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TSJohn445
post Oct 14 2018, 06:13 PM, updated 6y ago

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i will go for form 6 in the near future.but what keeps buggingmy mind is that should i pursue in medicine or engineering field??

the medicine field i would like to get into is being a doctor while the engineering sector i prefer aircraft engineering and other transportation related engineering

Im interested in engineering because I like how mechanical stuff works and love to fix things myself.

what i liked about medicine is that i also like how human body works and the intensity of working in this field with the pressure being applied to you.(challenging)

this two field that i interested in keep making me asking myself whether i should take biology or physics for my form 6

i like biology more than i like physics but being accepted in local u to study medicine is one in a trillion chance thats why i dont have a big hope towards studying medicine(btw im non-bumi and not from a wealthy family)

i dont take the income of these two fields to decide what my next step is (high income doesnt mean you can work happily)

IT is my last resort smile.gif



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post Oct 14 2018, 06:28 PM

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Maybe you can look into Biomedical Engieering (Course Details: http://www.utar.edu.my/econtent_searchcour...d=45&ftab=Area)
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post Oct 14 2018, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(John445 @ Oct 14 2018, 06:13 PM)
i will go for form 6 in the near future.but what keeps buggingmy  mind is that should i pursue in medicine or engineering field??

the medicine field i would like to get into is being a doctor while the engineering sector i prefer aircraft engineering and other transportation related engineering

Im interested in engineering because I like how mechanical stuff works and love to fix things myself.

what i liked about medicine is that i also like how human body works and the intensity of working in this field with the pressure being applied to you.(challenging)

this two field that i interested in keep making me asking myself whether i should take biology or physics for my form 6

i like biology more than i like physics but being accepted in local u to study medicine is one in a trillion chance thats why i dont have a big hope towards studying medicine(btw im non-bumi and not from a wealthy family)

i dont take the income of these two fields to decide what my next step is (high income doesnt mean you can work happily)

IT is my last resort smile.gif
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Form 6 might be a hard option for you, if you ain't going to do 5 subjects to either pick one of the fields.
As typically, most students will eventually take Biology + Chemistry + Maths T + PA in school and take Physics for tuition classes.

Else you need to find a Form 6 Cluster school that teaches all 5 subjects. I think if you're in Klang Valley SMJK Katholik, PJ still should be okay.

Anyhow, came down same option as you, eventually I took A-levels instead, but somehow landed up in E&E Engineering.

You don't need to be "real" strong in STPM Physics to join Engineering in Malaysia. As you won't technically apply 80% of the Physics syllabus again. sweat.gif
Because the fact that tons of Engineers from SPM Art Stream can go for Diploma in Engineering and join the respective Degree program.

As mention above, there are Biomedical Engineering which is a least popular field in Malaysia, which are mostly found in IPTA.
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post Oct 14 2018, 10:32 PM

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For engineering physics is not enough though

You are still in the pre U, so all the stuff you see in physics can be shown by very elementary mathematics, but once you go into a university, all the physics are calculated with very complicated calculus and matrices, and aircraft engineering requires a very deep understanding in calculus to understand how the fluid and heat interact with one another.

So the question is , do you like mathematics as much as physics?

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post Oct 14 2018, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(iSean @ Oct 14 2018, 07:49 PM)
Form 6 might be a hard option for you, if you ain't going to do 5 subjects to either pick one of the fields.
As typically, most students will eventually take Biology + Chemistry + Maths T + PA in school and take Physics for tuition classes.

Else you need to find a Form 6 Cluster school that teaches all 5 subjects. I think if you're in Klang Valley SMJK Katholik, PJ still should be okay.

Anyhow, came down same option as you, eventually I took A-levels instead, but somehow landed up in E&E Engineering.

You don't need to be "real" strong in STPM Physics to join Engineering in Malaysia. As you won't technically apply 80% of the Physics syllabus again.  sweat.gif
Because the fact that tons of Engineers from SPM Art Stream can go for Diploma in Engineering and join the respective Degree program.

