since dunnoe who closed it , lets cont here.



http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...4200&sec=nation

Yeah, let all wait for the appearance of Miss Hypermount.

This post has been edited by travis_ckf: Jun 1 2007, 01:27 PM

Proton recorded Rm591m nett loss too

Proton = GG. All the major companies like MAS n Proton r losing big time. Wonder how the heck they can lose so much money after the gov poured so much $$$ WHICH is actually the tax we pay. Any good businessman will know how to use money to make more money unless all those $$$ went into pockets... Malaysia boleh~ I'd rather see the gov patching up pot holes on our roads with our tax money. Just my 2 cents neways...

This post has been edited by seancorr: Jun 1 2007, 01:32 PM

VW losing interest on Proton..

Now trying luck on GM?

Dreaming..

A person without dreams like a ship without destination.

Funny thing this thread still goes on. Heard from the radio about 5 times that VW is has washed their hands clean already. Badawi says so. He says their looking for someone else now.
Proton is in DEEP SH!T!

go try japan makers or korea makers or china makers ... always go for europe, us oe uk makers ..proton dun dreaming la ... learn from perodua ..

because badawi keep waiting sms from VW chairman...

btw, still got gen 2 sedan to save proton ...

sorry drifter, i had to copy your siggie XD

but hypermount still have not cut his penis

KUALA LUMPUR 31 Mei - Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi mahu Proton Holdings Bhd. (Proton) yang mengalami kerugian sebelum cukai RM619.9 juta bagi tahun kewangan berakhir 31 Mac lalu, segera meletupkan semua kilang syarikat tersebut daripada merebak dan merugikan negara.

"Proton mesti dihapuskan kerana ia terus-menerus mencatat kerugian,'' kata Perdana Menteri ketika diminta mengulas kerugian Proton yang diumumkan hari ini.

Ditanya adakah kerugian itu memerlukan para pekerja syarikat itu dibuang, Abdullah yang juga Menteri Kewangan berkata: "Proton perlu dihapuskan. Jika para pekerja mereka berminat untuk mendapatkan sumber pendapatan mereka boleh bekerja di syarikat automobil yang lain seperti musuh ketat mereka Perodua atau mereka juga boleh menceburkan diri di dalam bidang yang lain.''

Bagi tahun kewangan sebelum ini, syarikat itu mencatat keuntungan sebelum cukai RM18 juta.

Mengenai kerugian itu, antara lain ia disebabkan jumlah jualan kereta yang kurang kualiti dan juga faktor kebencian pembeli-pembeli kereta kepada Proton yang sering ditunjukkan di dalam siri Top Gear.

Penjualan kereta Proton jatuh sebanyak 40 peratus daripada 183,824 unit kepada 110,358 unit tahun semasa yang disebabkan kes rasuah yang berleluasa di dalam syarikat itu.

Bagi tahun kewangan berakhir 31 Mac 2007, pembuat kereta nasional itu turut mencatat penurunan perolehan kepada RM4.9 bilion daripada RM7.8 bilion pada tempoh yang sama tahun sebelumnya selepas siri Top Gear memberi ulasan sebenar mengenai kualiti beberapa kereta Proton secara saintifik.

Perdana Menteri pada sidang akhbar selepas mempengerusikan mesyuarat Majlis Tertinggi UMNO di Menara Dato Onn, Pusat Dagangan Dunia Putra (PWTC), di sini, turut memberitahu kerajaan telah memutuskan bahawa Volkswagen (VW) tidak berminat terhadap cadangan tawaran pemilikan ekuiti oleh Proton kerana ia mampu mengubah persepsi dan mutu jenama Volkswagen di mata dunia, khususnya di Eropah.

"Saya telah putuskan bahawa VW tidak berminat langsung terhadap cadangan yang dimahukan Proton dari segi pemilikan ekuiti. Mereka (VW) malu kerana Proton hanyalah syarikat automobil Malaysia yang tidak mementingkan soal kualiti produk amnya," katanya.

