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post Jun 1 2007, 05:18 PM, updated 19y ago

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1) Fuji F30 vs Canon EOS 20D

see the 100% crop comparison here, from iso 100 to 1600:

http://www.neocamera.com/review_fuji_f30_crops3.html

amazing conclusion:

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The fact that the F30 and the 20D are aimed at different market shows in this comparison Consumer-oriented cameras, like the F30, generally produce images with greater consumer appeal than SLR cameras. This means more saturated colors and sharper images. Such images make excellent prints without any image processing up to common print sizes. At this, the Fuji Finepix F30 seems to excel.

The Canon 20D, even when equipped with a quality lens, still produces softer images with less saturated colors. These images have less immediate punch but are usually preferred by sophisticated photographers who like realistic colors and do their own image processing. Over-sharpened images are more difficult to process because sharpening artifacts can be emphasized during processing.

In the end, the Fuji Finepix F30 is an extremely capable camera which produces very appealing images where the effect of image noise is similar to that of DSLR cameras, although both cameras treat it differently. Notice that the 20D softens its images as ISO increases to hide the effects of noise. If we were to sharpen and increase color saturation of images from the 20D, we could get very similar results from the 20D without any processing.



2) Fuji F31 vs Nikon DSLR D2X (in chinese)
http://www.dchome.net/viewthread.php?tid=359668

i dont own a dslr so i dont know how well dslr perform in high iso, but from these tests, there is no doubt that fuji f30 beats canon 20D in low iso and high iso, the fuji image is sharper, if canon 20D is better its just slightly better.

same as nikon D2X, the IQ is not really better than Fuji.

why spend so much money on bulky dslr when fuji f31 is just rm1k and pocketable?

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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Jun 1 2007, 05:18 PM)
1) Fuji F30 vs Canon EOS 20D

see the 100% crop comparison here, from iso 100 to 1600:

http://www.neocamera.com/review_fuji_f30_crops3.html

amazing conclusion:
2) Fuji F31 vs Nikon DSLR D2X (in chinese)
http://www.dchome.net/viewthread.php?tid=359668

i dont own a dslr so i dont know how well dslr perform in high iso, but from these tests, there is no doubt that fuji f30 beats canon 20D in low iso and high iso, the fuji image is sharper, if canon 20D is better its just slightly better.

same as nikon D2X, the IQ is not really better than Fuji.

why spend so much money on bulky dslr when fuji f31 is just rm1k and pocketable?
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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Jun 1 2007, 05:18 PM)
why spend so much money on bulky dslr when fuji f31 is just rm1k and pocketable?


you won't be asking this question if you even know how a DSLR is different from a compact.

no matter how good is the F31fd, it's still limited in it's capability. your lens is just as it is. try having a look at the galleries where DSLR is used, some types of shots can't achieve them with F31fd or compacts.

again this depends on the user la. if your intended shots are like P&S style, then no point getting DSLR. as i mentioned some where, it's pointless to spend RM 2k - 3k on DSLR when your style of shooting can be handled by RM 1k P&S camera.

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now let's look at the articles you posted.
the chinese article says "F31 vs Nikon DSLR 之各ISO noise比較" <=-- ISO noise comparison smile.gif the article is about noise only.

note he said the following too.
當然, 這個測試好像令人覺得D2X和一部二千三百元的DC沒有太大分別, 其實當然不是, DSLR在影像細節度和層次感方面仍然是DC所不能相比, 其實上面的圖中D2X的crop位並不是在sharp位上, 真正sharp位的D2X影像和層次並不是說笑的說, 因此DSLR的用家請不要插小弟

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as for the english article, let's look at their conclusion (for those who don't intend to open the link)

Noise
Noise levels are comparable but both cameras treat noise very differently. The 20D seems to have a noise-reduction system that softens details more and so its images appear less grainy at high-ISO. Nevertheless, there seems to be similar noise levels which is quite surprising between an ultra-compact and a DSLR.

