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post Sep 26 2018, 08:57 AM, updated 8y ago

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So do you notice those UNICEF donations when you are in the shopping mall?

Some approach you aggresively

so last couple of months ayam got approached and me just agree to donate

nak donate cash tak boleh, need monthly commitment by credit card only

so ayam proceed, ask minimum amount how much she said rm50

I ok la..then now wanna cancel, i just called the hotline, and she said oh, why to cancel? I just said gonna use my money elsewhere. And suddenly she offers "oh, you can reduce your commitment to just RM10 per month, as long as you keep contributing"
I mean that sounds shady, i just stopped donate and move on.

wonder what other /k think bout this?
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post Sep 26 2018, 08:58 AM

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hahaha

used to work with them

can't cope with the work, felt guilty for those people like you.

funny thing is

normie willing to donate,
elite/rich will think twice to donate/mostly walk away

hmmm why eh?

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post Sep 26 2018, 08:59 AM

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According to the official website, you can donate without monthly commitment.

https://www.unicef.my/donations/chooselife/...tm_campaign=W02

Ayam skeptical about those at malls hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:02 AM

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these are marketting officers, they or company usually get a cut before unicef actually get the money... i just walk away...
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Even at pasar also got... kinda shady if u ask me. They need to have city council chop and approval to do this out there. I doubt many actually have follow the procedure. Worse is some might just wear the UNICEF uniform and scam u money
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Sep 26 2018, 08:58 AM)
hahaha

used to work with them

can't cope with the work, felt guilty for those people like you.

funny thing is

normie willing to donate,
elite/rich will think twice to donate/mostly walk away

hmmm why eh?
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How's the pay? Got commission for performance? Or is it just because the job looks good on resume?

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post Sep 26 2018, 09:04 AM

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those people you see in shopping mall or in front of bank usually have some percentage of commission.

those donations they collected will first deduct their "admin fee", "commission", or whatever terms. then only the donations will give to those who need it.

iinm only 30% left of the donation will channel to the real people.
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:05 AM

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since there was expose on how the heads of unicef got paid in millions of dollars yearly and got so much priveleges, I dun wat la to donate
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Sep 26 2018, 09:04 AM)
those people you see in shopping mall or in front of bank usually have some percentage of commission.

those donations they collected will first deduct their "admin fee", "commission", or whatever terms. then only the donations will give to those who need it.

iinm only 30% left of the donation will channel to the real people.
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30%? I thought it was lower than that... but doesnt important if i want to donate I would have donated directly to them instead of through this people.
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Never like kids so i told them to buzz off
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:11 AM

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Even UNICEF spends a large amount of donations on operations and management. I think it was around 14 or 15 cents out of every dollar donated that actually goes to the children. 14-15% doesn't sound charitable but everyone from the people collecting the donation and the people handling it found a way to make it economically feasible for themselves. Just remember that individual chapters would have different numbers. Some in developed countries with strict government regulations and transparency policy probably have better efficiency rates.

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post Sep 26 2018, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 26 2018, 09:05 AM)
since there was expose on how the heads of unicef got paid in millions of dollars yearly and got so much priveleges, I dun wat la to donate
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really?
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:11 AM

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Got another wwf... World wildfire federation. I think also about donation....

Someone in mall, banking area,
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:12 AM

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How about those WWF thingy they just ask u to give a signature on a piece of big paper?
No need donations right? those are actually employed by WWF ?
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(BerusGigi @ Sep 26 2018, 09:04 AM)
How's the pay? Got commission for performance? Or is it just because the job looks good on resume?
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pay was alright according to them.. but i stop halfway(cant cope with their working, feeling guilty for those pipul like you guys)

no commission since i didnt get any signup.. sweat.gif

went for job seeking when one of them offer me to join their team.. whistling.gif

thought wanna join their office league but instead join their donation collector group.


