Hi, currently I am a normal IPS monitor user. However, I start to feel the ghosting when play FPS games.
Since I am going to build another desktop, I am planning to shift the existing monitor (maybe graphic card also) to the new setup and upgrade existing rig.
Feel want to give a try on those gaming monitor. Currently have i7-3770k system with GTX 670.
I did some homework and found out that good IPS monitor with high refresh rate (>100Hz) is costly. My budget at the moment ~ RM1k
Below are some shortlisted choices that need your inputs/ user experience. You may suggest other alternatives which are good option too.

1. AOC G2460PF
2. BenQ XL2411P
3. Viewsonic XG2402
4. Viewsonic VX2758-C-MH
5. Asus VG248QE
6. Asus MG248Q (like no people sell anymore)
7. Asus VG258Q
8. Acer XF240H
9. Acer KG251QF (recommended at oversea but cant find in Malaysia)
10. Acer Nitro VG240Y (review not good due to poor panel quality, those colour/contrast ratio etc review)

Another question to clarify. As far as I know, monitor still giving 144Hz high refresh rate if I am using Nvidia card that cannot be utilize for Free-sync right?

Your feedback is appreciated and welcomed.

This post has been edited by Holyjolly: Nov 3 2018, 09:24 AM

If nvidia buy g sync. But g sync is usually a bit more expensive than freesync. U won’t get 144hz if u use nvidia with freesync
Then again with ur spec I won’t suggest upgrading monitor. Upgrade ur gpu first

This post has been edited by vasculio82: Nov 3 2018, 09:33 AM

It's about suitable specs for your use. If your system push out only 80 fps, then you wont make use of 144 Hz panels and should look at 75Hz panels instead. Else you might actually have microstutters, with same image being shown over more than one refresh on the monitor (if your eyes can see all the 144 Hz). Nowadays 100Hz and 120Hz monitors are pretty much none-existent, so probably need to upgrade your GPU for best results above 144Hz (or push game settings down).

So my suggestion is check FPS for your games then decide on which refresh is best for you. Meanwhile, I have seen Acer XF240H and it looks pretty good to me.

For your additional question, your cards will display a lot of frames, but require suitable adaptive sync protocols (G-sync or freesync) to work with the monitor to smooth out the frames

I dont understand, lets say fps about 60, if I use 144hz monitor, I'll see "microstutter"(what is microstutter)?

Wont the 144hz monitor scale down the hz to match fps 60?

Then another game fps 100, the 144hz monitor would scale down to match fps 100 right?

This post has been edited by DuitNow: Nov 3 2018, 04:38 PM

Yes, maybe I will upgrade graphic card in the future maybe to GTX 1070. I only play dota2 and CSGO at the moment. CSGO able to give about 200 FPS on existing graphic card and setting. Won’t the monitor follow the FPS given by the graphic card? 144Hz performance is the ability of the Monitor hardware it self right? Or it require free sync to push out the frame?

This post has been edited by Holyjolly: Nov 3 2018, 05:14 PM

Some information in the first 2 minutes of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ey-KObDABI

Quick summary:
When your fps is much lower than monitor refresh, you can get stutters

When your fps is much higher than monitor refresh, you can get screen tearing

How much is much? It depends on the game, the monitor and your ability to see the glitches...


Watch that clip also. As mentioned, with high fps, you might run into screen tearing... that is where you need vsync or adaptive vsync technology (freesync or g-sync) to keep things in check

Typically you wont get issues while capping fps at 60 and using a 60 Hz monitor.

This post has been edited by mbr: Nov 4 2018, 05:17 PM

Sorry for tumpang.

which monitor should I get, AOC G2460PG or Dell S2417DG for my Ryzen 5 2600x & GTX 1070? both got Gsync but the AOC is 1080p while Dell 1440p.

Hmm... GTX1070 more suitable for 1080p high frame rates, then gsync would make it great.

Using the 1440p monitor at 1080p might produce black bars in unused areas

If you plan to upgrade your GPU next time (GTX1080 or better) then can consider 1440p gaming.

