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post Nov 17 2018, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Nov 17 2018, 02:49 PM)
Same here , hand itchy go test .
Now forever stuck there with fp fund. smile.gif

Don't think can remove through asnb portal, maybe asnb counter staff can remove , not sure.
Doesn't matter , live with it .
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Uncle, why don't you try ASB, see it will remain there or not, even amount is zero. whistling.gif devil.gif
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post Nov 17 2018, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Nov 17 2018, 02:55 PM)
Unker so free sure sudah tried .

Result is Pop out message ` call asnb for assistant'.
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rclxms.gif Those zero unit fund will get annual report / dividend statement or not?
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post Nov 17 2018, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Nov 17 2018, 02:58 PM)
Bulu pun tak ada .
Zero unit fund cannot expect they spend money to send statement ,haha .
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doh.gif Aiya, thought subscribe all funds with zero unit, then collect annual reports like a cool2.gif
Email is free ma.. haha
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post Nov 17 2018, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(veera77 @ Nov 17 2018, 04:35 PM)
Thanks @vanitas..agree with u smile.gif
Point#2, yes..The ptptn monthly installment is RM179.

After further details calculation :
For 28k loan, The total PTPTN interest is 23.33 (ujrah) + 1.27 (insurance) = RM24.70 per month.
-net interest, For 15yrs = RM4,446
- Loss of 20% discount = 28k*20% = RM5,600
- Total = RM10,046

Invest RM22.4k in PTPTN @6%, 15yrs, as per your point#1 RM53,600, return RM31,200.

If i go for lower return @4%, 15yrs compunding, is RM40,300, about RM14k return.

Finally, we decided to go for Option 2, for my niece. She have some saving from intern allowance and started to work 6 months ago. Thought we join hand and kill the loan before 31dis, but now change the plan to Option 2.

Thanks again @vanitas to give some lead smile.gif
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I see, ptptn got some hidden fee in addition to 1% interest. The loss of 5600 is 15 years years earlier, but return @ 6% or 4% is 15 years later, cannot compare like that.

Anyway, for clearer comparison, assume your niece is borrowing only 22.4k at the first place. No discount, like buying house.

Option 1 is paid full.

Option 2, from 22.4k to (28k + 4446) over 15 years, is equal to loan rate at 5.15% (monthly repayment 178.89).

* Saving guide for option 2, I read certain credit cards with online transaction rebate works on ptptn, like pbb visa signature (6%), quantum master (5%). I couldn't verify this, if interested go check out for her.

As long as can generate more than 5.15%, then it is good deal. ASNB is 6% now, with some risk taken when bursa crashed, it is easy. But again, if your niece is not financial savvy, then better paid off the loan.

This post has been edited by vanitas: Nov 17 2018, 06:11 PM
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post Nov 17 2018, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Nov 17 2018, 05:21 PM)
Look cool .
I tot u r admin , anytime can kick someone .

Thanks for the explanation . smile.gif
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Uncle don't off topic liao
Later you kena kicked, I am bored too, need someone top up more than me only got motivation to keep top up.

This post has been edited by vanitas: Nov 17 2018, 05:57 PM
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post Nov 17 2018, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Nov 17 2018, 06:09 PM)
I guess you are referring the hidden fee to the insurance charges? For that I guess we can safely ignore it as mine is like less than RM30 a year for like total debt of double of this 22.4k

Other than that, I fully agreed with you

One intangible benefit for full settlement is that you enjoy a peace of mind for eliminating one loan as RM5k++ is negligible over the period of 15 years
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Not sure what are the hidden fees, if I use loan calculator, 28k for 15 years at 1% interest, monthly repayment is 167.58, but in his case is 178.89, which is 1.9% in my loan calculator.

Anyway, don't off topic too much in asnb thread. I also scare kena kicked. Haha
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post Nov 17 2018, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(veera77 @ Nov 17 2018, 06:43 PM)
More details attached..google hlb 1.68% can view full tc
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Given it is one-time fee.. 36 months would have lowest interest p.a.
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post Nov 17 2018, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Nov 17 2018, 08:06 PM)
OMG miss the ASM top up! Recently Aunty break leg need to do rehab no time focus on ASx. Money all give hospital.
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Aunty take care, try to top up tomorrow, might still have chance.

For others, whale alert!! Top up before aunty wake up!

Just kidding. Haha
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post Nov 17 2018, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Nov 17 2018, 08:25 PM)
Kaka , u look desperate .
Plz set alarm .

*Normally asm1 only open 1 day , but no harm to try. Good luck. *
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Uncle, you no bullets only. If you got, you already no sleep wait 7am. Hahahahaa
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post Nov 18 2018, 07:27 AM

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Wah, really only 2 hours sales... Luckily bought some yesterday...

Wish to top up more, but it is not easy to squeeze more money within 2 hours, especially I already top up most in other 2 funds...