Color
Colors are different due to different automatic white balances. As a result, colors from the 20D are much more accurate. Conversely, the Fuji Finepix F30 produces overly saturated colors.

Brightness
Even though the F-stop and shutter-speed of each image half are an exact match, crops from the Fuji appear brighter. This can be the result of two differences: ISO accuracy and dynamic-range. Canon and Fuji perhaps measure ISO differently, this would affect the overall brightness of images given the same exposure. The Canon 20D can also capture more dynamic range but since all JPEG images have the same 8-bit range, results from the 20D appear to have less contrast. Consequently, brightness will vary differently across the image.

Sharpness
Incredibly, images from the Fuji F30 appear much sharper. This is actually the most shocking observation since the 20D was equipped with a quality Canon lens. However, close inspection of images from the F30 show some sharpening artifacts, potentially explaining why the 20D images are visibly softer. This is actually our third batch of images since at first we thought the focus was incorrect.

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Am totally in agreement with goldfries on the use of a SLR vs that of a compact.

There are lots that can be done with a SLR that a compact can't, high noise handling capability not-withstanding.

I am also in agreement with the findings from the link, having done some experimenting with my f31 and 350D. Of course, my parameters used were not so meticulously calibrated, but even, as a amateur, I can tell the diff. Was posted here earlier



http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=11448843

One thing about the f31, the night mode is a total wash-out sad.gif

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i cant read chinese but the d2x was sharper, had more details and i'm wondering why d2x's picture is bigger? resolution should be the same for a fair comparison.

why ppl buy a dslr? faster fps? faster af? faster startup, faster and more accurate zooming. ability to change lenses. list could go on n on.

so even though i think the f31 is a good camera, i won't sell my dslr for it...
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QUOTE(??!! @ Jun 1 2007, 05:51 PM)
Am totally in agreement with goldfries on the use of a SLR vs that of a compact.

There are lots that can be done with a SLR that a compact can't, high noise handling capability not-withstanding.

I am also in agreement with the findings from the link, having done some experimenting with my f31 and 350D. Of course, my parameters used were not so meticulously calibrated, but even, as a amateur, I can tell the diff. Was posted here earlier
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=11448843

One thing about the f31, the night mode is a total wash-out sad.gif
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the Bell Tower @ Xian pic, i perfer the F31 i think the color is closer to the real color (yellow), the canon color is orange, may be u mess up the WB, overall fuji is unbeatable consider the price and size.


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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 1 2007, 05:40 PM)
you won't be asking this question if you even know how a DSLR is different from a compact.

no matter how good is the F31fd, it's still limited in it's capability. your lens is just as it is. try having a look at the galleries where DSLR is used, some types of shots can't achieve them with F31fd or compacts.

again this depends on the user la. if your intended shots are like P&S style, then no point getting DSLR. as i mentioned some where, it's pointless to spend RM 2k - 3k on DSLR when your style of shooting can be handled by RM 1k P&S camera.

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now let's look at the articles you posted.
the chinese article says "F31 vs Nikon DSLR 之各ISO noise比較" <=-- ISO noise comparison smile.gif the article is about noise only.

note he said the following too.
當然, 這個測試好像令人覺得D2X和一部二千三百元的DC沒有太大分別, 其實當然不是, DSLR在影像細節度和層次感方面仍然是DC所不能相比, 其實上面的圖中D2X的crop位並不是在sharp位上, 真正sharp位的D2X影像和層次並不是說笑的說, 因此DSLR的用家請不要插小弟 

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can give a link to the the dSLR galleries where shots can't achieve them with F31fd or compacts?

ya la, of course dslr is different, dslr got full manual controls.
my point is in term of noise, the different isnt too big, i thought dSLR could do better than that.