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post Sep 26 2018, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(Miracles @ Sep 26 2018, 08:59 AM)
According to the official website, you can donate without monthly commitment.

https://www.unicef.my/donations/chooselife/...tm_campaign=W02

Ayam skeptical about those at malls  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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i mean the way the set minimum amount for donation is pretty shady if you ask me
every dick tom harry could do that, post a random google picture and some descriptions, walla

forgive me if now i'm being a sceptic already
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:13 AM)
pay was alright according to them.. but i stop halfway(cant cope with their working, feeling guilty for those pipul like you guys)

no commission since i didnt get any signup.. sweat.gif

went for job seeking when one of them offer me to join their team.. whistling.gif

thought wanna join their office league but instead join their donation collector group.
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wow so its just the same like those insurance/credit card recruiters


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post Sep 26 2018, 09:15 AM

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can donate via click LIKE on their page or not?
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:16 AM

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i stopped by them before at the entrance mall,quite aggressive,they said disebabkan tukar kerajaan so duit tak masuk liao.
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:14 AM)
wow so its just the same like those insurance/credit card recruiters
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i think so..since i never met any recruiters from CC/Insurance before sweat.gif

because their working style is

is okay as long you can speak english/bahasa

most importantly, you need to have sweet mouth

thus, me not having sweet mouth and always think about others pipul money, i cant attract donors la.

thus i quit thumbsup.gif
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(vhs1 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:11 AM)
Got another wwf... World wildfire federation. I think also about donation....

Someone in mall, banking area,
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its wildlife biggrin.gif

looks the same for its modus operandi

but i've seen first hand how WWF organize their work especially field work so i'm not that sceptic
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:11 AM)
really?
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I saw an expose sometimes ago, in Brits tv, on charities...unicef of coz will claim this is false
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Sep 26 2018, 09:15 AM)
can donate via click LIKE on their page or not?
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CAN, this is consider moral support donations laugh.gif laugh.gif

weird right.
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:16 AM)
i think so..since i never met any recruiters from CC/Insurance before sweat.gif

because their working style is

is okay as long you can speak english/bahasa

most importantly, you need to have sweet mouth

thus, me not having sweet mouth and always think about others pipul money, i cant attract donors la.

thus i quit  thumbsup.gif
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aha...we are the same..if ppl who got too much empathy on others definitely not cut for this kind of jobs
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QUOTE(melt @ Sep 26 2018, 09:08 AM)
30%? I thought it was lower than that... but doesnt important if i want to donate I would have donated directly to them instead of through this people.
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i macam heard its very ridiculously low percentage, but i not sure scare /k tembak me gao gao.

for the bolded part, its very hard to do so because if you give money to them, they also dont know what to do.

thats why i just donate without thinking how they distribute the money. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:19 AM

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FYI, they earn commission from those "donations"

their big boss, even better, fly first class on jet plane, company car, salary can feed an entire poor nation city, etc etc

breakdown all the expenses, only a small portion goes to those who it was intended to

think twice before donating to these scammers
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:17 AM)
CAN, this is consider moral support donations laugh.gif  laugh.gif

weird right.
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these charity org should consider method like those apps
give user a choice to watch ads to give revenue to the company

wonder why they still go around asking for donation
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QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Sep 26 2018, 09:04 AM)
those people you see in shopping mall or in front of bank usually have some percentage of commission.

those donations they collected will first deduct their "admin fee", "commission", or whatever terms. then only the donations will give to those who need it.

iinm only 30% left of the donation will channel to the real people.
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more like 3%

unicef doesn't mind because 3% is more than 0% no cost to them

but I do remember donating rm30 and their admin fee was RM29.70 or something like that...
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QUOTE(kutitata @ Sep 26 2018, 09:22 AM)
more like 3%

unicef doesn't mind because 3% is more than 0% no cost to them

but I do remember donating rm30 and their admin fee was RM29.70 or something like that...
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lol so only 0.30c donated? doh.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Sep 26 2018, 09:20 AM)
these charity org should consider method like those apps
give user a choice to watch ads to give revenue to the company

wonder why they still go around asking for donation
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they call it MOBILE MARKETING/AWARENESS.. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

i did ask before, why i cant donate thru phone call or email respective people....they said need to register with their officer (a bit troublesome actually)..i feel like the website a bit easier. sweat.gif sweat.gif


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Used to contribute monthly RM50, then reduce to RM10 after calling them up

What i did was after the credit card is renew, they need to call up and ask u to sign another form, did not pick up their call and the whole donation scheme is stop

