4 line up, All ps4 tyre range price is upmarket/premium compared to other tyre manufacturer. If Falken FK510 is good maybe will stick to that tyres, otherwise need to change back into ps4.

People who says that is because they don't know how to push their cars properly to test the tires. Read reviews from reputable professional reviewers then those are more dependable.

Tyre review UK has done comparison between PS4S and PS4 and the difference is very marginal. In fact in the hands of average drivers, the PS4 can be easier to drive consistently fast in the wet. So PS4 is already the best choice.

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Dec 9 2018, 01:53 PM

for my 2 cents i'll think we should take into consideration both professional reviewers and real consumers feedback,while consumer feedback do lack professional highly control testing environment and driving skills to properly test the tires;big corporation like michelin had huge marketing budget to play with and can possibly give more incentive to reviewers to encourage good verdict,its naive to say this kinda businesses practice does not exist
besides if professional review are the be all end all information we'll need to rely on,whats the point of having forum to discuss?just take professional words for it,they are professional ma

That's why I said read from reputable ones, those who usually do properly measured comparisons using real tests and tools and not just subjective feel, for example Auto Express UK. Then take like an average from those. For example is PS4 very often comes out on top or at least in the top 5 of most such comparison reviews so it should be a good bet to try.

For random consumers feedback, I can only consider on durability and noise aspects which are the least important criterias for me personally. Even that I take it with a pinch of salt, so I don't value them too highly to be honest. I do take input from people who I know as good drivers though, but I don't read reviews from any random blokes out there.

eagle f1 asymmetric 5

will probably take a year to arrive at our shore

Currently I'm using assy 2, which to me one of the best compare to other during that time(PS3, Hankook S1 Evo etc) although i havent get a chance to try re002

Yeah the Goodyear F1 series are excellent all rounder UHP tires, closely matching up to Michelin Pilot Sport series. The thing is with the Assy treads, many of the cuts are shallow so they quickly turn bald looking almost like real F1 grooved tires from a decade ago! 😂 The other thing is they're still made in Germany or Europe so the prices are high, can be higher than the already expensive PS4 coz PS4 is already made in Thailand hence a bit more affordable. Finally F1A are never available in our market in under 17' size while PS3/4 have. Btw I'm also about to finish my F1A2 shortly. The F1A5 might take sometime before available in our market. Patterns still looks very similar to previous ones.

Skipped 4 straight go 5? Didn't know the europeans also have this sort of pantang....really so desperate want to one up michelin ps4 because now generation 5??

If pattern similar, that means more of a compound update, then the more "melodrama" to skip 4??!!

Maybe compound and construction. Yeah like CSC, jump from 3 to 5, not sure why.

well i guess if they intend to sell at asian market they had to know about that kinda pantang

But michelin ps4 still sells so damn well....

Not to mention the playstation 4....

maybe they'll sell even more if they skip and gone straight to 5, lol just speculating
from business point of view there's no harm to skip numbers, some company just play safe probably

Btw speaking of GY F1, now they also release the Super Sport series!

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/The-n...Sport-Range.htm

Wow.. but what took them so long? Goodyear is quite behind in the UUHP to be honest..

Yeah but granted their F1A2/3 have been doing a respectable job for them in the so called max category comparisons so maybe that's why they didn't feel the need yet.

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Dec 20 2018, 09:27 AM

Thus, finally which tyre u went with?

no idea at the moment,there's literally zero local owner reviews regarding the few tires that i shortlisted,
i'm heavily leaning towards fk510 and proxes cf2(new candidates) but there's still about 3mm thread left on my tires at this moment so i'll take my own sweet time

gotten the turanza T005A at 350 bucks a piece yesterday
let it scrub in for a few days i'll be giving my initial impression

Hahaha after asking all those UHP, end up only getting mid range category. 😌

well just because someone asked doesn't mean they get satisfactory amount of information to decide, I'll have to operate base on what i know,there's almost zero user feedback from many of the uhp tire i included, so i just pick the safer and good deal option.
rather be contented with cheap choice than to be disappointed with expensive high wearing hard riding tire that may not delivered the result expected

