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post Mar 29 2019, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 28 2019, 10:43 PM)
actually SC not keen on FP funds anymore..
but since it's have foreign exposure... maybe have chance...
let's see how it would turn out be tongue.gif
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What are the reasons why the securities commission would not be keen on more FP funds? Is it as simple as FP funds are made "too safe" for investors and therefore unsustainable to maintain if they become too big?

I'm new to all this and keen to know more about what PNB does with their money. Classic case of invest first do homework later sweat.gif
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post Mar 29 2019, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 29 2019, 12:47 PM)
Welcome to Lowyat Probation member.. and this your first post  devil.gif

okay. to answer your million dollar question...

securities commission reluctant to have FP funds because it's mostly invested into local market.. and like u said.. it's getting bigger & harder to manage.. u just see the recent dividend rate... it's getting worse.. So they expected to diversify into foreign markets.

SC might give some exemption now on the prospect PNB venturing outside Malaysia.. Who knows. Endless Possibilities  biggrin.gif

also the rm1/units thingy too.. lack of transparency.. which SC also kinda disliked... that's why the exemption given are not forever.. only for certain period. which the time ends, there's review for extension or conversion into VP
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TQ TQ biggrin.gif So I guess for now I should just look out for any possible change in the next review period (2021) and treat this as another FD account until then. brows.gif
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post Mar 29 2019, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 29 2019, 01:22 PM)
brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif

Senior Member turn into New Probation Member...

u seems to know the stuff well enough.. even I really can't remember the due date of expiry  cry.gif
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No la, I was told about ASNB and simply "researched" it by reading this thread from page one only. Whatever I know I also read from here one icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 30 2019, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 29 2019, 08:25 PM)
Walao...
What happened.
Suddenly influx of Probation members in this thread...
ASM dividend 5.5% but didn't stop newbie from coming here...

ASNB/PNB using opposition strategy of using paid troopers to pop up the damage image of PNB because of low dividends...
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Genuine ASM buyer sweat.gif . REITS feel too ex so dun want to buy just yet. FD feels too low and troublesome to keep renewing. Was told about ASM so dove in lor drool.gif
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post Mar 30 2019, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 30 2019, 11:43 AM)
Good..
Come & support...
Many selling expected on Monday....
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Bullets ready...but only about 10K blush.gif Would definitely get ASM if have for a "balanced" pie
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post Mar 30 2019, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 30 2019, 02:00 PM)
If the gate opens..
Just 1 shot / try.. Straight get 10k.. Don't needed to spam captcha πŸ‘πŸ‘ all completed in less 5 minutes 😁
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Oh ya! speaking of which, would it be better to be added into the whatsapp group for this?
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post Mar 31 2019, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Mar 28 2019, 05:11 PM)
I think those who take loans and end up losing money are upset. I thought the ASB loan was 4.x%. Now I check only know it's 5.x%. If they got a higher loan rate, 6% dividend also might not be able to cover.
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Just out of curiosity, how are these loans calculated? monthly basis? annual basis?
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post Apr 1 2019, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(mintec @ Mar 31 2019, 11:59 PM)
I think ASBs loans are basic term loans. This means they are calculated monthly using the reducing balance method. Interest rates will change according to BLR. Currently should be around 4% + 1.5%
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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Apr 1 2019, 12:52 AM)
But I've read there could be penalty for early settlement (if BLR skyrockets). Ask everything you could think of before taking the loan.
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So basically just like normal home loan whereby interest is added on every month. Taking a loan at 4%+1.5% to buy ASM over the last year would have resulted in a loss then doh.gif If settle early got penalty then bangwall.gif
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post Apr 1 2019, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Apr 1 2019, 10:51 AM)
this special loan is for bumiputera and ASB* only. ASB2 6% still can cover, unless they got it at a higher rate.

I think no one will take loan to buy ASM, unless some personal arrangement with friends and family. Bank personal loan interest is very the high.
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That small difference (6% vs 5.5%) wouldn't be too attractive to me when BLR could change. Just wondering out loud about how the ASB loans work since people got mention about it before. So yeah, personal arrangements are probably the way to do, if the lenders don't know about ASN brows.gif
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post Apr 1 2019, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 1 2019, 02:59 PM)
Better used my energy for ASM 2 & 3...
Spam there at least have some positive result later on...
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But the allure of getting that perfect 3 sided pie is just so...so strong drool.gif
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post Apr 2 2019, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Apr 2 2019, 10:49 AM)
Hehe I also hope it would go up a bit and sell mine off. Well, maybe.....

The problem with VP fund is, you need a very good market performance to make 1money, I think. You can't really earn from dividends because the price will go ex-dividend after giving out dividend, so you don't earn anything extra.

If KLSE keeps going up, then you can make 1money from VP funds.
Where got so much return. If KLCI go up 3-4% per annum then only can get positive return la.