For me i'll rather donate to those newspaper fund (Eg Nanyang or Sin Chew), at least u know what happen to those unfortunate people and up to u to donate.
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another scam to avoid is the Malaysian Kidney foundation. I registered biannual donation with credit card only to find out most of my money goes to the agents and directors not the patients
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:25 AM

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i encounter them in LEISURE MALL last week
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post Sep 26 2018, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Sep 26 2018, 09:24 AM)
Used to contribute monthly RM50, then reduce to RM10 after calling them up

What i did was after the credit card is renew, they need to call up and ask u to sign another form, did not pick up their call and the whole donation scheme is stop

For me i'll rather donate to those newspaper fund (Eg Nanyang or Sin Chew), at least u know what happen to those unfortunate people and up to u to donate.
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hey its exactly the same as my case
however i decided to stop alltogether

agreed on the last part. at least i know where my money went
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:27 AM)
hey its exactly the same as my case
however i decided to stop alltogether

agreed on the last part. at least i know where my money went
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but the reason why i donate is because i can claim tax relief from that.

we can claim up to 7% of our aggregate annual income.

you dont donate, the tax money also go to government, better donate to charities.
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Need a conclusion.. scam o no scam.. if scam why has it not been reported yet
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Charity muggers, good old scam.
make booth, show some cards, collect signature, now u need to donate, minimum rm50, card only.
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I signed up my cc to donate to WWF some years before. I thought the agents outside the bank were volunteers.I even thanked them for volunteering. In the form, I think they gave you 2 or 3 amount options to be donated. But they always recommend to have the card debited every 4 months to reduce some type of monthly charge. After a while, I called my bank to stop the autodebit but the bank said need to call the wwf instead. And the process to stop the auto debit is by mailing a letter. Who even write a normal letter these days? Never got to do it so I just got my card cancelled instead.

Sometime this year, my nephew met a group of GreenPeace ppl and were asked to sign up. Debit card also accepted.

And lately I see the Unicef people too but at the hospital (hukm). I always walk really fast at the lobby area. It's not just the unicef people there. Coway also there, other saleswomen selling pillows and shoes also there. Aiyo. Really rimas

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QUOTE(bamkai @ Sep 26 2018, 09:32 AM)
Need a conclusion.. scam o no scam.. if scam why has it not been reported yet
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both scam and not scam, they get legit permit from dewan to ask donation, they collect money and do send the collected money to charity, BUT how many % goes own pocket and how many % goes to the charity receiver is different story.
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I never donate. IMO, the UN is undemocratic and is one of the biggest leech on nations next to the EU. If they say they are helping poor developing nations, why are the poor nations still poor after so many decades? What are the results?
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QUOTE(bamkai @ Sep 26 2018, 09:32 AM)
Need a conclusion.. scam o no scam.. if scam why has it not been reported yet
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its not scam, in fact its approved by government.

the problem is how much will they give to the people who really need the money.
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QUOTE(arubin @ Jan 29 2013, 12:32 PM)
There's a reason why WWF allows these to happen. Not just WWF although they are the most aggressive right now. MAKNA does it to. You want to file a complaint against Majlis Kanser Nasional as well?

Let me put it this way, how many of you will donate to WWF on your own? How many of you are even aware that they exist, and that they need funds?

They need these people who are pushy and aggressive at recruiting donors in order to get funds. These people need to be paid because there are a lot less volunteers who will do it for free than you think. People only talk about wanting to do charity or helping out. Nobody actually goes out and does it.

Yes, most of the money from your first year of donations will go to whoever signed you up. However, if I'm not mistaken, if you stick to the plan for a while, most of your money will go towards WWF instead.

Charities have to spend money to make money. Its not so much that these people are making a profit, but more like WWF are paying them for their services. Sad, but true.

You don't approve? Go to WWF's office and write them a cheque yourself personally. Its located in SS23 Taman Sea. Or you could just mail it to them. This way, you cut out the middleman. If you can't be bothered to do that, than don't complain about there being a middleman. Its because not enough people will donate on their own that there needs to be a middleman. Its a necessary evil.
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Maybe some who work there can share the distribution of money. I dont mind donate if large part of the money goes to the right target

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haiz.. it time to do cancellation..
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:27 AM)
hey its exactly the same as my case
however i decided to stop alltogether

agreed on the last part. at least i know where my money went
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They were very aggresive on door-to-door visit at taman, suspect them got commission based on plan they manage to sell