As mention above, there are Biomedical Engineering which is a least popular field in Malaysia, which are mostly found in IPTA.
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He wants to study aerospace engineering, not e and e, so i can assure you he will need almost all of the physics in STPM

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post Oct 15 2018, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Username is for the weak @ Oct 14 2018, 11:38 PM)
He wants to study aerospace engineering, not e and e, so i can assure you he will need almost all of the physics in STPM
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I was just giving my E&E Perspective come from A-level background as the syllabus content is similar to STPm. No need to be so triggered lmao.

He did said Engineering field in general, mostly in Mechanical Field.
Most likely Term 1, and first chapter of Term 3, will be deemed useful at most lol.

Also, Year 1 of Engineering you will just retouch concepts what you learn in Pre-U.
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QUOTE(John445 @ Oct 14 2018, 06:13 PM)
i will go for form 6 in the near future.but what keeps buggingmy  mind is that should i pursue in medicine or engineering field??

the medicine field i would like to get into is being a doctor while the engineering sector i prefer aircraft engineering and other transportation related engineering

Im interested in engineering because I like how mechanical stuff works and love to fix things myself.

what i liked about medicine is that i also like how human body works and the intensity of working in this field with the pressure being applied to you.(challenging)

this two field that i interested in keep making me asking myself whether i should take biology or physics for my form 6

i like biology more than i like physics but being accepted in local u to study medicine is one in a trillion chance thats why i dont have a big hope towards studying medicine(btw im non-bumi and not from a wealthy family)

i dont take the income of these two fields to decide what my next step is (high income doesnt mean you can work happily)

IT is my last resort smile.gif
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If money is not your motivation, perhaps sleeping time is? lol It's no secret that working as MO in government hospital is challenging. 36-hour on call etc.
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QUOTE(iSean @ Oct 15 2018, 11:01 AM)
I was just giving my E&E Perspective come from A-level background as the syllabus content is similar to STPm. No need to be so triggered lmao.

He did said Engineering field in general, mostly in Mechanical Field.
Most likely Term 1, and first chapter of Term 3, will be deemed useful at most lol.

Also, Year 1 of Engineering you will just retouch concepts what you learn in Pre-U.
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Did I sound like I am triggered? Lol sorry I didnt mean to sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Oct 15 2018, 11:54 AM

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Please understand the difference between aircraft engineering and aerospace/aeronautics engineer. Hands on fixing aircraft is the former and technical services and design is the latter. Don't make the mistake of doing the wrong one. Aircraft engineer life is also challenging especially in Malaysia because of limited job opportunities and career advancement
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post Oct 16 2018, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(Captain8 @ Oct 15 2018, 06:59 PM)
I would go with engineering.
However, since you like to play with body parts and cut open cadavers, then you should go with biology.
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studying medicine has nothing to do with playing with body parts or cut open cadavers..

only govt uni and a few private uni uses cadavers to teach anatomy. others all uses plastic models.
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QUOTE(John445 @ Oct 14 2018, 06:13 PM)
i will go for form 6 in the near future.but what keeps buggingmy  mind is that should i pursue in medicine or engineering field??

the medicine field i would like to get into is being a doctor while the engineering sector i prefer aircraft engineering and other transportation related engineering

Im interested in engineering because I like how mechanical stuff works and love to fix things myself.

what i liked about medicine is that i also like how human body works and the intensity of working in this field with the pressure being applied to you.(challenging)

this two field that i interested in keep making me asking myself whether i should take biology or physics for my form 6

i like biology more than i like physics but being accepted in local u to study medicine is one in a trillion chance thats why i dont have a big hope towards studying medicine(btw im non-bumi and not from a wealthy family)

i dont take the income of these two fields to decide what my next step is (high income doesnt mean you can work happily)

IT is my last resort smile.gif
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hi, i hope i can give you some facts about going into medicine in Malaysia

-undergrad medical education is 5 yrs. 1st 2yrs basic science studying, next 3yrs clincial training.