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post Nov 18 2018, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 18 2018, 11:41 AM)
Surprise me  so many still ignorant regarding this. Which also mean some would rather take up car loan and pay down their housing loan. This type of financial education should be taught in school  then the compulsory Sejarah.
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Well.. bank is using the term interest rate, with different calculation, given not all people is financial savvy, I think the marketing approach of bank takes up some responsibility.

Anyway, different people got different ways to deal with money, calling them ignorant is too much... Even millionaires, billionaires may bankrupt one day, just their lifestyle different with you, no one is right or wrong...
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post Nov 18 2018, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Nov 18 2018, 11:49 AM)
nvm la... u want to go own with yuour 9 yr car loan also can

some people, especially me, never like any kind of loans. i do not like the feeling of being "owned" by the banks or anyone

i would rather have zero asset / money rather than like many so-called property master with 10 houses, drive big cars and use the so-called leverage & owe the banks all their lives and is vulnerably exposed to any economic changes

no man... that's not what i want. the last thing i want is to die leaving huge debts to all my kids. no matter how many real estates or assets you have.

different people have different appetite, but that doesnt mean that they are ignorant
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But would you buy property with cash or loan? Given loan have good advantages, especially you got asb vs you personally dislike loan.
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post Nov 18 2018, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Nov 18 2018, 12:01 PM)
cash, on the condition that LHDN do not investigate me

there is no guarantee the ASB/ASB2/ASM/ASx will give you good returns every year

but the interest rate will remain the same, or worse, get higher whenever the economy is in deep shit
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Hmm, but you could withdraw asx to paid off house loan if required, which means got flexibility to spend money in hand.

But anyway, it was a lifestyle than a matematical equation. Good to know there is people weighted personal preference than numbers.
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post Nov 18 2018, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Nov 18 2018, 12:14 PM)
the time spend to settle the loan, and monies paid to lawyers for facility agreement, and not to mention penaltis (if applicable) for early settlement

no sir / madam. i dont have time or patience or money (LOL) for that.
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Time and patience yes, money really LOL...

veera77 some thoughts on settle ptptn earlier or loan.

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post Nov 18 2018, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Nov 18 2018, 12:20 PM)
If I have cash 100k now , I prefer keep in asnb then pay installment.

100k car loan , 7 years ,3%= total paid 121,000 .
100k keep asnb ,7 years , 6%= total 142,000 .(excluded compounding).

** ???? Apa salah ????
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Salah calculation.
It was 3% of 7 years earlier vs 6% gains after 7 years.
Option 1,
You paid off 100k car loan.
No money to put asnb.
But can top up asnb 17k every year for 7 years.
End of the day asnb got 150k with 6% compound.

Paid 100k, left 150k.

Option 2,
You borrow 100k car loan.
100k in asnb.
Paid loan 17k x 7 = 121000 over 7 years.
Asnb got 150k with 6% compound.

Paid 121k, left 150k.

Uncle, I draft quite quick, ask me again if I missed out anything.

This post has been edited by vanitas: Nov 18 2018, 12:43 PM
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post Nov 18 2018, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Nov 18 2018, 12:45 PM)
Haha,I pun pening .
So which way is better ?????
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Like lucifah said, save time then paid off in one shot.
You drag time doesn't gain much benefits, or even seems worst than paid off in one shot.

My calculation could be wrong, wait expert come in.
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post Nov 18 2018, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Nov 18 2018, 12:53 PM)
Same as yesterday a forumer said 1.68% 1 time interest ,6 month period.

So we cannot take the loan put in asnb 6%????
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Uncle, can la..

The most important thing you missed out.. if after you paid off in one shot, can still top up the loan installments amount to asnb.
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post Nov 18 2018, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Sunsetdeska @ Nov 18 2018, 01:02 PM)
this is my personal opinion,
what if you cant topup 17k every year ?
also seem asm so far only special day can  topup  sweat.gif  (i new player this year though)

lucifah also make a good point on this
based on the rate from 2014 , asm 2 & 3 keep dropping lucky this time maintain at 6.00..
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Not sure about others, but I can top up near automatically.

Or you can adjust my calculation into 3% FD, top up 17k annually, still got near 135k after 7 years.
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post Nov 18 2018, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 18 2018, 02:25 PM)
Why so complicated?
U have 100k cash:
option 1 use it to pay for the car, no ASx.
option 2 take a car loan 3% interest, put 100K into ASx n every month pay 1440.50 car installment for 84 months, in the end ASx balance has 1281.
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Because uncle want pay installments by salary, not by withdraw.
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post Nov 18 2018, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 18 2018, 02:57 PM)
wah so much discussions going on..
looks interesting & refreshing from the normal updates... can get more info...

but I needed to remind also.. it's kinda  sign0006.gif  sign0006.gif too
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Not really, it was about pay car loan or put in ASX.

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