Well at least there are already so many good feedback on V12E2, and at rm350/pc it's also about the same price as your lower category T005A and yet it's surely the better performing tire in almost every way. Anyway tire bought already so no point coz cannot turn back so case closed. 😁

honestly i see you're the only one who strongly promote v12e2 everywhere, so much so i thought you're hankook dealer
the uk review had mixed to bad comment bout them and i had some bad experience with hankook in the past so yeah, sorry for not buying into your opinion

This post has been edited by Valentino46: Mar 9 2019, 03:51 PM

Not just me la, got several others also and we're all end users too. Same case with PS4. Sure the UK review had negative points but you need to see the negatives was relative compared to what tires?? All top level tires with super expensive prices (PS4S, Continental ECS, Pirelli Pz4, F1A3)! Nevermind bro, we're just suggesting based on what we know best, up to everyone to accept or not, we don't really care coz not our money nor our cars. 😂 I have suggested T005 before too on certain cases so not that it's a bad tire, just not best value for money I think. If you had bad experience a before with certain Hankook models then yeah, I understand that might be hard to ignore too. Maybe in turn you can share to us what was the bad experience and with which model? That could be helpful for everyone so take note. Sharing is caring, that's what forums like this are for actually.

Is a wise choice bro , the T005A is the new flagship model in Bridgestone’s Turanza range of touring tyres, which might not be high performance like potenza series , but its still on par with michelin primacy series now todate , comfort and quite ride =)

Hankook dealer? I dont think so ...

actually i went with T005a ultimately because its the only tire i really tested here,i know what to expect,i test drove the new camry that's factory fitted with 18 inch T005a,the steering feel is great but not hard at the same time,granted its only one dimensional data point as its impossible to drive another camry with different tire,but i like what i felt so far
value wise,i see some value with bridgestone being a first tier tire manufacturer,right up there with michelin pirelli,while hankook is a mid range manufacturer,but on the flipside V12e2 being UHP belong to a more expensive category,so i guess it evens out with Turanza touring tire more or less in term of value.
the real valuable feedback here for me is DS51 comment who was using PS4 but say cannot feel anything at lower speed compare to primacy,and that's the no.1 de facto UHP tire already,if so what can i expect from no.3 or 4 or 5 ranking UHP tire and i predominantly drive at legal speed
nuances is the keyword here,i'm not looking for ultimate grip as i'm not trying to break any lap records,i just miss the sharp turn in,very direct steering feel from michelin pp2,you can feel the grip even in low speed driving,it really spices up the driving experience without going bat shit crazy with speed.
honestly i can't remember the hankook model,it was 2011 i'm not very tire savvy at that time, but all my four relatively new hankook tire bloated after just one trip up and down cameron highland,and 3 tires totally lost pressure the next day,but yeah,should not generalize the whole hankook line up base on just one low end model but there's so many brand to choose from why want to risk it again
so that's my thought process,nothing personal,just being rational

This post has been edited by Valentino46: Mar 10 2019, 03:55 PM

Well like I have mentioned before somewhere, don't entirely believe what any random bloke review. You actually don't know them, so have to take it with a pinch of salt. Should read more reputable professional reviews because they are more well equipped and experienced to provide more reliable feedback. FYI during our car club latest gathering, a couple of guys did some burn outs and donuts, and guess what, the guy using PS4 was having a tough time coz his tires grip so much better that he almost failed to even do 1 burn out! 😂

Hmm horrible experience, then very much understandable that you become allergic to it. Luckily the V12E2 on my son's car are still very good, no issues whatsoever. My wife's one were also on V12E2 and were fine until they went bald.

how far can v12e2 last until go bald? thinking to swap this tire after my current mc5 done.. or maybe fk510 but have to choose lower profile.. from 215/50/17 to 225/45/17..