With your current processor, hitting 100fps with ultra settings for latest titles will be tough but turn some settings down should help a lot.

Thanks for the reply. My intention from the start is to play at 1080p but the only monitor with Gsync that I could afford is the AOC G2460PG. The thing is I do not know how good is this monitor. The reviews seems to indicate that it needs quite a calibration. Thus further search I stumbled upon the dell S2417DG but that is native 1440p hence the question above.

I also look at Benq XL2536 and XL2340t but those do not have Gsync (XL2536 do have dysc though).

What games are you playing and what frame rates are you getting? Outside of monitor range would cause screen tearing, etc.

This post has been edited by mbr: Nov 7 2018, 09:55 PM

Viewsonic XG2402

Well, most of the games that I have are old ones (Left4Dead 2, Chivalry medieval warfare, unreal tournament, company of heroes, sim city 4, rise of nations etc) and some new ones like CS-GO and PUBG
Currently using samsung syncmaster 2243 and I'm not sure what frame rates I got.

Yes, been thinking about that monitor as well. Seems pretty solid.

Yes, that 2402 is solid. That's why it's on our signature, but do check out other models too.

Do you have monitors that have Gsync?

As solid as it is I wish it don't have those red accents, just industrial matte black would be just nice.

Something I learnt today. AOC G2460PG actually have 3 versions. Version 10A is the one mostly reviewed and it is the best one. Version 10B is the inferior one and 10C is probably decent but cannot beat 10A one.
difference between 10A and the other two is that version 10A got that crosshair icon on the bezel while the others do not. Bad news is that the pictures shown on online sites are those without crosshair icon.

Oh, AOC just happen to release AOC G2460PG-2 which got 180hz refresh rate.

Bummer

Only one model which is the XG2703-GS

but AOC G2460PG is like very hard to find in Malaysia. I never come across the 3 versions even from the internet reviews. But i read there is inferior/performance issue with the panel and they stop producing it because Nvidia have some tight requirement for the panel quality in order to pair with Gsync module.

I think Predator or ROG is more welcomed here.

27 inch. I'm more like 24 inch monitor guy

Well, thundermatch online do sell that monitor in shopee and the picture shown led me to believe is the inferior one. The ones that appear in the reviews are the 10A ones which are better. Seems that the monitors are old already. They sell those at RM1609. As for the Predator and ROG, they are way out of my budget. So for now I'm considering BenQ XL2536 as one of the alternatives. Others probably will be viewsonic xg2402 or Asus VG258Q or the equivalent.

Bro, your situation same as me. Let's share info together. I am eyeing on the Viewsonic XG2402 also but it is without Gsync.
For AOC G2460PG like been around since year 2014. I think I saw them in Lingloong & Etech PC monitor thread. Maybe you can explore it with them?
I think you can look on the Predator XB252Q (TN panel, 240Hz, Gsync) that i come across on yesterday. I think around RM1.8K. Not sure this brand got 24", 144Hz with Gsync or not.]
I think Predator XB241H also have similar price at 144hz, overclock to 160Hz

This post has been edited by Holyjolly: Nov 11 2018, 03:35 PM

many ppl said TN panel is way better than ips for 144hz gsync.

TN panel is more common cause it is cheaper technology and suitable for high refresh rate. But it has its own disadvantage in terms of quality such as viewing angle, colour etc..
IPS is the best. if got budget go for IPS. I think many brand is developing high Hz for IPS. But they are expensive.

yes i know. i own few ips monitor as i am editor.

but for gaming, ips is optional. unless super rich and have extra money no idea where to spent.

IPS for gaming is overrated.

Agree with you bro. Depends on individual preference. we can have two station for editing and gaming.
For FPS player, I think speed is important over the graphic.
I have experienced high Hz screen on yesterday, it do help me a lot. I am still ok with the colour quality of TN panel.
I am poisoned.
Now it is just a matter of Gsync or not...