Sehubungan itu, Perdana Menteri berpendapat Proton perlu dihapuskan bagi menebus malu negara dan dendam rakyat di atas kegagalannya untuk membawa kualiti dan kuantiti di dalam arena automobil.

Dalam pada itu, Pengarah Urusan Proton, Datuk Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohamed Tahir dalam satu kenyataan bagi mengumumkan kedudukan kewangan syarikat kereta nasional itu hari ini menjelaskan, kualiti kereta proton dan kepentingan dalam membeli barangan asasi para pembeli kereta, turut memberi kesan kepada pembelian kereta nasional itu.

"Keputusan kewangan Proton juga terjejas akibat sikap para pekerja bawahan yang malas dan kerosakan peralatan asas yang lain," katanya ketika mengulas kerugian tersebut.

Namun begitu, saham Proton ditutup lebih tinggi pada RM5.35, naik 25 sen dengan 5,845 lot saham bertukar tangan sepanjang sesi dagangan hari ini.

Tambah Syed Zainal, bagi menghadapi cabaran operasi pada tahun kewangan 2007/08 yang dijangka lebih mencabar, Proton akan dihapuskan kerana kerugian yang dilakukan amat banyak sekali. Menurut beliau lagi, ada baiknya jika wang sebanyak itu didermakan kepada anak-anak yatim dan pihak polis bagi menangani gejala Mat Rempit dan Rasuah.

Sebagai contoh, katanya, negara sekarang mempunyai masalah yang besar dalam isu Mat Rempit dan Rasuah, Mat Rempit tidak memajukan negara malah memalukan negara dengan 'video lauk' yang menjadi buruan ramai Mat-mat IT. Rasuah juga berleluasa ke peringkat Menteri besar dan organisasi Badan Pencegah Rasuah itu sendiri. Maka ada baiknya jika wang sebanyak itu diberi kepada pihak polis untuk menanganinya.

Syed Zainal berkata, semua kilang syarikat Proton akan diletupkan serentak pada minggu depan tepat jam 12 malam dengan bom C4 yang dibekalkan oleh Kementerian Pertahanan Malaysia. Acara letupan itu akan dirasmikan oleh Tun Mahathir serta ia akan dirakamkan secara 'live' di semua saluran televisyen tempatan. Orang ramai dijemput hadir.

Bagi memeriahkan acara letupan tersebut, Syed Zainal berkata, letupan-letupan itu akan disusuli dengan tarian naga dan singa serta persebahan eksklusif Jac Malaysia Idol dengan lagu Gemilang.

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/content.as...an&pg=mh_01.htm

http://beritapalsu.blogspot.com/

Dreaming tooooo much also might ended up nothing.

WTF?????

proton really pay the price now for the poor QC in the last 10 years...

according hypermount, top gear is praising savvy looks cool ...

Proton Waja (Hardest Proton car before savvy) crash test by Top Gear

Drifter: LOL.

btw, my new colleague drive Wira...power window KO on delivery. Go to SC, SC say no stock for power window parts. His signal stick also broke. Also complained very heavy FC...when i ask how many km/l his Wira use, he says dunno coz the ODO meter also broken!!!!! LOL!!!! Wah-lau!!!!

I dunno whether to laugh or not...especially when i asked him the last question!!!

how old is his car when wll those happened?

Fixed....

waja got seriously owned on that one

your brake pedal with fracture your thigh into zeeeliiion pieces!

psstt.. hypermount said, waja is different class from the toyota

i'm really speechless...about 600 millions lost ...omg

lol Proton...
untung bersih 2005 = RM60m
untung rugi bersih 2006 = -RM600m

again.. a Remarkable Achievement In Malaysia... Malaysia Boleh!!

My guest:

150million for Khazanah relatives & friends
150million for Proton itself:
- 75 million for board of directors
- 60 million for spare parts
- 15 million for dealers

300 million unsold cars:
- about 10,000 cars under the sun.

