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post Dec 10 2018, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(veera77 @ Dec 10 2018, 09:29 PM)
“Tabung Haji's shares in Bank Islam Malaysia Bhd (BIMB) were sold so as to show profit before being repurchased, which also incurred brokerage fees.”

"Although the above transactions appear commercial, we understand that the intention was to enable Tabung Haji to report higher profits for the purpose of distribution to the depositors.

https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/455525?ut...medium=facebook
This what im seriously worry if PNB doing the same trick...selectively realised profit to show profit and pay divided:(
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sell sell sell
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post Dec 10 2018, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(propertyowner @ Dec 10 2018, 09:32 PM)
Even their spokesperson just said this is illegal in perspective of internal governance lol
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Dec 10 2018, 09:33 PM)
sell sell sell
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Tunggu 1jan2019...ASB earning/profit and dividend would be the benchmark...then can decide...

My UOB CASA is giving 3.65% (daily interest calc) and my mortgage interest 4.51%....that is myPlan B, for worst case scenario..in case PNB also found doing hanky-panky accounting..
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post Dec 10 2018, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(veera77 @ Dec 10 2018, 09:43 PM)
Tunggu 1jan2019...ASB earning/profit and dividend would be the benchmark...then can decide...

My UOB CASA is giving 3.65% (daily interest calc) and my mortgage interest 4.51%....that is myPlan B, for worst case scenario..in case PNB also found doing hanky-panky accounting..
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Boss, trust me, tabung haji will still giving high dividends. Lol
Nothing new, open secret, no matter how worst is the economy also no problem.
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post Dec 10 2018, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Dec 10 2018, 10:01 PM)
Boss, trust me, tabung haji will still giving high dividends. Lol
Nothing new, open secret, no matter how worst is the economy also no problem.
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Yeah...now I understand why some prefer to keep in FD eventhough at lower return..total peace of mind..
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post Dec 10 2018, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(veera77 @ Dec 10 2018, 10:04 PM)
Yeah...now I understand why some prefer to keep in FD eventhough at lower return..total peace of mind..
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As long as bank doesn't bankrupt (ignore pidm, don't have financial capability one).. see you trust government more or bank more...

For me, trust the power i.e. government.

Edit: PIDM, EPF guaranteed dividend, ASNB fixed price, and whatever impossible in other countries is possible due to power, nothing else.

This post has been edited by vanitas: Dec 10 2018, 10:41 PM
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post Dec 11 2018, 10:02 AM

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Hmm... will Tabung Haji in deep shit?
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post Dec 11 2018, 10:03 AM

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So, looks like slowly all these (TH as example) are out in the open.

All our worries on ASX could be revealed soon...
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post Dec 11 2018, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(ahboon76 @ Dec 11 2018, 10:02 AM)
Hmm... will Tabung Haji in deep shit?
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Government already has a rescue plan, setup SPV to buy under performing assets of TH. And then may limit the maximum unit for each person to 200k like ASB.

QUOTE(OPT @ Dec 11 2018, 10:03 AM)
So, looks like slowly all these (TH as example) are out in the open.

All our worries on ASX could be revealed soon...
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TH has a long history on these few years ago, even BNM which governed by Zeti that time had warned about it.

Anyway, the thing is unless you do oversea investments, otherwise if ASNB got problem, it will has domino effects on EPF, bank, ringgit etc. So no safe investment in Malaysia...
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post Dec 11 2018, 10:59 AM

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If there's problems..
By now sure zeti know about it...
Exposure to media & public...
Rafizi sure would expose the scandal of PNB funds like he did for others..

But didn't hear any.. Just some mention ponzi scheme.. Not proven
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QUOTE(veera77 @ Dec 10 2018, 09:43 PM)
Tunggu 1jan2019...ASB earning/profit and dividend would be the benchmark...then can decide...