Roughly around 40+k km depending how you drive and how heavy is the car.

fk510 has good wear rate for a UHP as far as i read online

How bout the tire for hankook s1 noble2, Federal evo st1?

Is hankook good

S1 Noble 2 is Hankook's mid range model, just decent and nothing special.

Depends on the models. The good ones are V12 Evo 2, or S1 Evo 2 and 3.

In the end got the v12 evo 2.

Good choice. What size and how much?

225/45r17 rm340/pc. Change all 4 wif free alignment n balancing

Hmm expensive. You're outside of Klang Valley, are you?

Penang's price also same.
225/45/R17 = rm340
215/45/R17 = rm320

I'm aslo in dilemma which size to choose as currently at 215/45/R17 from original 205/55/R16.
My tires are due for a change as well.

Since I seldom drive during weekdays, only weekends drive, should I maintain at 215/45/R17 or 225/45/R17?
Please advise. Thks.

At klang Valley. Change in Gombak area. Another shop tat I asked was 330 but at Setia Alam. In the end Gombak coz nearer

You should use 225/45/17 coz it's the closest diameter conversion from your original size.

At Setia Alam, should be rm300 or less for that size like below example:
https://www.mudah.my/Tayar+baru+hankook+v12...17-74155788.htm

Darn it. I got message this shop asking whether got the size n the price. As well as any other tyre for the size. Only replied dayton... Sad.. Well already change can't do much. So far the tyre is superb. Went up Genting twice also quite grippy though din full throttle

This post has been edited by cslai89: Apr 15 2019, 10:35 PM

I bought mine at that shop.
Yeah the performance is as expected of a good UHP tire category.

Too bad the falken fk510 not available. Called a few shop which got show falken on their board but all no stock. Dunno y. Got 1 shop got 4 but already got ppl book. Hahahaha. So went for 2nd option which is the evo2. Though the fk510 is 350/pc which is more exp

FK510 is better so ok for that price. I'm considering that tire for my next change.

Ya. I feel that way at lower speed on dry road. But on wet condition, ps4 feel grippy even on lower speed. Can feel it can push further. But I always drive slow during rain. So not really an issue.

But at rm350 very value for money. T005 is like a very premium touring tyre. Same like newer primacy 4. But primacy 4 last time I check, they qoute rm460 for our size. Crazy. My ps4 I change is rm530. Next time must go to bukit kemuning change.

Recently got info, michelin increase price few bucks. Already expensive dei lgi mau price hike.

But our size indeed expensive. Even lousy tyre like gy nct5 also charge 300plus. Lol. So u pay 350 is like a steal. That hankook v12 evo also very good for money. But dont be sad, I believe in term of comfort t005 won.

Overall best tyre in term of performance without sacrifice too much comfort of course ps4. But price freaking expensive. Any ps4 size is damn expensive. Lol. Michelin really cash in a lot of money with their ps4 tyre.

Walaweh. So rich nia try to burn out ps4. I want to drive fast all the way also sayang. Ps4 bloody expensive wo. Lol.

We're just having fun. One or two burn outs won't wear out too much on street tires.

May I know which shop you asked in Penang? I'm looking for hankook in Penang too but don't know which shop to go to

i changed to 225/45/17 v12 hankook for 290 per piece, same price? all i can say this tire better in every aspect compare to mc5.. less body roll is most noticeable..

The shop I asked was Akina Tyre(Kulim).
For Penang, you can ask from Jazz Tyre & Auto, beside to Min Shin School, opposite SPICE.

Worth the slight extra because fk510 have reinforced sidewalls yet slightly lower road noise (1db lower than v12evo2).

So which tyre managed perform to burn out?

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Apr 18 2019, 10:53 AM

Landsail! 😂

Alright. Thanks!

hahaha...literally sailing on land

Exactly! 😂

Changed to MC6

Best tyres ever.

Old thread, the V12E2 is not available anymore and RE003 should change to RE004 now, plus got new player Goodyear F1S.