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QUOTE(clemong_888 @ Jun 1 2007, 06:00 PM)
and i'm wondering why d2x's picture is bigger? resolution should be the same for a fair comparison.


yeah i was thinking of that too. perhaps what they're doing is cropping the same area from the original picture size.

i lz to read chinese text, some more that one use traditional chinese text. maybe if i feel like it i'll go find whether they mentioned that.

why buy DSLR? for everything the P&S and Prosumers cannot provide. smile.gif


Added on June 1, 2007, 6:07 pm
QUOTE(greyPJ @ Jun 1 2007, 06:02 PM)
can give a link to the the dSLR galleries where shots can't achieve them with F31fd or compacts?

ya la, of course dslr is different, dslr got full manual controls.
my point is in term of noise, the different isnt too big, i thought dSLR could do better than that.


ler. our gallery got plenty of links already, there's GT gallery, there's fashion shows, there's shots where involve a lot of zoom and bokeh (like in my gallery). there's just so many la.

in terms of noise? your initial question was why spend so much money on bulky dslr when fuji f31 is just rm1k and pocketable? smile.gif certainly not about noise.

and to judge cameras based on noise alone isn't appropriate either.

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omg..another war is coming..dc vs dslr....

yala...dc cannot comapre with dslr....but fuji dc compare to other brand dc then can la tongue.gif
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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Jun 1 2007, 06:02 PM)
the Bell Tower @ Xian pic, i perfer the F31 i think the color is closer to the real color (yellow), the canon color is orange, may be u mess up the WB, overall fuji is unbeatable consider the price and size.


Added on June 1, 2007, 6:03 pm
can give a link to the the dSLR galleries where shots can't achieve them with F31fd or compacts?

ya la, of course dslr is different, dslr got full manual controls.
my point is in term of noise, the different isnt too big, i thought dSLR could do better than that.
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see my flower pics, in my now dead gallery. u can't achieve that dof on a pns.

have u seen the 1d MKIII? the d40/x series also does better than f31 imho. if i'm not mistaken the f31 is newer than the 20d(newer tech more improvements) the f31 has half the mp of a d2xs, more mp, more noise.
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QUOTE(dokidoki @ Jun 1 2007, 06:08 PM)
omg..another war is coming..dc vs dslr....


dc? what dc? AFAIK DC means Digital Camera.

i look at them as
-compact a.k.a P&S
-prosumer
-Digital SLR a.k.a DSLR

biggrin.gif so anyway P&S vs DSLR war? no way man, that's the the article was just comparing image quality only. they're not dumb enough to start such a war. smile.gif

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it's a healthy debate.
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QUOTE(clemong_888 @ Jun 1 2007, 06:13 PM)
if i'm not mistaken the f31 is newer than the 20d(newer tech more improvements) the f31 has half the mp of a d2xs, more mp, more noise.
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clemong_888 - the 20D was compared to F30, not F31. smile.gif earlier i checked out their date, 20D was announecd mid 05 while F30 announced early 06.

i wanted to post this earlier but i removed it. biggrin.gif since you mentioned it, ok la add to it.
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QUOTE(clemong_888 @ Jun 1 2007, 06:13 PM)
see my flower pics, in my now dead gallery. u can't achieve that dof on a pns.

have u seen the 1d MKIII? the d40/x series also does better than f31 imho. if i'm not mistaken the f31 is newer than the 20d(newer tech more improvements) the f31 has half the mp of a d2xs, more mp, more noise.
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the rose shots plus the flowers thread? mostly macro shots, they look quite normal to me, normal in the sense that pns should do it, may be i am not familiar with manual controls in dslr. sorry. icon_rolleyes.gif

no i've never seen 1d MKIII, its high iso very good? i will google for it.

heh you dont understand chinese language? studying in japan you should know kanji, just read thru it can pick up the meaning already.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 1 2007, 06:13 PM)
dc? what dc? AFAIK DC means Digital Camera.

i look at them as
-compact a.k.a P&S
-prosumer
-Digital SLR a.k.a DSLR

biggrin.gif so anyway P&S vs DSLR war? no way man, that's the the article was just comparing image quality only. they're not dumb enough to start such a war. smile.gif
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eih...my dc = digital compact vs digital slr ..