The problem is Unicef didn't bother to send any financial statement to state how they spend the money

If u go volunteer yourself at Tzu Chi at foreign country, the organization didn't even pay single cent for your flight ticket, everything has to come out from your pocket
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QUOTE(Pikachu00 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:40 AM)
Taiwan red cross terus kena ban by red cross ( global main branch say not associated with them ) cos the CEO take 50% of the donation share as salary
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Sadly in malaysia we are quite slow at these kind of stuff but fast on which K-pop idol on the rise or which nobodies has turned gheys.
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QUOTE(GoingMerry @ Sep 26 2018, 09:49 AM)
It should a game they let you play. Then further sweet talking to you about saving animals.

I had experience with UNICEF. I didn't want to do auto deducting. Eventually I bought RM30 coupon, but the girl gave me sour face. Still looks cute though.
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no ask for phone number? u can give personal donation whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Sep 26 2018, 09:57 AM)
no ask for phone number? u can give personal donation  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Recently got new bunch. They say it is not for UNICEF but for refugees.

Beh tahan them.
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I more laugh at u for donating in the 1st place.
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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Sep 26 2018, 09:11 AM)
Even UNICEF spends a large amount of donations on operations and management. I think it was around 14 or 15 cents out of every dollar donated that actually goes to the children. 14-15% doesn't sound charitable but everyone from the people collecting the donation and the people handling it found a way to make it economically feasible for themselves. Just remember that individual chapters would have different numbers. Some in developed countries with strict government regulations and transparency policy probably have better efficiency rates.
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I agree with this
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Sep 26 2018, 08:57 AM)
So do you notice those UNICEF donations when you are in the shopping mall?

Some approach you aggresively

so last couple of months ayam got approached and me just agree to donate

nak donate cash tak boleh, need monthly commitment by credit card only

so ayam proceed, ask minimum amount how much she said rm50

I ok la..then now wanna cancel, i just called the hotline, and she said oh, why to cancel? I just said gonna use my money elsewhere. And suddenly she offers "oh, you can reduce your commitment to just RM10 per month, as long as you keep contributing"
I mean that sounds shady, i just stopped donate and move on.

wonder what other /k think bout this?
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how do you cancel it?
just call them
what do they need
i also feel like i want to cancel mine

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Used to be donor, feel con after hearing my friend as an agent how much the real money goes to the actual need.

Every month receive hard copy flyers to mailbox, wonder how much they spent on it.

I guess go through newspaper directly is more legit, at least the biggest portion go to the actual need not marketing and sales agent.

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QUOTE(jambu21 @ Sep 26 2018, 10:13 AM)
how do you cancel it?
just call them
what do they need
i also feel like i want to cancel mine
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call the hotline 1300300010
just verify ur ic and say u wanna cancel
n make sure not to be soft hearted on the phone
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Human Facts:

A,B and C walking at a shopping, they saw grandma drop a handkerchief, A think it's alright since it's just a cheap shiet, no she ignore, B feel guilty for not helping but it's just another normal day right, C approach to pick it up and hand over to grandma, A quickly respond to B that she would do the same if she saw it 1st too bad she didn't spot right on, B asked won't u feel dirty picking up that handkerchief the grandma might had sneeze or wipe her saliva with it.

Meanwhile A and B would donate a lot to organization, while C go to do charity like changing grandma grandpa undies, go assist in helping those retarded kids or special kids.

A and B feel damn proud when talk abt their donation, and they say C has miss out a lot cos C spend too much time doing charity during free time.

Such basic human nature, no need further explanation yea?
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As a rule for raising fund for NGO and UNICEF including...they get about 30% cut from the donation. They are private contractor to raise fund for the agency.
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ownself oso not enuff eat oredi, still wan donut
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Sep 26 2018, 10:15 AM)
call the hotline 1300300010
just verify ur ic and say u wanna cancel
n make sure not to be soft hearted on the phone
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been deducted monthly for about 4yrs till now. I start at rm50, every year increase rm10. now my monthly contribution is rm90. for me it's OK, not a big amount. coz if donate manually (to any charitable org/mosque /etc) always forget to donate. this way it's easier for me coz it's auto deduction. my limit is around rm200 for monthly charity donation. sekian
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Sep 26 2018, 09:12 AM)
How about those WWF thingy they just ask u to give a signature on a piece of big paper?
No need donations right? those are actually employed by WWF ?
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Same case like TS said.