This post has been edited by Holyjolly: Nov 12 2018, 01:19 PM

New generation TN panel not like old, their viewing angle and colors are nice for gaming.

Gaming doesn't require color accuracy.

Agree. I have not come across the Gsync yet. Does it play an important role in bringing significant effect to our eyes?

I don't feel any difference with Sync technologies.

I've used AMD card on Nvidia monitor and vice versa, nope didn't make a difference to me.

VR je

Didnt use any sync yet. I do noticed tearing on my games for Dell U2414H at V-Sync 60hz. Considering Acer XB271HU now.

I didn't game on my U2414H for a long time now. What game was it that you saw tearing?

Pretty much any 3D game. I looked really hard for tearing. Currently back playing World of Warcraft.

have you found any good price for XB271HU yet?

RM2.4k so far

https://shopee.com.my/ACER-XB271HU-bmiprz-2...08462.221040725

hmm. Viewnet selling RM2399 the last i checked yesterday. don't think with free gift though

still thinking if i should wait for more reduction

p/s: sorry for hijacking

coming from VA and TN panel to IPS XB271hu cant really say I would ever go back .

The colors are so much different

Its like LCD jumping to IPS LED for me. I will never go back.

It is ok. Open discussion is good for knowledge.
Hey guys, give me a hand to pick your recommended monitors from the list that I have made on 1st page. But I think the 3 below are having higher chance.

1. AOC G2460PF
2. BenQ XL2411P
3. Viewsonic XG2402

This post has been edited by Holyjolly: Nov 14 2018, 10:42 AM

I think you've missed the point entirely.

You see, IPS panels are one thing but color accuracy is never a requirement for gaming.

And if you've bought an IPS screen......... good, that doesn't mean it's accurate either, many people assume IPS = accurate, it's not. You have to calibrate it, it has supposedly wider color gamut that doesn't make it accurate.

As for the TN part - have you tried the good ones? If you come from low-grade VA / TN, certainly there will be difference but that's not to say all TN / VA are bad. Even IPS have low-grade ones.

I can tell you, I'm an IPS person for ages, always have been insisting IPS for my screen as I use it for my work but last year when I got the Alienware AW2518H - totally floored me, that's not the TN panel I know.

However new generation TN panels are really nice, nowadays I game with TN panel - works great, can't tell the difference anyway, not unless I view it side by side. I use VA panels for video work before, no issue. Same goes to my HTPC 4K screen, VA panel.

For the AOC G2460PG I had to search at pcpartpicker or any reviews that showcased the monitor without crossfire icon. Still, I am unsure whether to get it or not. Etech pc do have stock but lingloong need to order. Besides paying RM1695 for entry level gsync monitor makes me cringe. My friends are against getting acer due to their experiences with customer service so I kept that on hold.

I have a gtx 1070. I expect most games will run about 70-120 ish FPS so any monitor regardless of sync will be fine correct?

I would pick the viewsonic. Seems that its the best among those monitors.

Maybe I should get that alienware instead. Looked very nice. The pricing for freesync version is also decent.

For the AOC G2460PG I had to search at pcpartpicker or any reviews that showcased the monitor without crossfire icon. Still, I am unsure whether to get it or not. Etech pc do have stock but lingloong need to order. Besides paying RM1695 for entry level gsync monitor makes me cringe. My friends are against getting acer due to their experiences with customer service so I kept that on hold.

I have a gtx 1070. I expect most games will run about 70-120 ish FPS so any monitor regardless of sync will be fine correct?

I would pick the viewsonic. Seems that its the best among those monitors.

Maybe I should get that alienware instead. Looked very nice. The pricing for freesync version is also decent.

That AOC G2460PG is the cheapest Gsync model among all already. But that price still high in malaysia. Oversea price got reduction since it is old model.
Basically we can say we need to top up another RM600-800 for the Gsync.
Do you mean Dell Alienware AW2518HF? I see most of them can over RM2k, cheapest RM1.8k for 240Hz freesync.
But looks cool tho. The bezel & futuristic design. I think the pricing is falling on the Predator range.