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QUOTE(dokidoki @ Jun 1 2007, 06:44 PM)
eih...my dc = digital compact vs digital slr ..
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ahh ok. i think i'll go DC also. tongue.gif cos even prosumer and DSLR we can use P&S style. hehe.


QUOTE(greyPJ @ Jun 1 2007, 06:36 PM)
the rose shots plus the flowers thread? mostly macro shots, they look quite normal to me, normal in the sense that pns should do it, may be i am not familiar with manual controls in dslr. sorry.  icon_rolleyes.gif


yes, flowers you can macro. how many DC give you decent macro shots? smile.gif but then that's just macro, what about tele?
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 1 2007, 07:14 PM)
ahh ok. i think i'll go DC also. tongue.gif cos even prosumer and DSLR we can use P&S style. hehe.
yes, flowers you can macro. how many DC give you decent macro shots? smile.gif but then that's just macro, what about tele?
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problem is...for me...the dslr didnt give me safetyness..as when hang the strap ard neck and carry it on the street...keep on feel like some goin to rompak me...but with DC..actually feel better..as when dun want take photo that time can keep in the pocket ..
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 1 2007, 07:14 PM)
ahh ok. i think i'll go DC also. tongue.gif cos even prosumer and DSLR we can use P&S style. hehe.
yes, flowers you can macro. how many DC give you decent macro shots? smile.gif but then that's just macro, what about tele?
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of course cannot compare to dSLR, price diff so big wor.


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QUOTE(dokidoki @ Jun 1 2007, 07:56 PM)
problem is...for me...the dslr didnt give me safetyness..as when hang the strap ard neck and carry it on the street...keep on feel like some goin to rompak me...but with DC..actually feel better..as when dun want take photo that time can keep in the pocket ..
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ya la, keep in pocket very safe, and very portable, carry dSLR for over 5 years, sure fall sick one, too tired.

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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Jun 1 2007, 06:36 PM)
the rose shots plus the flowers thread? mostly macro shots, they look quite normal to me, normal in the sense that pns should do it, may be i am not familiar with manual controls in dslr. sorry.  icon_rolleyes.gif

no i've never seen 1d MKIII, its high iso very good? i will google for it.

heh you dont understand chinese language? studying in japan you should know kanji, just read thru it can pick up the meaning already.
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i dont think u can achieve the dof with a pns. might look normal but its not as easy as it looks.
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QUOTE(dokidoki @ Jun 1 2007, 07:56 PM)
problem is...for me...the dslr didnt give me safetyness..as when hang the strap ard neck and carry it on the street...keep on feel like some goin to rompak me...but with DC..actually feel better..as when dun want take photo that time can keep in the pocket ..


yeah. which is why i'm still eye on compacts. biggrin.gif hang strap and neck is one thing, then the bag with other lens leh. smile.gif

the good thing is that people don't really bother about price of lens, people normally prefer to steal phones and watches. tongue.gif haha. but still it's scary to think you might come by "smarter" criminals.


QUOTE(greyPJ @ Jun 1 2007, 07:56 PM)
of course cannot compare to dSLR, price diff so big wor.


hehe. that's why if shoot shoot jalan jalan, get DC also good enough mah. wink.gif

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 1 2007, 10:00 PM)
yeah. which is why i'm still eye on compacts. biggrin.gif hang strap and neck is one thing, then the bag with other lens leh. smile.gif

the good thing is that people don't really bother about price of lens, people normally prefer to steal phones and watches. tongue.gif haha. but still it's scary to think you might come by "smarter" criminals.
hehe. that's why if shoot shoot jalan jalan, get DC also good enough mah. wink.gif
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