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andrew9292
post Mar 6 2019, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(mrr9 @ Feb 27 2019, 06:56 PM)
Hi guys.. i got problem with the gearbox.. when put at D, the car will jerking when 1 to 2 change.. but if i put at gear at 2.. the AT is blinking but the jerking gone.. what is the problem actually? Is it TCU or valvebody? Tq
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I have some experience with a weird gearbox. What i gather, just go back to Perodua and fight. Fight for your rights as a consumer, if it is under warranty, and if you have not done anything that will void warranty. Gearbox is a very complicated component controlled with very complicated electronics and software... If there are manufacturing defects, there will be problems. If there are electronic malfunctions, there will be problems. If the gearbox control strategy (programmer/software) was not engineered well, there will be problems. A perfect gearbox on Bezza operates like butter every shift, only because of a perfect combination of the above. I think only a gearbox specialist can tell you what is the problem, provided they know the gearbox and have compatible and sophisticated equipment to diagnose the problem.

Best to go back to Perodua, demand their best technician. If you cannot get it solved, contact Rawang HQ and tell them your problem. If unresolved, complain to consumer rights ministry KPDNKK, write a letter to a minister, newspaper or something.

From what i understand, new Perodua use an equipment called DS3 to communicate with ECU (and also TCU/E-AT, which is an integrated part of ECU). DS3 is jointly provided by Daihatsu, exclusive to Perodua only. Workshop outside may have DS2, which is for older Peroduas (1st to 3rd gen Myvi era or so). Anything newer uses DS3

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post Aug 14 2019, 11:24 PM

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Hi guys just wanna share hav just used an OBD2 bluetooth scanner, it works with Bezza 1.3 (Av). The car supports native OBD2 unlike earlier Peroduas. Nice stuff to check on vehicle health from time to time.

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Car is at 60k mileage. Recently notice radiator fan spinning more often, especially when AC is set more towards hot or completely off. Found out that our Bezza turns on the radiator fan at 101 degree celcius sharp ECT (Engine coolant temperature). So probably the coolant needs flushing & replacment or shared AC/engine fan motor is degrading. Could b coolant pump degrading too, dunno how to benchmark this

Also notice long term & short term fuel trims (LTFT / STFT) are heading towards positive.. interesting. Seems ECU sees engine runs very slighty lean and its adding fuel. Many causes possible n will probably will try DIY preventive maintenance stuff that am capable of.

Change battery recently about 2 week ago and seems like the O2 sensor did not manage to relearn yet...

Only thing it doesnt seem to support any transmission parameters and recently, my gearbox once in a blue moon has a little soft click during 2-3 shifts, will be interesting if someone made a plugin that can read these

All in all really cool for a nerd 😎

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post Aug 14 2019, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(singk @ Aug 14 2019, 11:30 PM)
nice one bro. another observation is the blue light went off at 50C sharp. About your LTFT and STFT, it means that your engine think that your AFR is too rich so it lean it out. I'm kinda surprised that the o2 sensor took so long time to learn though.
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I think fuel trim still manageable problem bro, n read that LTFT concern start when it exceed +10%... O2 sensor will try a few relearn procedure found on google. Many state need some highway runs at stable constant speed. So far only did mostly city driving... Most takut the gearbox, my gearbox got history of sounds and thuds, previously solved at sc by adjusting linkage cable, until now.. The sound is like a fingernail tapping lightly on concrete wall at 2 > 3 shift

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post Aug 15 2019, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(singk @ Aug 15 2019, 03:08 PM)
i kinda suspect your o2 sensor might be having a slight issue of getting the right reading (accuracy issue). Maybe the o2 sensor heater element deteriorated.

if your car still in warranty coverage, still no need so worried about. On and off my bezza's gearbox having some thud sound as well. It happens usually when i hesitated on the throttle when the gearbox doing gear change (probably the ECU and TCU trying to figure out what the heck i'm doing laugh.gif ). Other than that, it still ok.
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Thanks bro. Today did a highway run for an hour, Damansara > Rawang > Damansara. It's in completed state now. But after that the fuel trim now at idle seem to be compensating more at +12% total to get 14.7:1 AFR... Probably test a week more see got improve, otherwise really need to start diy checks.

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Yah, the gearbox really annoying, previously got a significant thud when release throttle at 40kmh ( 2 > 3 shift ). In the end at Perodua kepong maluri, they change the ATF twice and they adjust the gear knob linkage, solved. They did use their scantool to check any problem code but not sure if they did other things. Warranty is one thing la, but this SC was the fourth one i went to that actually dealt with the problem. Even some huge Perodua SC had the 'biasala, pakai dulu' attitude. Some even ask if i try Proton or Honda CVT, and say that those are way worst mad.gif


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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ May 6 2020, 09:05 PM)
Guys any sifu here can suggest what modification to do to make car more stable when some day you really need to pump the gas? Currently the only modification i did was to change tyre to 195/50/15 but still can feel car like wobble around on highway.
First i want to say i know speeding is bad. But as someone who travel at highway quite frequently there are times when there is absolutely no one around at all so just want to pump the gas a little. But this car really cannot pump at all, 120kmh already can feel the car wobbling like crazy sometimes..
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Try doing alignment? Rotate, balance and alignment.