This post has been edited by Holyjolly: Nov 15 2018, 03:39 PM

Yes the cheapest alienware monitor are freesync ones. Gsync ones are typically priced at rm2.3k and above.

Benq xl2536 is around rm1499. Aoc g2460pg cheapest at thundermatch online at lazada, rm1609.

The biggest regret I have is not buying benq xl2430t during promotion at viewnet. It was rm999 only. That monitor seems got good reviews. Despite no freesync and gsync.

Seriously thinking about this sync thingy makes my brain out of sync.

I tried the BenQ/ Zowie XL2540 (240Hz) demo unit at Viewnet with CSGO. Silky smooth.
I ask the sales guy there, he say the demo unit is using GTX 1080. I am not sure the smooth experience is given by the GTX1080 or the monitor high refresh rate, since my GPU is too old (but still can get 180-200FPS). But the high Hz enough to poisons me.
A quick check that this model doesn't have Freesync also. So, personally I think the Sync thingy is not a necessity for me. Maybe I haven't experience the effect of Freesync or Gsync yet.

Sifu-sifu, please enlighten me if I am wrong.

This post has been edited by Holyjolly: Nov 16 2018, 10:43 AM

Hi to all sifus, I'm currently looking for a 144hz monitor with budget around rm800 to rm1000. I've been looking around and now I come down to this 3 models.

ACER XF240H
VIEWSONIC XG2402
AOC G2460PF
BENQ XL2411P

All the above has the same 1080p 1ms 144hz and FreeSync except for BENQ without FreeSync.

I wanna ask is the FreeSync really make a difference? I'm using an RX580. Also which of the 3 has the best overall performance. TQ

This post has been edited by triple-x: Nov 16 2018, 12:27 PM

I think VIEWSONIC XG2402 stands out in most of the comparison review. I also eyeing on it.
Most of the 144Hz monitor nowadays has included Freesync, I think should include it since you have AMD GPU?

I also come across Dell S2419HGF, which launched this year. 24" TN panel, 1080p, 120Hz overlock to 144Hz via OSD with freesync. ~RM950. Not much review on it.

This post has been edited by Holyjolly: Nov 16 2018, 03:28 PM

Alright, I will look for more reviews and info for these 2 models, thanks.

hi, i aso looking for similar monitor... any reason why never consider viewsonic vx2458-c-mhd?? Consider it 144hz too.. and advertise at 85% ntsc.. so the colour should be comparable to IPS...

im dilemma between this model and Acer xf240h.. xf240h 2015 model though...

in my case, i do not consider this model bcos it's a curved display and the height of the stand is not adjustable.

This post has been edited by triple-x: Nov 16 2018, 05:27 PM

any reason why dwn curved display?

Yeah, I don't prefer curved display also. Unless it is super wide screen. Personal preference.

This post has been edited by Holyjolly: Nov 16 2018, 06:31 PM

What I know is if your hardware is strong enough to handle more than 144 fps, then 240hz monitor is not a bad idea. In this case, GTX 1080 and the equivalent. Furthermore, viewnet pricing on the BenQ 2546 is reasonable. If you can hit high FPS then it should not be a problem. Besides, you still can set it to 144hz if you don't like 240hz.

For me, my brain says get the AOC G2460PG but my heart wants the BenQ XL2536.


Based on reviews, get the Viewsonic XG2402. It is the best among those monitors you listed. Since you are using RX580 freesync should help with screen tearing and stutter problems.


Normal monitors are easy to position and don't consume much real estate in my table in my opinion.

This post has been edited by Oyaji: Nov 17 2018, 02:50 AM

hmm thanks.. other than the curved display, is this monitor good? i think is too new cant really find reviews

The specs seems good and its a VA panel. Price is rather cheap also for a gaming curved monitor. I think you should be good. for reviews maybe you could read reviews of other curved gaming monitor like samsung CFG70 to get the idea on what you are expecting because the reviews for that viewsonic is non-existent.

Or maybe you could ask the viewsonic guy in the other thread.