I once kena in Mall as well.
But this time is minimum age requirement 24 years old.

Commitment by CC only. The minimum amount I forgot.
Same scheme though.
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QUOTE(xswatch @ Sep 26 2018, 10:23 AM)
been deducted monthly for about 4yrs till now. I start at rm50, every year increase rm10. now my monthly contribution is rm90. for me it's OK, not a big amount. coz if donate manually (to any charitable org/mosque /etc) always forget to donate. this way it's easier for me coz it's auto deduction. my limit is around rm200 for monthly charity donation. sekian
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good job mate, evryone should set aside some money for charity monthly

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I always skeptical about unicef and wwf because I believe not all money will goes to those needed.

I have more trust in World Vision.
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QUOTE(la bella @ Sep 26 2018, 10:29 AM)
I always skeptical about unicef and wwf because I believe not all money will goes to those needed.

I have more trust in World Vision.
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for me, WWF is okay
they got a lot of thing going on especially local conservation activities
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Donation min 50? Lol

See them always ask me sign things say no need money. After sign ask to donate. Lkl
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Of course a scam. Any donation has some kind of scam element there.

Better of giving to those beggars at street or those drug addicts than those who uses sympathy to raise money in their pockets.
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https://www.unicef.my/donations/chooselife/...tm_campaign=W02

Montly are Rm58 / Rm98 / Rm155
Or
Any Amount monthly
*Donations of RM50 and above are tax exempt under Section 44(6) of the Income Tax Act 1967.
That why those agent in mall will asking you contribute Rm50 per month as minimum.
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damn..this thred gooding

30% onli to the actual people who need it...wtf
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Sep 26 2018, 10:27 AM)
good job mate, evryone should set aside some money for charity monthly
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tks. for me there is no religion boundaries to do donations. once in awhile I'll donate directly to any church/temple organization. not to boast, just that I believe every religion / race should be able to live together harmoniously. that's all. just my 2cent though
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I used to donate to UNICEF but stopped (can't remember the reason). Last year I resumed donation and 1 week after signing up I got a call from them asking me to donate!

Got angry with the caller (Indian) and told him "don't you share info with yr HO b4 calling? He explained he was a marketing agent acting for UNICEF only and could not wait to stop the phone conversation with me"

I immediately called UNICEF to stop the donation explaining that I do not like it when:
1) You use marketing agents to tell a sob story to get funds as it lacks sincerity
2) You do not share info resulting in calls made to same person

In fact only yesterday evening I got a call from UNICEF and I told them frankly "I do not donate to UNICEF".
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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Sep 26 2018, 10:26 AM)
Same case like TS said.

I once kena in Mall as well.
But this time is minimum age requirement 24 years old.

Commitment by CC only.  The minimum amount I forgot.
Same scheme though.
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3 commitments method.

CC,DC and M2u account.


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QUOTE(xswatch @ Sep 26 2018, 10:23 AM)
been deducted monthly for about 4yrs till now. I start at rm50, every year increase rm10. now my monthly contribution is rm90. for me it's OK, not a big amount. coz if donate manually (to any charitable org/mosque /etc) always forget to donate. this way it's easier for me coz it's auto deduction. my limit is around rm200 for monthly charity donation. sekian
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same here.

going to start to donate since i have some contact left with me.

a bit easy for me la to locate them. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(faradie @ Sep 26 2018, 10:41 AM)
I used to donate to UNICEF but stopped (can't remember the reason). Last year I resumed donation and 1 week after signing up I got a call from them asking me to donate!

Got angry with the caller (Indian) and told him "don't you share info with yr HO b4 calling? He explained he was a marketing agent acting for UNICEF only and could not wait to stop the phone conversation with me"

I immediately called UNICEF to stop the donation explaining that I do not like it when:
1) You use marketing agents to tell a sob story to get funds as it lacks sincerity
2) You do not share info resulting in calls made to same person

In fact only yesterday evening I got a call from UNICEF and I told them frankly "I do not donate to UNICEF".
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aha damn no 1 is true
u know when i want to stop donation her ayat is liddis:
"don't you want to keep on donating at least Rm10 per month for the poor children in those countries"

Maybe its just me, but i felt that was like the standard script
no sincerity at all
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QUOTE(jerm57 @ Sep 26 2018, 08:39 AM)
I never donate. IMO, the UN is undemocratic and is one of the biggest leech on nations next to the EU. If they say they are helping poor developing nations, why are the poor nations still poor after so many decades? What are the results?
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UN didnt say will make them Rich
UN job is to provided food, medical to those poor which cannot effort it.