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Added on June 1, 2007, 6:32 pmBtw this is interesting.

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jun 1 2007, 06:32 PM

I guess it's simple to make Proton a great company again...
All the Gov have to do is make it a true MALAYSIAN company and not focusing on it being a MALAYSIAN company...
I dun believe that of the thousands of Malaysians studying engineering, none of them is as good if not better than engineers of other countries...
So, juz forget about personal pride and focus on NATIONAL pride!!!

I guess it's just impossible to make Proton a great, or would I say a NORMAL company. Just look at the complains in this thread!

Oh, ya, engineering education here is like 50% of developed countries. 50% is a god damn fact. What we've achieved in automobile engineering so far? THE ANSWER IS NOTHING

Proton, you shall burn in hell

i wonder if it's the VW not interested or the G n P not interested... stop trying to control situation when ppl if offering help... who wold spend millions into a dying company n in return have no control of it???

Only a sor hai.

Our PM think other people dun have brains. Now no turning back. Good. I'm gleefully to see Proton die. And see how Lembik Lah answer for it.

Why doesn't the government admit Proton as a failure? The only reason Proton has survived so far is because of the unfair price imposed on other car manufacturer's.The car is of extreme low quality, substandard parts,and worse of all the customer service blows.

I find it laughable that Proton actually thought they would get investers. I mean c'mon, invest money in me!!! I will spend it on wine,women and song, spend 500 million send them the bill, and yeah, I can give a speech and hope that impresses the VIP folk and yes, keeping my fingers crossed, expect Proton to give me a call....

There would be a higher chance of Hell freezing over than getting that call, btw my land line, the telephone has no dial tone, so yhaa I'd put all my money and stocks in government public listed companies.....

just a rant

Speaking about GLC, MAS now is able to make turnover and now its back to profitable stages. Proton meanwhile, well u fill in the blanks.

Man those words really make my day!!!

This post has been edited by travis_ckf: Jun 1 2007, 09:21 PM

Thanks buddy!

u can check lembik lah's pockets, hairy jalaludin's pocket, kerismudin's pocket, "tak suka, keluar"'s pocket, semi value's pocket, Dr bila nak Mampus's pocket and many more...

i am sure it will be there...

LOL @ berita palsu! best!

Personally...I always prefer Proton to have a Japanese partner because Japanese always make cheap , pratical and very reliable cars...I remember when Proton had Mitsubishi as a partner, their quality were higher and much reliable too.


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proton is gone case already from the looks of it .lol

When will Proton have cheap sale? Like discount 50%? I wanna get myself a Perdana at rm50k.

proton already gone case since they lost mitsubishi as partner
RIP proton

we can do our part. Consumer power. Just wait, sooner or later, it will be another MG Rover, then Geely or some other company will buy it and ship the whole factory to China

hey, where's hypermount? We're talking Proton here, so why don cha commin?

if he reply, surely he gonna put in those hyundai, toyota, honda history larr...

Check the latest developments from paultan.org, where khazanah says something else!
http://paultan.org/archives/2007/06/01/kha...ll-on/#comments

Protong wont die.. maybe in 2020 the government force us pay 30k as tax for a Saga if bought a import car... so you will own 2 car in a same time..

maybe proton saga our own "mini cooper" because of "distinctive" design

hopefully proton can fire out some useless staffs to cut cost... dont use our tax to feed them... i believe the proton car quality will increase after unemploy some staff, they will afraid they are the next ppl to be fire... otherwise dont have other car manufacturer will invest money on proton if the useless staffs still there, they wont use their money to feed them...

today i saw a gen2 sedan at kesas highway, front bumper and rear bonnet full of black tape... will looking forward how the gen2 sedan will help proton to increase the sale...

hehe..gen2 sedan..saw dat in another thread here..not bad mar..

target market = waja target market??

the point is they wont refuse any ...

ya, interesting since new vios will be launch year end ...