My UOB CASA is giving 3.65% (daily interest calc) and my mortgage interest 4.51%....that is myPlan B, for worst case scenario..in case PNB also found doing hanky-panky accounting..
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Before Jan 1 already know leh boss..
Remembered 1 week suspension period...
By bet 27 DEC announcement 🙏
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post Dec 11 2018, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 11 2018, 10:59 AM)
If there's problems..
By now sure zeti know about it...
Exposure to media & public...
Rafizi sure would expose the scandal of PNB funds like he did for others..

But didn't hear any.. Just some mention ponzi scheme.. Not proven
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About Ponzi,
- No mention from Zeti, and she even paid okay dividends for ASM2 and ASM3.
- There is limit on high dividends and even tier dividends for ASB.
- For unlimited fund i.e. ASX, the dividends is not high at all, the return just similar to bond fund in the market.
- As long as Maybank doing great (mbb largest shareholder is PNB), nothing to worry right now. Example, mbb total assets (not market value) is RM 700b according to wiki, PNB holds 20% share. Worst case sell off mbb assets, and we would be safe again.


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post Dec 11 2018, 11:41 AM

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so happy get wawasan rm1,000 after trying for 30 mins
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post Dec 11 2018, 12:29 PM

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Just for info.

Those who registering newborn at JPJ Putrajaya will be given ADAM50 form along with the Mykid and Birth Cert.
All you have to do it, fill it up, attach with a copy of child's birth cert and your IC. Folks from ASNB will collect the form from JPN and deposit RM 200 into the ADAM50 account.
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post Dec 11 2018, 12:39 PM

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Tried half n hr no get..nobppl sell ka
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post Dec 11 2018, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Dec 11 2018, 12:39 PM)
Tried half n hr no get..nobppl sell ka
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I planned to withdraw wawasan 15k today but it's raining now. So maybe tmrow or Friday.
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post Dec 11 2018, 04:29 PM

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BNM Governor Tan Sri Zeti Akhtar Aziz warned that Lembaga Tabung Haji (TH) was paying out dividends and bonuses using its reserves since 2012.

Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018...YxLXRJx5Wd43.99

Same for PNB, it did paying out dividends and bonuses using its reserves.
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post Dec 11 2018, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(propertyowner @ Dec 11 2018, 04:29 PM)
BNM Governor Tan Sri Zeti Akhtar Aziz warned that Lembaga Tabung Haji (TH) was paying out dividends and bonuses using its reserves since 2012.

Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018...YxLXRJx5Wd43.99

Same for PNB, it did paying out dividends and bonuses using its reserves.
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Pay using reserves isn't a problem, the keyword for TH is negative reserves.

If anyone not happy with reserves, can always buy UT or variable price fund, high transparency, no need to worry money don't know goes to where.
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post Dec 11 2018, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Dec 11 2018, 04:41 PM)
Pay using reserves isn't a problem, the keyword for TH is negative reserves.

If anyone not happy with reserves, can always buy UT or variable price fund, high transparency, no need to worry money don't know goes to where.
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It is not an issue, but continue paying using reserves could become issue like TH
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post Dec 11 2018, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(propertyowner @ Dec 11 2018, 05:00 PM)
It is not an issue, but continue paying using reserves could become issue like TH
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http://www.asnb.com.my/v3_/pdf/media/berit...%20Briefing.pdf
Last page,
- assets under management (AUM) currently exceeding RM288.1 billion
- As at August 2018, ASNB has a total Unit in Circulation of 231.5 billion units

Still not satisfy and feel PNB is another TH, please sell all.

This post has been edited by vanitas: Dec 11 2018, 05:16 PM
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post Dec 11 2018, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Dec 11 2018, 05:15 PM)
http://www.asnb.com.my/v3_/pdf/media/berit...%20Briefing.pdf
Last page,
- assets  under  management  (AUM)  currently  exceeding  RM288.1 billion
- As at August 2018, ASNB has a total Unit in Circulation of 231.5 billion units

Still not satisfy and feel PNB is another TH, please sell all.
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don't be so sensitive if you are a guy..

even so what's the YTD cash reserve vs utilization vs actual P&L? without that we can't benchmark with TH

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