Do you know Rm155 only can get 360 sachets of oral rehydration [Medicine for dehydration & diarrhea]
Rm2.4 Per pack - 1 Sick person minimum 3 pack per day = Rm7.2

Imagine there are 5 Million ppl in Warzone country , remote Africa need this medicine.
It already cost UN 36Million. What about other medicine? Transportation cost to sent.

If UN does no get money from Rich EU country and Donation, who going to pay all these medicine?
Do you know how many ppl will die if everyone think like you
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 26 2018, 09:05 AM)
since there was expose on how the heads of unicef got paid in millions of dollars yearly and got so much priveleges, I dun wat la to donate
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Yeah, I read about it. How can the the head earn so much from a NGO and yet the organization still need donation from us..
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QUOTE(RegentCid @ Sep 26 2018, 10:50 AM)
UN didnt say will make them Rich
UN job is to provided food, medical to those poor which cannot effort it.

Do you know Rm155 only can get 360 sachets of oral rehydration [Medicine for dehydration & diarrhea]
Rm2.4 Per pack - 1 Sick person minimum 3 pack per day = Rm7.2

Imagine there are 5 Million ppl in Warzone country , remote Africa need this medicine.
It already cost UN 36Million. What about other medicine? Transportation cost to sent.

If UN does no get money from Rich EU country and Donation, who going to pay all these medicine?
Do you know how many ppl will die if everyone think like you
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The problem is that the UN also takes a lot of the annual budget provided by nations as "administrative fees". Worse, they never address the root causes of poverty or suffering caused by war and they are supposed to be a peacekeeping force. Why are there no action as extremist organisations like Hamas, Boko haram and others continue their operations?
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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Sep 26 2018, 09:11 AM)
Even UNICEF spends a large amount of donations on operations and management. I think it was around 14 or 15 cents out of every dollar donated that actually goes to the children. 14-15% doesn't sound charitable but everyone from the people collecting the donation and the people handling it found a way to make it economically feasible for themselves. Just remember that individual chapters would have different numbers. Some in developed countries with strict government regulations and transparency policy probably have better efficiency rates.
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WTH really? Only 15% get donated? That's an outright scam, not a charity
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The contracted company takes a commission off your donations
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been paying rm228 iinm every 3 months..auto deduct. now ady 3 years kot.. dah lama. but im guessing its ok, cos can claim for tax refund..
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Sep 26 2018, 08:57 AM)
So do you notice those UNICEF donations when you are in the shopping mall?

Some approach you aggresively

so last couple of months ayam got approached and me just agree to donate

nak donate cash tak boleh, need monthly commitment by credit card only

so ayam proceed, ask minimum amount how much she said rm50

I ok la..then now wanna cancel, i just called the hotline, and she said oh, why to cancel? I just said gonna use my money elsewhere. And suddenly she offers "oh, you can reduce your commitment to just RM10 per month, as long as you keep contributing"
I mean that sounds shady, i just stopped donate and move on.

wonder what other /k think bout this?
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Stop giving to the poor children. They are going to starve either way.

If you want to help the poor - go and help the poor. So far less than 40% of funds contributed actually reach the target recipients of most so-called welfare organizations.
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I personally know a few people who works for such organization and the way they spend the 'donation' is very extravagant to say the least.

Eg. I worked in a multinational company and at that time we had like 2 to 3 expatriates, when I attended a wedding for one of those international charity org, there was at least 4 white families not counting those expat from India and Africa. Why do you need so many expat for a non-profit charity org?

Another friend of mine works for a charity org fly around the region and stays in 4 star international hotels 3 weeks in a month. So often that the hotels leaves care package for him when he check-in.

The pay package is also very competitive plus they do not have to pay tax.