Read frm the Sun newspaper yesterday their talk went flat rite? PM expects proton to find other partner? Whom do u think Proton shld work with?

Foton<---- lorry maker in china.....

no one will take over proton when they don't get the controlling stake + decision making to turn around the company

I believe any company can also make it depending as to how decisions are being made.

If the staffs are delinquent and frequently causes problem, then fire them lar.

If you pay good money for parts but lousy quality, change supplier.

Proton's problem ? self-propogated - it is not impossible to solve them provided the decision-making lies right at the hand of the right people.

I KNOW!!!... u know why proton and GOV wait 3 months to find partner?...

BECAUSE... the new model is coming out july and august... so they try luck - if sales good then reject foreign company... if sales no good then find lor

Absolute bullocks. Proton now in dying stages and the new models are actually extended from the current platform. The new gen2 sedan is taken from an extended gen2 chassis and the IRM is an extended savvy platform. They really need a strategic partner in long term to get new platforms as they cant develop a single new platform themselves.

The gov is stressing them to find a strategic partner as they did mentioned they will be no company bailout from the gov. Najib say that in today's papers.

because there are ppl like hypermount

No one will buy unless goverment will give out their control. Outsourcing from oversea for a goverment company? Alamak... serious man

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: Jun 2 2007, 11:22 AM

Miss hypermount MIA

lol she canot handle so much stick
wait u guys cold down then she will come our and defense
this is our miss hypermount style

Oh, u mean the Wira???

I don't think it's a staff problem @ Proton...
They can't change supplier as they can only get parts frm Malaysian suppliers...

Hypermount went for sex change oredi meh?

havent go for sex change better don't post in LYN well, probably he will, if he has the balls, attached or unattached.

good video.

hahhhhaaaahha! funny lol.........

BTW wheres Hypermount now?

Flying to Bangkok perhaps. Maybe we will see him performing in Patpong in those 2nd floor bars one day.

he got no balls to post now

I LOL'ed about hypermount balls like hell. It's getting really embarassing for him...

BUT, Proton deserves the embarassment 10X of what hyper is getting for cheating what their wrong doings all these years

may i ask who is thie HyperMount person ?

Hypermount is our resident Proton lover. As you can see in the above quotes, he promised to cut his penis if the proposed VW-Proton takeover fails.

Khazanah say VW still in talks, new backdate is 31/8/07. So can hold operation first:P

source?

I doubt the VW chief is even gonna bother anymore. The terms will always be the same - the foreign investing company will be on the losing end. So long as Proton/Government is not willing to lose face, there will be no deal.

we can wait, patience is virtue

Yes...yes...i'm eagerly awaiting for the upacara potong ku-ku chiu.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showuser=9568

juz lose the national pride n sell the stupid comp laa.. WTF we care bout national pride n all??!! even perodua also not truly own by malaysians, so r many other doin well huge corporations in malaysia.. sure got some foreign ownnership. but the govt dont wanna reveal 2 keep face..

all we want r good cars.. its not that im not proud that my home country has a car manufacturing comp that is truly own by malaysians.. but wats the meaning of proud when all this comp comes out wit r rubbish?? we've been cheated 4 yrs now.. so govt, do the right thing.. give us good cars that we truly deserve..

ive been discussing wit my mom the other day when this vw proton matter came out in buletin utama the other day.. she said, who in their right mind would wanna buy sumthin that they cant truly have a say in it??!!

Besides that, who would wanna takeover a dying carmaker with declining market share who call the shots instead of VW. IMHO, VW CEO won't be so low to agree to Proton's terms which doesn't sound like they're sincere enough to have a foreign partner.

It proves people like you are easily fooled. VW deal off long ago before our prime minister announce it to public. If you thought Proton/VW will materialise, you are naive.