-you need to complete 2 yrs of housemanship and 2 yrs of compulsory training b4 you are free to continue govt service or go private practice

-specialization in clinical medicine(medical based specialty, surgical based speciality, paediatrics. radiologist, pathologist) can only be done under kkm/univeristy hospital, means to specialize u need to be fully employed under kkm not private sector.

-specialization takes another 4-5yrs depending on field after 5yrs education + 2yrs housemanship + 2yrs compulsory service

-none of our local medical degree from any uni(govt and private) is recognized else where in the world except UM recognized by Singapore medical council and Aimst uni recognized by Indian medical council, so if you plan to migrate dont do medicine.

-none of our local master specialist training programmes are recognized anywhere in the world, if you plan to migrate after u become specialist, forget it.

-you can sit external UK based papers(MRCP, MRCS, MRCOG ect) to go overseas. but those exams is an entrance exams, meaning once you pass the exams you are qualify to apply for specialist training and you need to be employed in the particular country b4 going over.

-duration for waiting for houseman post(in 2018) is close to 1yr. by the time u graduate from medical school expect to be even longer.

- house officer are now being employed on contract basis, the contract is 2+2yrs. until now no 1 know what will happen to those houseofficer after the 2+2yrs contract ends. put in a simple words. Doctors being jobless is a reality.


not to scare you, but just facts!!
if you are just curious how human body works read "guyton and hall medical physiology" its enough as a casual reader.
In medical school you have no time to enjoy reading. all your reading is for upcoming exams. learning schedule is very tight!

This post has been edited by wangpatan: Oct 16 2018, 11:40 PM
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post Oct 17 2018, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(wangpatan @ Oct 16 2018, 08:59 PM)
hi, i hope i can give you some facts about going into medicine in Malaysia

-undergrad medical education is 5 yrs. 1st 2yrs basic science studying, next 3yrs clincial training.

-you need to complete 2 yrs of housemanship and 2 yrs of compulsory training b4 you are free to continue govt service or go private practice

-specialization in clinical medicine(medical based specialty, surgical based speciality, paediatrics. radiologist, pathologist) can only be done under kkm/univeristy hospital, means to specialize u need to be fully employed under kkm not private sector.

-specialization takes another 4-5yrs depending on field after 5yrs education + 2yrs housemanship + 2yrs compulsory service

-none of our local medical degree from any uni(govt and private) is recognized else where in the world except UM recognized by Singapore medical council and Aimst uni recognized by Indian medical council, so if you plan to migrate dont do medicine.

-none of our local master specialist training programmes are recognized anywhere in the world, if you plan to migrate after u become specialist, forget it.

-you can sit external UK based papers(MRCP, MRCS, MRCOG ect) to go overseas. but those exams is an entrance exams, meaning once you pass the exams you are qualify to apply for specialist training and you need to be employed in the particular country b4 going over.

-duration for waiting for houseman post(in 2018) is close to 1yr. by the time u graduate from medical school expect to be even longer.

- house officer are now being employed on contract basis, the contract is 2+2yrs. until now no 1 know what will happen to those houseofficer after the 2+2yrs contract ends.  put in a simple words. Doctors being jobless is a reality.
not to scare you, but just facts!!
if you are just curious how human body works read "guyton and hall medical physiology" its enough as a casual reader.
In medical school you have no time to enjoy reading. all your reading is for upcoming exams. learning schedule is very tight!
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Another option is USMLE.

Just for prospective students info , Some Monash students managed to get houseman in Aussie while Newcastle students in UK. However, whether this will still hold true in a few years time remain to be seen .
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post Oct 17 2018, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(Captain8 @ Oct 17 2018, 12:16 PM)
Ah, no training on cadavers, if become surgeon would be.... sounds risky.
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One does not just "become surgeon". Training to be a surgeon, like many other specialties will take at least 10 years AFTER you've graduated from medical school.
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QUOTE(wangpatan @ Oct 16 2018, 08:59 PM)
hi, i hope i can give you some facts about going into medicine in Malaysia



-none of our local medical degree from any uni(govt and private) is recognized else where in the world except UM recognized by Singapore medical council and Aimst uni recognized by Indian medical council, so if you plan to migrate dont do medicine.