So imagine how much of your donation goes to paying salary and expenses and how much reaches the poor? I really feel that these international charity organizations have become a racket for those insiders and they put up a front by doing some song and dance but a very large percentage of the cashflow ends up as 'management expenses'

If want to donate better do it at your local orphanage or old folks home or animal/nature conservative funds.


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QUOTE(GoingMerry @ Sep 26 2018, 09:49 AM)
It should a game they let you play. Then further sweet talking to you about saving animals.

I had experience with UNICEF. I didn't want to do auto deducting. Eventually I bought RM30 coupon, but the girl gave me sour face. Still looks cute though.
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can recognize them from far, always u-turn or pick your phone act like talking to someone walking through them tongue.gif tongue.gif

and there's another one, budimas
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i stopped by them before at the entrance mall,quite aggressive,they said disebabkan tukar kerajaan so duit tak masuk liao.
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i remember one time reading about the head of unicef japan lives in a huge mansion with gold fittings and everything then i laugh at you all donating the money for them
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QUOTE(rakyat @ Sep 26 2018, 12:14 PM)
I personally know a few people who works for such organization and the way they spend the 'donation' is very extravagant to say the least.

Eg. I worked in a multinational company and at that time we had like 2 to 3 expatriates, when I attended a wedding for one of those international charity org, there was at least 4 white families not counting those expat from India and Africa. Why do you need so many expat for a non-profit charity org?

Another friend of mine works for a charity org fly around the region and stays in 4 star international hotels 3 weeks in a month. So often that the hotels leaves care package for him when he check-in.

The pay package is also very competitive plus they do not have to pay tax.

So imagine how much of your donation goes to paying salary and expenses and how much reaches the poor? I really feel that these international charity organizations have become a racket for those insiders and they put up a front by doing some song and dance but a very large percentage of the cashflow ends up as 'management expenses' 

If want to donate better do it at your local orphanage or old folks home or animal/nature conservative funds.
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usually i'll ask those unicef agents to give me happy ending in return when they approach me. so they will walk away usually.
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fuark la wei

ayam now travel in taipei kena same tactic wei

lucky ayam cabut

not unesco but amnesty

wtf
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QUOTE(souldragon @ Sep 26 2018, 01:01 PM)
cos normie like to kena scam, and fund the lifestyle of the rich

rich knows this is a sham, only a small portion actually goes to charity
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QUOTE(rakyat @ Sep 26 2018, 12:14 PM)
I personally know a few people who works for such organization and the way they spend the 'donation' is very extravagant to say the least.

Eg. I worked in a multinational company and at that time we had like 2 to 3 expatriates, when I attended a wedding for one of those international charity org, there was at least 4 white families not counting those expat from India and Africa. Why do you need so many expat for a non-profit charity org?

Another friend of mine works for a charity org fly around the region and stays in 4 star international hotels 3 weeks in a month. So often that the hotels leaves care package for him when he check-in.

The pay package is also very competitive plus they do not have to pay tax.

So imagine how much of your donation goes to paying salary and expenses and how much reaches the poor? I really feel that these international charity organizations have become a racket for those insiders and they put up a front by doing some song and dance but a very large percentage of the cashflow ends up as 'management expenses' 

If want to donate better do it at your local orphanage or old folks home or animal/nature conservative funds.
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last time got Unicef donation for under privilege kids to buy study items like books, writing instrument

i sponsor many sets .....

Then one day receive call they say thanks for my contribution ....Gave me Anderson from Manchester United boots framed and signed and also a photo with signature from whole Manchester United team got Rooney and Alex Ferguson signature too

I am not a Manchester fans .....gave it to my die hard Manchester colleague ...he happy until cry. Buy me food and drinks for months really lol

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just want to ask.. the un refugee one and also the budimas.. does they also same operation mode?.. means very little reached to those needed after deduct 'admin fee'

if yes.. i am going to cancel.. no money to give those rich people to enjoy high pay n lifestyle.
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Sep 26 2018, 08:58 AM)
hahaha

used to work with them

can't cope with the work, felt guilty for those people like you.

funny thing is

normie willing to donate,
elite/rich will think twice to donate/mostly walk away

hmmm why eh?
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I saw those young angmohs working on this Unicef donations around KL malls

those got valid documents or just illegal workers too?
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I saw those young angmohs working on this Unicef donations around KL malls

those got valid documents or just illegal workers too?
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99% malaysian IC

got some from other world UNICEF office (EU/South africa)

i didnt get all the details


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most big ngo are scams...how many % of your donation u think will reach the ppl ? ppl in the company are bloody rich coz of the donation ...
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Sep 26 2018, 01:24 PM)
99% malaysian IC

got some from other world UNICEF office (EU/South africa)

i didnt get all the details
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where got?

