All-New Peugeot 308 GTI; 270 HP, 330 NM, Century sprint in 6 seconds; Manual 
Oct 25 2018, 06:09 PM
QUOTE(daijoubu @ Oct 25 2018, 04:40 PM)
I'm not blaming the consumer, I can understand and emphatise actually. But at the same time I am clearing our misconceptions on where the blame should be placed.
Peugeot rightly gotten what they deserved because of the debacle of the 308 Turbo T9 pre-facelift, but since then they have been upping their efforts tremendously in order to not only learning from their mistakes to improve future models, they also undertook a huge recall effort as well as to spend more on extending warranties for their older cars. I think the efforts warrants some applaud, considering other manufacturers would just ignore the problem (I'm looking at you Ford).
On why they want to spend 200k for Peugeot vs other Contis? Personal perference. Each to their own, but value for money wise in terms of driving engagement and fun, I don't think you can find anything more fun for a 200k car than this. But if you say practicality? I'll recommend elsewhere.
On warranty issue, you'll need to emphatise with the manufacturers. They spend a lot of money when they replace a part under warranty, if the owner had it serviced outside and used non approved lubricants and then became a causing factor to a breakdown, it wouldn't be fair for the manufacturer to foot the bill when the fault lies with the non approved workshop right? Unlike engines of the past with low tolerances, low emission standards, and low efficiency, the newer more tightly tuned engines have less margin of error. A 2.0L engine churning out 120bhp with FC of 10L/100km made in 1998 will endure not being serviced regularly or using non approved lubricants as opposed to a 1.6L turbocharged engine churning out 270bhp with FC of 8.1L/100km.
In terms of engineering, Peugeot rightly gotten what they deserved because of the debacle of the 308 Turbo T9 pre-facelift, but since then they have been upping their efforts tremendously in order to not only learning from their mistakes to improve future models, they also undertook a huge recall effort as well as to spend more on extending warranties for their older cars. I think the efforts warrants some applaud, considering other manufacturers would just ignore the problem (I'm looking at you Ford).
On why they want to spend 200k for Peugeot vs other Contis? Personal perference. Each to their own, but value for money wise in terms of driving engagement and fun, I don't think you can find anything more fun for a 200k car than this. But if you say practicality? I'll recommend elsewhere.
On warranty issue, you'll need to emphatise with the manufacturers. They spend a lot of money when they replace a part under warranty, if the owner had it serviced outside and used non approved lubricants and then became a causing factor to a breakdown, it wouldn't be fair for the manufacturer to foot the bill when the fault lies with the non approved workshop right? Unlike engines of the past with low tolerances, low emission standards, and low efficiency, the newer more tightly tuned engines have less margin of error. A 2.0L engine churning out 120bhp with FC of 10L/100km made in 1998 will endure not being serviced regularly or using non approved lubricants as opposed to a 1.6L turbocharged engine churning out 270bhp with FC of 8.1L/100km.
Continental cars are not made to last over 5years.
Many electronic parts, sensors, even plastic parts will start to wear & crack under our hot weather. (Even US insurance reports came out stating European cars have higher maintenance than japanese cars)
German manufacturers have started their "planned obsolescence", this period is about 5years where after 5years many things will fail because lifespan is there. See how many BMW get dumped right after warranty period ??
Those 20+ year old Merc has higher reliability than newer ones. Cuz they sell luxury than reliability
Japanese cars sell reliability and longer lifespan. German sells luxury and fun to drive cars.
In terms of regulations
1. At first world countries like USA, some car manufacturers will get class action suit if their cars have problems like Peugeot or VW DSG issue will get sued by buyers.
2. The other law is called lemon law, if your car frequently have consistent problems that cannot be fixed, then they have to buy back your unit.
3. Spare parts law means manufacturers have to make their parts available after warranty period for you to repair it. Diagnostic tools must be readily available outside too. In essense, no monopoly over parts, diagnostic
On safety part I think consumers should push government to force manufacturers to put in more safety features.
It's not Japanese cars are not safe, it's the government ruling that doesn't make them compulsory to follow certain standards.
Therefore those standards became a premium features rather than basic requirements. If compared same price range of course Japanese car give same features as continental cars
No point try to defend the brand of the car you are driving, press them back to make them do better. Brand loyalty doesn't do consumers any good.
No matter what the sales agent try to sugar coat it, that's the truth.
Accidents DATA can be found on insurance data especially on US.
This post has been edited by AllnGap: Oct 25 2018, 06:13 PM
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