Actually the other people is foolish enough for not understand the complexity of politic bickerings betweeen the Cabinet ministers. At one time, it was announced VW had secured the deal, the other camp did not agree to that (e currernt administration who have interest in Naza) then Pak Lah with no balls can't make a decision and tried to condescend to both camps. If proton doesn't hold value much, why the f*** foreign marques showed intrest in the first place. Miss TDM, at least he could force them to reach final consensus with a bit of less freedom, a price to pay to get things done fast.

may be because people buy p2 because toyota, so people will buy proton car because VW ...

excuses. time to get on with the snippings.

As far we all understand how u feel, unfortunately our politicians dont. I rather put priority on making money rather than passion on wheels. Ask TDM for this screw up. national pride.

Are you a "miss" now?

n pls put some facts/evidence on ur arguement. I dont seem its believeable. Do u make it up to defend ur beloved proton till da end?

=.='''' just sell the proton to VW, malaysian will get a better car...

no point giving DRB HICOM, NAZA or Mofaz...

they too duno how to "create" a car wert...

Miss TDM and Miss Hypermount. "he" has no balls to reply to others

Popcorn any1?

http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles..._957/page_m.asp

somebody go chop off his kuku!! mch like lah his kuku is worth something puhton!

nobody likely gonna buy proton for what they are. but it will be for stake control in lotus at 51% (with kuku chopped off)

bottom line kereta thundercat megadie lah... unless they find a role in a thundercat movie or something...which likely not even going to happen.

This post has been edited by spikeman: Jun 3 2007, 08:33 PM

calling hypermount

http://paultan.org/archives/2007/06/01/kha...wagen-still-on/

Paul site says like that, but if you ask me, I am more inclined towards believing the MTEN people trying to give 3 years of grace period if Proton can be profitable. Another thing is the unprofitable of proton I think can go as much as 2 bil in red than only offloading it. Now even though Q1 showing red, those people are not really worried, but hoping for Proton will come out with better models fast. Also lots of jobs are connected with proton, and aside from gov who will be a proton customer for years to come, like the french gov and pegeot, I am not sure if the normal consumer could care less of what happens. Honda City is the more frugal car and that test was done with the car loaded with goodies and people and drove like real life not petrol saving tactics as the other car which entered the MBR.

Whatever happens, I had too much problem of being owner of 2 P1 cars in 8 year period, but both cars have different quality to it, only hope the Savvy, Satria is a good trend for things to come and not like Gen2 with door latch not even fitted properly at the assembly line or the 300 times opening and closing the car door will cause it to jam as those diplay models.

Proton has 2 people from Pero2 in now. More to come?

Yeah, this PM really ...

Are you sure???
Always remember there's still Perodua & Naza that will want the Gov's "protection"...
So I don't think even with Proton out of the picture, car prices will go any lower...

mystvearn, u got the same name as in paul.....u know me ka? kblabla9?

This post has been edited by Chyan: Jun 3 2007, 10:24 PM

aiks.... no more rebadged proton on mg rover?

I'm thinking, one way to save Proton, ditch excise duty on all Proton cars and make it uber cheap, make it minimal profit but selling mass quantity. Savvy AMT for 30k, now that's good. Savvy Sedan AMT for 35k, Gen2 40k, Gen2 sedan 45k, new Waja 50k, Perdana 60k.

By then Proton factory will be kept rolling... better than having it haunted by ghost.

yea...thats a good way to even encourage m'sian to get a proton. Pricing factor really bring Proton now as u can find other manufacturers selling cars cheaper and better built quality and safety- i mean more acceptable to pay such price rather than paying for Proton! haha

if proton wans to save themselves..better build better n cheaper car..or else... wasting OUR money!

if VW joins Proton or watever...will Proton start making good cars. Or will they continue making rubbish?

do you think tun mahathir will allow this to happen? nah!!!

but takkan proton wants to fight wif p2 regarding pricing

before u post anything, chop off first ...

the deal is OFF

PM said it's OFF
Khazanah said it's still ON
VW said it's still ON

Conculsion .......

it will, just like toyota buy p2...