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post Oct 13 2019, 12:42 AM

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Both of my colleagues, 1 owned a Honda City same gen and the other one Honda jazz.

Sat in my car and told me that my car's aircond strength seems to be weaker than theirs.

My aircond power 4 feels like their power 2. I was a bit shocked to hear that, because i find it no problem and didn't notice.

If aircond strength reduce, what may be the possible cause?

Because previously the harness wire of my foglight burned and the entire harness wire burnt up, i dunno it got affect the aircond or not. But honda covered the repair cost and repaired everything.
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post Oct 14 2019, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Oct 13 2019, 12:42 AM)
Both of my colleagues, 1 owned a Honda City same gen and the other one Honda jazz.

Sat in my car and told me that my car's aircond strength seems to be weaker than theirs.

My aircond power 4 feels like their power 2. I was a bit shocked to hear that, because i find it no problem and didn't notice.

If aircond strength reduce, what may be the possible cause?

Because previously the harness wire of my foglight burned and the entire harness wire burnt up, i dunno it got affect the aircond or not. But honda covered the repair cost and repaired everything.
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post Oct 14 2019, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(SMH @ Oct 14 2019, 09:15 AM)
Not sure are you comparing like with like?

Let say City gm6.5 (FL) digital aircond got 7 bar fan speed control, but is it the other car also same digital aircond with 7 speed fan control? else difficult to compare also, only 'feeling' different...

my house got few ceiling fans, some got 5 speed some got 4 speed, when elderly complaint when all on level 2 some fan faster than the other, i know that is not a fair comparison.
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Yea, they are driving with the same gen.

Just 1 driving a lower spec 6th gen city

While the other one driving highest spec jazz. So jazz shall be similar to mine

Not sure was it me been paronoid, but I got shocked a bit. Er.. kinda a lot not a bit sweat.gif

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post Oct 14 2019, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(SMH @ Oct 14 2019, 10:55 AM)
Even same generation dont mean aircond panel / fan speed levels are the same.

Below are 'same generation':
1) GM6 before FL: manual aircond (all spec the same)
2) GM6 after FL (GM6.5) : S spec still manual aircond, E/V get digital aircond.

I assume digital version get slightly more fan speed level than manual one.

You still sure you are comparing like with like?
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Hmm... so in this case, it shall be different between Jazz Highest Spec and the pre-fl city highest spec, although both also with digital aircond.

QUOTE(meat @ Oct 14 2019, 11:32 AM)
If you notice significant difference in air volume since it was new, then it's a sign of weakening blower motor.
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Maybe have to ask the SC to check the blower motor

QUOTE(dickybird @ Oct 14 2019, 11:36 AM)
Not sure
If you're talking about fan speed or temperature  control.
Is it even like for like?
In any case, just take your car for AC check and service at the nearest Denso and maybe change the cabin first element if you haven't.
For your own peace of mind.
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I am talking about the fan speed.

Service at the nearest denso? Like shop that service aircond?

QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 14 2019, 03:43 PM)
First, do confirm what they say is true by testing it yourself. If so, a few reasons I can think of.
- blower not receiving enough power supply
- blower is physically sluggish
- dirty cabin filter (you can remove it and test the air flow to see if it improves).
- dirty evaporator. The evaporator is located downstream of blower - this is bad as it's inaccessible without removing dashboard, and a blocked blower discharge causes surging (high pressure low flow) which is bad for blower.

Edit: IMO, it's best to compare air flow by having the speed at min, medium and max for better comparison.

Edit 2: low air flow can also be caused by ice formation on outside of evaporator, which blocks the air. If you turn off the AC (to swich off compressor) and air flow doesn't change after a few minutes, you can rule that out.
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This is a very detailed reply.

Erm, what you mean by the Edit 2, if turn off Ac, and air flow doesnt change after a few minutes? If turn off AC, then there shall be no air blowing out right?
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post Oct 15 2019, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(dickybird @ Oct 14 2019, 11:47 PM)
Yup. Many DENSO service centres around.
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Oh I see. Can I know why dense SC? Why not Honda SC?
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post Oct 15 2019, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(dickybird @ Oct 15 2019, 12:59 AM)
Coz they’re accessible and cheap.
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Thank you dickybird.

QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 15 2019, 08:21 AM)
I was referring to switching off the compressor by toggling the A/C switch on the panel, i.e.  using fan mode.
When the evaporator has iced up, the air flow from blower will be impeded. Switching off compressor will allow the ice to melt. There are a few reasons for iced up evaporator, namely, too little gas, faulty expansion valve, dirty evaporator, etc.
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Oh i see. Then normally need to off for how long for the ice to melt? So let the ice melt, then i on back, if got noticeable air flow different, will be able to pinpoint is iced up evaporator right?