Come to think of it, that's why all those mutual funds keep showing their 7-8% returns. Potong commission and ex-dividend, probably negative. That's why I never bothered although they keep showing me their charts. If not to simplify opening ASN account, I won't even buy this VP fund I have.
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I tried to read a bit to understand what you're saying. So over the course of one year...

- Equities (+ the dividends they give) held by this fund will increase its NAV (and therefore the unit price). Assuming a flat-ish stock market la.

Come year end, time to distribute whatever gains that were made. It will be something like:
- If you have 10,000 units at 1.03, it will become 10,300 units at 1.00 (assuming a 3% dividend is given)

Is this roughly how it works? sweat.gif
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post Apr 2 2019, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Apr 2 2019, 11:55 AM)
yes your understanding is correct. So the first thing you lose is the commission. If stock market goes up, you probably can make some profit from the trust fund's price increase, subjected that it increases (probably need a lot of people to buy to go up)
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QUOTE(mintec @ Apr 2 2019, 11:58 AM)
This is assuming the price drops which is the most likely scenario now. A 3sen drop is very small cos they will actually drop more than that.
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If liddat...going forward if suddenly got a 2008 crash, the price would follow right, that would be a good time to mop up VP funds and wait for the market to recover?

Or if the market bleeds slowly (which is what is happening), we all just dump into ASM 123 lor unsure.gif
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post Apr 2 2019, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Apr 2 2019, 01:35 PM)
that's the idea. but i don't and won't recommend anyone to buy VP funds because I don't do it myself.

I don't recall KLSE dropping much in 2008. Only US dan kawasan2 yang sewaktu dengannya crashed.
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Like that ah? hmm.gif How about the '97 Asian financial crisis?
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post Apr 3 2019, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(Penang_J @ Apr 3 2019, 09:52 AM)
They will release to VIPs first before sell to public...
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Perhaps reserved for the bundled packages (FP + VP funds buy together)?
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post Apr 4 2019, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 3 2019, 12:28 PM)
Yup. This the one have quota / allocation...
But everyone knows VP funds performance 😈
So u still want join or not?? Huhuhuh...
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Of course not shocking.gif But my mom bought when bank RM recommended last time lor bye.gif
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post Apr 4 2019, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 4 2019, 08:53 AM)
Too bad then..
What's the entry price your mom bought vs current price?
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I didn't check. I only saw ASM2 and then log out. Next time I help her top up on FP funds can liao thumbup.gif
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post Apr 4 2019, 10:52 AM

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Actually last time got one fund changed from FP to VP right? Can any of the old birds here share how that was implemented? Like what was the price immediately after? When did they announce unit price? All the juicy details...
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post Apr 5 2019, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Apr 5 2019, 11:17 AM)
I strongly agree ASN is to help Bumiputera. The concern now is most of the ASM funds are grabbed by rich non bumi. People I know outside of the forum only own a few thousand. The most also 25k after years of dividends. So ASMx end up helping the rich nonbumi. This is the only reason I could think of ASNB converting the fund to VP (and I do agree that sufficient time will be given or maybe even offer to convert to other FP funds when that day comes).

Weird thing is, ASN itself was converted to VP. Maybe to give bumiputeras a chance to earn more money when KLSE goes up?
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Hasn't the bumi agenda always managed to enrich the already rich and connected all this while? whistling.gif

I asked about the conversion of ASN the other day. Apparently, since its creation, that fund was designated to become a VP fund after a certain period of time has passed. So when the time came, they just asked the holders to fast fast switch to one of the ASB funds if they don't want to hold VP.
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post Apr 5 2019, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Apr 5 2019, 12:45 PM)
ahhh i see

No lah, the rich and connected not interested to make a puny 7-8% per annum. they do business and δΈ€ζœ¬θ¬εˆ©. Unker Teh has many many funds to help enrich you also
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Uncle Teh's funds? I heard they are not doing very well these past few years leh...that's why we're all are parking our money here in FP right? brows.gif

But for myself, after hitting a certain amount in the ASMs, I think should diversify out into funds or bluechips (after I find time to do the homework la rclxub.gif ) Got some REITS and high yielding consumer stocks available in KLSE also. Just not very sure of what is fair value for now. hmm.gif
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post Apr 5 2019, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Apr 5 2019, 01:41 PM)
haha. I never let unker Teh help me get rich quick, so i dont know. But now that I know VP funds will go ex-dividend, I think even FD is safer. Unless KLSE bullrun la.
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Speaking of ex-dividend, my understanding is, if you hold 10,000 units at RM1 and the fund announces a 5% dividend...they will give you 500 units and the price will fall to 0.952. You end up with 10,500 units but the value of your holdings is still RM10,000. Is this correct?

I did ask a similar question before but I didn't really get an answer and I ran out of post that day...I think this may be my last post for today also ranting.gif

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