- If your wobby means 'Shivering' at high speed ; Simpler. It's usually due do unbalance tyre and rim / very loose joints (very dangerous) or other parts such as brake caliper / disk / tyre itself.

- If your wobbly means 'left-right-left-right' ; Could be improved by alignment on the 'toe-in' or 'toe-out' setting. Or could be something wrong at highly loaded joints such as top mount or lower arm.

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QUOTE(jtan.pdr @ Jun 24 2020, 09:29 AM)
just changed my front brake pads to ferodo pads...
these pads are just normal pads and not particularly rated for heat resistance, so not much need to warm up to start working like their performance pads.

overall, they brake with the same performance as the pads from factory.
not much brake dust after 2 weeks of usage.

lazada price is abt rm120 iirc...

oso finally changed all bridgestone ecopia to continental cc6, standard size. now the car is much quieter and better bump absorption...
ecopia has slightly better grip, cc6 seems to loose grip earlier..

but like most tires of these sort, the loss of grip is gradual, so learning where the limit is, is easier...

cant tell the fuel savings between these 2 tires cos of different driving conditions...
but i like the comfort of the cc6 eventho at the cost of loss of grip (slight loss), but then again, we were not starting with that much grip in the 1st place... lol
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Ferodo pads? Went for ant prolong downhill like Genting n any comment? hmm.gif

I changed to TRW DTEC, but Gotong Jaya downhill at last few bends start to fade..only 3 passengers.

Original Daihatsu pads (RM3xx SC) had no issue even with 5 pax. Granted they r 3-4times more expensive but really thinking to go back or seek other option...

Ah CC6 kaki!

Find that less than 250kpa, going over speed bump d tyre compresses instead of d springs n shock...

Have to drive it somewhat like a go-kart, balance the nose up or down n lesser of left-right, Bezza doesn't really like forced left-right weight balancing anyway unlike old Myvi...fun times


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post Aug 28 2020, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(lkwah86 @ Aug 11 2020, 09:14 AM)
Anyone experienced a kicking sound from the engine when push the gear to D and R?
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Yes, only when cold after start in mornjng... 'thak!' sound, cannot solve.

I did have more severe every gear change jerking issue last time but its solved for now.

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QUOTE(zaxxshoxx @ Dec 28 2020, 07:12 PM)
After i replace the bearings. I realize that my  ABS & Traction Control Light went up after i start my engine. Why eh?

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Maybe ABS sensor related, but you need a scanner to be sure...

1. They had to remove some stuff and reinstall all correctly but the computer is now confused
2. Forgot to re-attach ABS sensor
3. ABS sensor / wiring damaged or sensor dirty covered in something
4. Brake line / component damage, unbalanced brake fluid pressure between lines (but most cars use handbrake light to indicate this problem, not sure)
5. Did they bleed the brake system? Maybe air pocket in ABS motor

Traction/stability control require the computer to use 1 or more brakes at individual wheels to balance and set the direction of car during crazy situation

Stability system faulty = ABS still can function
ABS system faulty = almost all stability system cannot function

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QUOTE(my44 @ Jan 30 2023, 01:59 PM)
Anyone knows what kind of level measurement is used for the fuel tank level?

Today I filled up RM10 because my Shell voucher was expiring. Before fill up, the indicated range was 594km. Based on my previous observation, usually “full tank” was between 680-700km.

When filling up, the nozzle kicked out at RM4 but I forced it slowly until RM10 because of the prepaid voucher. The nozzle kicked out a few more times but I managed to reach RM10 without any overflowing.

When restarting and moving the car, the range indicator remained at 594km. It was a grocery run so I stopped and restarted the car a few times after buying stuff. The indicator refused to go up to 600+ km as before.

Maybe there’s a float level indicator in the tank and filling too high means it got “stuck”?

After refill (594km) and doing some km of driving, parking car, restarted car, I arrived home with 585km range. As if the filled up amount wasn’t captured at all. Hmmm.
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Try pump per normal again and monitor i guess?

There are various type of sensors that measure fuel level, can cari 'how is fuel level measured in cars' on google. There should be a few ways to do it but not sure about Bezza specifically & not sure how the hardware and software deals with an overfill / small top up situation

But generally, dont sweat it lah. Just reset the trip meter after a refuel and view it at your next pump i guess. Thinking out loud, it cannot be that sensitive to small level changes otherwise your fuel level will go up and down when the fuel sloshes around in the tank from simply driving around

Also what I kinda sure on Bezza '16 Adv...
- Approximately 3.75L per bar
- 8 bar x 3.75L = 30L
- Lastly, when the red fuel lamp turns on, that's approx 6L emergency balance. You can view or manage ur current real time consumption x 6L when it turns on = balance distance left.

Just sharing generally what i read, it isn't good to drive with low fuel. Fuel pump working hard & higher heat than usual.
Avoid overfill too, there is a secondary fuel line which is fuel excess vapor excess discharge i think. Instead of venting to atmosphere, the excess vapor is used for combustion instead. When overfilled it may suck in liquid instead of gas vapor, which might damage the charcoal canister and vacuum switch valve of the system

 

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