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post Oct 17 2019, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(dickybird @ Oct 16 2019, 08:27 AM)
If it's ice. You can hear the ice crystals bouncing around inside the system like you got sand inside.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Oct 16 2019, 01:48 PM)
The ice starts melting the moment you switch off compressor. I'd give it a few minutes to see air flow improvement. Happened to my ex conti car.
Come to think of it, it's unlikely the issue you're facing as the ice usually formed during long drives (in my case) and you'd see mist/fog in the air flow.
In my case, couldn't hear anything like that. Only realised when air flow reduced much.
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Noted. Thank you so much guys
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post Oct 23 2019, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(SMH @ Oct 16 2019, 09:23 AM)
Good write up!

Have a search on Yokohama Blueearth ES32, very good review!
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QUOTE(indigo_extend @ Oct 18 2019, 04:01 PM)
Agreed.. But less distributor / shop except in big city..
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This tyre quiet or not? currently using XM 2 but the noisiness kinda similar to the original GoodYear Excellence tyre

QUOTE(baiseliange @ Oct 22 2019, 04:39 PM)
normally how long need to wait for the warranty claim?
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can even be months if major claim, because they need to investigate etc



By the way guys, have you guys installed the reverse camera at outside accessories shop? I noticed my reverse camera after few years, now edi much more blurry sweat.gif Dunno what to do with it


and what battery you guys using? I saw a lot of people recommended Amaron for long lasting and just found out Amaron battery got few different spec, low, med and high.

How about Varta battery? Varta battery got larger size one instead of the typical small size battery we have.

Really need you guys input regarding to the reverse camera and battery. Thank you notworthy.gif
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post Oct 24 2019, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Oct 23 2019, 09:35 AM)
Outside install usually cap ayam brand so how long it last is  whistling.gif 
You can go back to the installer and just buy the camera and reinstall, no need the wire harness. Or if you want, I recall sifu gsan was selling halfcut OEM reverse cam.

About battery, all brands carry big and small size, inc Varta. I am using Varta NS40 nearly 1 year now but my pomen recommends upsize to NS60 since my FL car using more electric via DRLs. I am seeing how long this Varta last compared to my Honda OEM battery (20 mths), before I change.
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I see. Thank you

But then halfcut OEM reverse cam in this context means what? means just selling the reverse camera?

How much you bought the Varta NS40? is the size same size with the original battery?

How you plan to see how long this Varta last/ unless you plan to use it until it is dead and you got stranded. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Oct 24 2019, 10:51 PM)
You have to ask gsan about that. Try search his latest comments here.

Varta was RM220-230 I think. While I don't intend to strand myself, I am planning to use it until it dies yes. My commute areas are handy with pomen/workshops I know and I also have HIP of course.
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post Oct 28 2019, 05:18 PM

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Does this Honda City has wet type battery? Means it is non MF battery.

Anyone of you guys using it?


Thank you


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post Oct 28 2019, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(arza04 @ Oct 28 2019, 05:25 PM)
80 for the pair
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I thought SC can skim the disc?

QUOTE(ITforce @ Oct 28 2019, 05:29 PM)
I think it's MF battery cos I never top up battery water for 3 months+.
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Yea most people nowadays using MF battery, my old vios using non MF battery and can last very long.

So wondering this city got non MF or not.

QUOTE(danthe0 @ Oct 28 2019, 05:40 PM)
It's not really MF, you can peel back the sticker; the water hole is accessible (except center one need angle abit cause support bar blocking).
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Well, yea got hole but not advisable to pour water in it as it may disturbed the chemical composition and cause harm to the battery and your car.
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QUOTE(ITforce @ Oct 28 2019, 05:47 PM)
Oh. I went to 1k and 10k service and SC got checked the battery, not sure they got top up battery water. So far from mid July until now I never check the battery level and top up.

I thought wet battery has multiple water hole caps. But mine doesn't seem to have the holes.
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Nope. SC don’t top up. They just check how much charges the battery still retaining
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QUOTE(ITforce @ Oct 28 2019, 05:50 PM)
Not water, it's battery water. So u got top up ? How long is your battery?
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yep, my bad. i meant battery water

QUOTE(ITforce @ Oct 28 2019, 05:53 PM)
Mmm. If SC never top up, then it's about 9 months I never top up the battery. Don't think wer battery can last so long time without topping.

But I remembered I posted here before asking if it's a MF battery or wet type, and got few members said it's MF. By the way, my battery has a label with MF.
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By default is MF, so no need to top up the battery water

QUOTE(arza04 @ Oct 28 2019, 06:12 PM)
Yup sc can skim the disc also. Better sc if still in warranty but leceh the waiting time and all

I skim my out-of-warrnty axia disc last time at outside workshop..1 hour settle
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That's the downside of SC.

QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Oct 29 2019, 12:12 AM)
If you mean from factory, then no. AFAIK all Honda OEM batteries are MF type.

FYI some brands of car batteries share the same casing between MF & wet, just the sticker covering the screw tops will tell you that's an MF type. Between MF & wet, its the inside plate composition that matters.

FYI2, normally MF won't need top up water which is why the holes are covered. Unless the MF battery can run super duper long (3 years), then it will need topup. Otherwise it usually dies faster than wet type.

FYI3, the water used for topup is not normal water but battery water. Typically its Deionised water.
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Thank you so much for the explanation. You are helpful as always notworthy.gif

I am actually asking is there any not MF battery in the market for our city? Thinking of changing to non-MF based. smile.gif

and, i really appreciate the explanation. notworthy.gif

QUOTE(ITforce @ Oct 29 2019, 01:21 AM)
Means I no need top up battery water into the factory default battery?
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No need to top up.
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Oct 29 2019, 08:24 AM)
Non MF type (wet) sure got but likely capalang brands one, if you can find Century then go for it. I used Yokohama b4 but this brand is gone dy. Good branded ones nowadays (like Amaron) only have MF type. If you want wet ones, you need to hunt.
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Even the old good brand like Varta don’t have non MF right?
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QUOTE(Matchy @ Oct 29 2019, 04:14 PM)
From what I know, xm2 is one of the longest (if not the longest) lasting tyre out there... sweat.gif Maybe can try the new xm2+.
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Oh didn’t know got new xm2+

QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Oct 29 2019, 04:33 PM)
I did ask b4 but my battery pomen told me don't have anymore or he don't carry it. Maybe others might have wet Varta battery.
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I see. Thank you so much for your valuable input.

So currently what battery are you using??
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Oct 29 2019, 10:14 PM)
Varta NS40 MF that I changed to approx 1 year ago.
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Blue dynamic series?

QUOTE(eugene_gerard @ Oct 30 2019, 01:09 PM)
Bro if you’ve not found a trustable foreman yet check out Pusat Perkhidmatan Pelangi, nearby Kota Damansara area. A far uncle of mine. Been sending all our family’s car for 20 over years. Look for PAUL, he’s the owner and the lead foreman.
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Woah.. thank you bro
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Dear all,

So far I am having the following issue with my Honda City V Spec First Generation: -

1. The Driver's Power Windows, sometimes when I wind down for Touch N go or whatever purposes, when I try to wind it back up automatically, the mechanism seems to be having issue. The windows will wind up just a little bit then wind down again. Sometimes I have to pull up the button multiple times for it to react normal and auto wind up the Power Window.

I sent to Honda SC to check about it, guess what? They told me no issue and just add lubricant on it. I can't demonstrate the issue in the SC before and after they checked (The issue has been a B*tch.. like when it happened then I try to wind it down and wind it up automatically with my phone camera ready, then the Power Window just work perfectly)

So i drove back thome and the problem came back sadly with additional mouse noise now. I literally doh.gif Now every day if i drive (before MCO) will have the mouse noise at the door panel. doh.gif

2. Air Conditioner touch screen, now i noticed in a very rare occasion (but only started to happen very recently) , when I first ignite my car engine then I notice the touch screen simply not responding at all. So I can't open the air conditioner until maybe like after 30 seconds? Kept pressing it nothing happened.. then later on only it able to respond.


Any advice for me?

Thank you

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Mar 30 2020, 11:29 AM)
1. If you can't show the actual problem to SC pomen, they just don't bother to find out and instead do some makeup that won't permanently solve the problem. This is common for all problems I faced. The mouse sound issue you could probably show them if its that common now, but I guess the only way to get it resolved is wait for the problem to get so bad you can actually show it to them, I am afraid.

2. The AC panel lights on as normal just nothing happens when you touch it?
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1. But my warranty is ending soon. So I am kinda disappointed that didn’t bother much and made it worst.. mouse noise.

2. Eh yep...got the panel light but press to switch on AC no respond. But it is a rare occurrence yet only recently it surface. Someone else faced this issue before?
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Mar 31 2020, 03:03 PM)
1. I feel for you bro but I hope the problem will get worse so you can show it to SC pomen b4 warranty expires. Sorry to say.

2. Ur the first I heard about this, perhaps touchpanel sensor is malfunctioning? Like dispenser touchscreens, the touch function can spoil if used often I guess.
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I see. Seems like no other choice than to wait for it.

Woah, that would be costly to repair if the warranty officially ended. Hopefully the issuer goes away sweat.gif

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