Since when UKM dropped out of the list "LIST OF REGISTRABLE BASIC MEDICAL QUALIFICATIONS" of Singapore Medical Council ?
I saw the latest list, UKM is still there.
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post Oct 18 2018, 02:23 PM

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Inevitably, when discussing medicine, working outside msia will be brought up....

Quite a few msian medical qualifications are recognised for registration elsewhere....

UM/ukm: spore
Monash: Australia, NZ
Numed: UK
PMC: Ireland (but almost no chance of jobs)
IMU (local): Sri Lanka
Aimst: ? India (claimed above but doubtful)

I don't know of anyone aiming to go work in 3rd world countries, so the last 2 are of no practical use...

Monash graduates have gone to work in Oz and NZ at both intern and MO levels....the removal of the 457 visa now makes it impossible, until the replacement tss visa apparently recognises the clinical years as equivalent to "2 years work experience"....lol

Numed graduates apparently can use the tier 4 visa to work as fy in uk....

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post Oct 18 2018, 03:56 PM

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My 2 cents ...

Expose yourself to the real work life of the 2 professions you have in mind. Maybe write to companies stating your objectives and see if they can have you for 2-4 weeks. Can ask friends of relatives etc who are in that fields. My younger son wants to be a pilot. Planning to write to the local airport to see if they can take him for a few weeks to expose him to the real world.

After exposing yourself to the 2 professions, then see which one is really what you have in mind and prefer.

What you think now may not be what the profession is really about.

I like computing but I am not a computer graduate. Why? I like solving my own IT problems. But as an IT graduate, one will have to solve other people's problems! That will take the joy and fun out for me. Ha.

Oh ya, work satisfaction and enjoyment are paramount in your later life.

All the very best to your decision and future life chapters!
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post Oct 18 2018, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 18 2018, 03:56 PM)
My 2 cents ...

Expose yourself to the real work life of the 2 professions you have in mind. Maybe write to companies stating your objectives and see if they can have you for 2-4 weeks. Can ask friends of relatives etc who are in that fields. My younger son wants to be a pilot. Planning to write to the local airport to see if they can take him for a few weeks to expose him to the real world.

After exposing yourself to the 2 professions, then see which one is really what you have in mind and prefer.

What you think now may not be what the profession is really about.

I like computing but I am not a computer graduate. Why? I like solving my own IT problems. But as an IT graduate, one will have to solve other people's problems! That will take the joy and fun out for me. Ha.

Oh ya, work satisfaction and enjoyment are paramount in your later life.

All the very best to your decision and future life chapters!
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hmm.gif Seems really hard for kids these days to even find "Companies" to write to, to let you intern 2-4 weeks for exposures. sweat.gif
Its like most of them, including me, have no gutts to do so.

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post Oct 19 2018, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(Captain8 @ Oct 17 2018, 12:16 PM)
Ah, no training on cadavers, if become surgeon would be.... sounds risky.
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Ah, threat is started as a going into undergraduate medical school or engineering.

Becoming a surgeon is post graduate training, which is beyond context of threat..

No point discussing how to become a surgeon when one haven't even started pre-u studies. It's like discussing about getting married and start a family with someone when one doesn't even have a boyfriend/girlfriend..


A little insight undergraduate and postgraduate medical training is:

Undergraduate:
-Study basic science well
-Learn history taking on real patient
-Do a good Physical examination on real patient
-Learn basic management (discuss with teaching doctors.)

Postgraduate:
Treating hands on REAL patient with REAL diseases under supervision of a qualified to teach specialist in qualified training centers.


It's so easy to get side tracked... 😁

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post Oct 19 2018, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(limmi01 @ Oct 17 2018, 09:21 PM)
Since when UKM dropped out of the list "LIST OF REGISTRABLE BASIC MEDICAL QUALIFICATIONS" of Singapore Medical Council ?
I saw the latest list, UKM is still there.
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Thank you for adding it... I've missed it

 

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