I've seen some unicef donation young angmohs in publika area asking for donations

I dont think they are fake staff since they asking for monthly contributions
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:14 AM)
wow so its just the same like those insurance/credit card recruiters
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well to be fair those insurance/credit card recruiters offering you real service

unlike this shady orgs asking for free money
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Sep 26 2018, 01:28 PM)
where got?

I've seen some unicef donation young angmohs in publika area asking for donations

I dont think they are fake staff since they asking for monthly contributions
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i only work with them for few weeks only (so far i met the non-angmoh, all malaysian)

i only met 1 Argentina, 1 scottish and 1 south african,


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Donation oso wanna songlap.
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Sep 26 2018, 01:32 PM)
i only work with them for few weeks only (so far i met the non-angmoh, all malaysian)

i only met 1 Argentina, 1 scottish and 1 south african,
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Actually there are alot of expat coz their pay package will be tax free since it is a charitable organization.

Even the Malaysians workers will ask to be posted to Philipines, Thailand or Sri Lanka since they will get expat package (housing and relocation allowance) and they don't have to pay income tax.

You meet afew coz you worked in the front line, the back office is where most of them are.

I used to donate via credit card deduction for tax relief until I found out, terus cancel and never look back.

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QUOTE(rakyat @ Sep 26 2018, 01:53 PM)
Actually there are alot of expat coz their pay package will be tax free since it is a charitable organization.

Even the Malaysians workers will ask to be posted to Philipines, Thailand or Sri Lanka since they will get expat package (housing and relocation allowance) and they don't have to pay income tax.

You meet afew coz you worked in the front line, the back office is where most of them are
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thats why i dont know much of the office league UNICEF

since i was assign at the frontline.

only few work as frontline (non-malaysian i mean). smile.gif
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I donated last time when my income tax bracket at borderline, to make it don't go to the next %. But now no need donasi alrd coz die die also stay in new bracket....
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Sep 26 2018, 08:58 AM)

elite/rich will think twice to donate/mostly walk away

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elite/rich donate to organisations which they know will use their money efficiently
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Last time got those kidney foundation thingy also.

I keje kuli that tine. I said. Even my boss richer than me pangkat jusa also no ser them donasi. U wan kuli like me donasii meh.. Btw it sounds so stupid in first place that donation must have minimum amount.
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lolz.. saw them before at mytown mall..

just IGNORE them and let them talk to the air... why the fuss?
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QUOTE(jerm57 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:39 AM)
I never donate. IMO, the UN is undemocratic and is one of the biggest leech on nations next to the EU. If they say they are helping poor developing nations, why are the poor nations still poor after so many decades? What are the results?
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so you think bn and umno didnt do their job la?

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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Sep 26 2018, 06:27 PM)
Last time got those kidney foundation thingy also. 

I keje kuli that tine.  I said.  Even my boss richer than me pangkat jusa also no ser them donasi.  U wan kuli like me donasii meh..  Btw it sounds so stupid in first place that donation must have minimum amount.
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Minimum amount
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QUOTE(rakyat @ Sep 26 2018, 01:53 PM)
Actually there are alot of expat coz their pay package will be tax free since it is a charitable organization.

Even the Malaysians workers will ask to be posted to Philipines, Thailand or Sri Lanka since they will get expat package (housing and relocation allowance) and they don't have to pay income tax.

You meet afew coz you worked in the front line, the back office is where most of them are.

I used to donate via credit card deduction for tax relief until I found out, terus cancel and never look back.
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Although UN employees don't pay local income tax, they have to pay staff assessment which is similar to employment tax.

Go Google UN staff assessment. It is a misleading to say they don't pay tax.

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:14 AM)
wow so its just the same like those insurance/credit card recruiters
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if they cannot deduct from my debit card due to insufficient balance, do I will have bad credit record?

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