going to take N1 soon, last time one shot N2 pass now not sure can or not

sorry, this question is N1 or from exercise book?

in normal conversation, if the meaning is 'this is the japanese dictionary I received from tanaka san.' i'll put it これは田中さんからもらった日本語の辞書です。

if the meaning is 'this is the japanese dictonary i gave to tanaka san' then i will put answer B cuz it would be more logical this way.

as above analysis, i think B will be more appropriate answer.

No, it's not N1 question... it's from N5/ N4 level of the lesson related to あげます、もらいます、くれます。

Yes... I think there's many ways to explain the same situation. My sensei always say Japanese is a language of expression, emotions (as the Japanese puts it) so different choice of words, particle, sentence pattern etc shows a variation in the "feelings" of the speaker, no matter how small.

Dang now I've forgotten what's the right answer to that question have to go back and look through my notes again. Aih so much to do yet so little time...

i think the most appropriate explaination is here, but i on phone cant direct translate for u guys. maybe after i reach home i can translate to u

That's a pretty good way of explaining; I find it easier to understand/ remember. I roughly get 80% of what the writer is trying to convey, but I'll wait for your explanation / translation to be 100% sure thanks!

「くださる」is the polite form of 「くれる」,「いただく」is the somehow polite form of 「もらう」.
the above give the most simplest form of くださる and いただく to make it easier to explain.

①「おしえてくれる」
②「おしえてもらう」

①　おしえてくれる, if the subject is the person speaking to (respectable target. in this case it is sensei)
the sentence will be like「先生が、おしえてくれる（くれた）」

②　おしえてもらう is when the subject is the person who is speaking (in this case they use 私)
the sentence will be like 「私は、先生に、教えてもらう（もらった）」

for the above if change to polite form i will become 「教えてくださる（くださった if past tense)」and 「教えていただく（いただいた if past tense）」

therefore, basically くれる and もらう is usable in the japanese language but it is dependent on the subject the person talk to as both above meaning is ( He/She taught me (something))

above is my translation. some i do elaborate and some i just direct translate. so if difficult to understand then sorry in advance lol

Thanks for the clarification...! Later will take some time to digest this.

did you pass?? any tips for future test takers?

passed N2 but can't speak / write Japanese??

not business level
exam is not real life usage

imagine u only study and speak for 2hours per week, how to be on business level?

I'm not surprised. If anything, the weakness in JLPT system is that it's all multiple choice. One can even pass with flying colours without knowing how to form their own sentence with the right order nor speak the language fluently. Unlike in Japan, Malaysia doesn't offer the environment to practice conversational skills and thus a lot of own effort is needed to practice speaking.

I think what gundamsp01 isn't the fact he/ she can't write, but probably find it hard to form sentences or write paragraphs/ essay.

Business level Japanese is a totally different scale than conversational too. However i notice from time-to-time, some institutions like Japan Foundation will offer such courses to hone communication skills. Do consider taking these courses up when it's available.

yes, what you said is right. I have less problem with daily conversation, albeit it is not fluent, as what you said, MY does not have an environment to practice the language constantly, when it needs to be formal and in respectful format, i do have difficulty to create a sentence with correct grammar and usage.

I will check on the bold part, thank you

another problem is, i can be good when typing and converse in japanese.
but the problem is hand writing, i can barely handwrite a letter in japanese despite i am holding a N2, situation is worst when u have time limit to handwrite during job interview or doing any アンケート in real life…

Damn right true. Imagine all the honorific expression when writing mail to clients. It's difficult even for those who graduated from Japanese university.

You got hardcore honorific stuff like:
*拝啓　貴社ますますご清栄のこととお喜び申し上げます　（Greeting (Punctually). I'm glad to congratulate to your company's continuous growth.）
*日ごろはご愛顧を賜り厚くお礼申し上げます　（Thank you for your daily patronage）

Key here is the understanding of grammer. If you can't understand the structure of sentences you will have a hard time writing even the most simple sentence.

BTW been in japan 5 years, passed N1 4 years ago, graduated with degree at japanese university and now working in Tokyo at japanese company. Any question and I'm gladly to lend a help or advice.

This post has been edited by sonicstream: Feb 11 2019, 09:57 PM

Sounds like fun. how much is the exam anyways?

i have been only learning how to read since last April.

I can only read japanese and nothing else, since my favourite translator stopped translating konosuba so i took up the free kanjidamage site and just learned to read.

If there's a chance, try getting an opportunity to study and work in Japan. That's definitely the fastest way to master the language huhu. In fact, when we barely use the language, our fluency goes down T___T

Need to save up though

I feel your pain. I'm definitely worse off, getting confused over my sentence pattern and how to modify them. When to use what etc. Short sentences are fine but tend to struggle with longer sentences. Really need to make time and be more consistent in studying and revisions.

It was even painful trying to read that (to no success lest google translate is used haha).
How has it been working in Tokyo?

JLPT exam is held in July and December each year. The rest of the info i suggest you Google and run through the official site.
Taking up the exam is not as simple as just being able to read; it's also about being able to understand phrases, grammar, comprehensions, listening etc.

yeah. i know. prolly need to go to classes.

nowadays i usually just read random stuffs from top 300 in syosetsu and try to cover 200k-300k characters a day.

But i find that there is always new words and new stuffs. Im sure there is a limit to self-learning

This post has been edited by Nachiino Etamay: Feb 12 2019, 09:32 AM

i am actually looking for a job in japan, but due to the fact i am currently in management line of job, it is hard to find a job which only require a conversational level of Japanese and focus on english for daily task

but i am still looking, it is hard, it is like chicken and egg situation, unable to improve my Japanese unless i go japan, then, hard to find a job due to i am not fluent in Japanese

Very well going. I feeling enriched actually in with my job although work load is high. (Frequently work overtime 1-2 hrs/day)

Thanks to the Japanese fluency, I have great relationship with Japanese colleagues and boss around. They been leaner lenient and kind on me.
Most of my friends are Japanese, male and female alike.

This post has been edited by sonicstream: Feb 12 2019, 07:38 PM

Yes self-learning is very difficult. Other than good discipline, it also takes longer time trying to understand the basics and learning the grammar, particles etc.

First thing you'll need to do is stop writing or reading in romaji. It should be fully in Japanese and try to avoid writing the furigana on top of the kanji if possible. Try to remember the Kanji and practice writing through various free apps.

Lastly, you may want to consider enrolling in an institution to help get you started on the basics. It's a great deal of help learning through a teacher.

Hahahaha yes indeed, that's always the case. But don't give up, there'll always be such opportunity! Broaden your connection and network.

Good to hear you're doing well! It's not easy but 頑張って！