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alvinrenren
post Oct 26 2018, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Oct 26 2018, 02:23 PM)
sticker wont usable once you peel it
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Maybe the question need refining. What if someone use rfid reader to read the sticker, and then replicate the signal. Theoretically we don’t need the physical sticker, just need the code it generates, which could be replicated, just like you need a rfid blocker liner for your wallet to protect your visa paywave signal.
alvinrenren
post Oct 27 2018, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(fireballs @ Oct 26 2018, 11:19 PM)
i guess depend on how you peel it. use a knife carefully sure can

if there is a will, there is a way
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Or just cabut your headlight as a whole, rmb the old times where headlights are easy to remove. Or just break headlight, then just take the rfid piece away.

Either of those ways u could cancel the rfid access to your realer pretty easy. Worse case they able to go though a couple of tolls. Could not use your ewallet direct at 7-11 with that sticker anyhow.

The danger is when your rfid signal is replicated, then you don’t know it was stolen and it could be slowly siphoned off without your knowledge.
alvinrenren
post Nov 1 2018, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(spyrr @ Oct 31 2018, 11:07 AM)
I'm pretty sure the signal is encrypted. You can't clone RFID easily. I wouldn't be worried about it.
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Or in another way of saying, each rfid tag connects to an e-wallet, when drive through toll, the toll scans your tag, does not tell how much balance is left, just request to deduct from your e-wallet, same goes for visa paywave. if I have a portable scanner to “deduct” from your tag when your car is parked in the mall or in your condo......

Replicate the rfid might be troublesome, but just rfid deduct rm 1 here and there.....many wouldn’t even trouble themselves to get new rfid ( not that it matters, still can steal the next day) more less do polis report.
alvinrenren
post Nov 30 2018, 12:12 AM

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Correct me if I’m wrong, usually rfid lane don’t have smart tag sensors. Anyway, I would remove the smart tag if I don’t use tolls without rfid.
alvinrenren
post Dec 21 2018, 04:05 PM

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I’m a pilot tester as well. I feel the headlight and outside window sticker is not a good idea. However it is a current necessity as many cars already come with tint and as such, leave no room for this rfid to stick inside windscreen other than to cut a hole at mid above rear view mirror.

But alas, this is predominantly a testing phase. Good or bad will be judged at the end prior to full implementation. To me, who drove in many countries and used diff systems, the one in Dubai ( UAE) makes sense. When u buy new car, it already comes with rfid, no rfid cannot drive out of showroom. It also sticks inside ( u can apply for this in our rfid program but must cut a hole). This rfid also has your roadtax data, no stupid sticker. Jpj / Polis can scan data easily with device or phone with special software and hardware.

With this, no need sticker, no need toll booth as all cars will have rfid as it is also roadtax, no need smart tag. Then u get Rubbish reasons like :
This is malaysia ma
So many old cars
Cronyism too much so these new tech cannot do


alvinrenren
post Dec 23 2018, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(gold member @ Dec 23 2018, 01:35 PM)
I concur this! A lot of our country's settings is to our politician's favours. We need a privatised a company owned business so it can sustain but at the extreme expenses of people? Why don't we use simple which our neighbour country Singapore is using? Just need an ERP gantry, no need to queue for toll or make highway jammed during festive seasons? If talking about cost, it is a necessity for car, rather than setting these toll booths. I still believe the active rfid is better rather than cr** passive rfid. Well, this is Malaysia and this is how our "economy" developed. Some "great" idea like "yes, we can!" later really can, but the huge bill at our expenses.  doh.gif
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However, this is a good discussion to hold, active or passive rfid. Personally I have tried both, and I believe passive is better. With passive u have less components to connect in your car. Anyway, it is the responsibility of the collector to ensure they can read the rfid. As long as it is installed correctly without tampering, any error also could be escalated by cross checking with car plate( this is also need to follow certain font as per law, rmb last year one stupid mp say it is for our safety to follow the font specified for our car plate? The real reason is for more automated enforcement and toll collection [which is not a bad thing]).
alvinrenren
post Dec 27 2018, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(gold member @ Dec 26 2018, 07:37 PM)
I understand the reason passive rfid is being used, i.e.: if select active rfid, more components means higher cost. And probably for the majority of the users of the highway who can buy "petrol card", modify their cars is a burden. But good thing about active rfid is probably we do not need toll booths and manpower. Probably it is like any other projects in Malaysia, first we introduce some sub par standard systems, later we can improve and that is how we make the money rolls.
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In fact passive rfid also don’t need toll booth, it can run on toll gantry just like active rfid (singapore erp). I even drove in Few countries with this passive rfid, just a square tag. No components connected and hence, no extra equipment susceptible to wear and tear.

Passive rfid means all equipment is on the gantry and not on your vehicle, imagine visa pywave or masterpass where your card (or your barcode product at supermarket) has no electronics connected, then the counter has a scanner that reads the card or barcode. All electronics are at the counter, all maintenance (when needed) are at the counter. Active rfid means each car need a device with battery/ connection to car battery which in turns means it needs to be bulky and runs all the time( unless it is smart tag where it will activate then run)
alvinrenren
post Mar 29 2019, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Mar 29 2019, 11:03 AM)
DUKE2 highway. Have to drive like 15km/h or less for the RFID to detect. Really lousy lah. Other country, they can implement it in highway. Even you pass at 80km/h it will detect your RFID. Therefore no bottleneck for congestion.  mad.gif
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Not just 80km/h , actually some countries have those that are rated at 180km/h. Toll collection is separate from speed enforcement in those case. Thus one of the main thing is for the car number plate to follow certain fonts for additional cams to take pic of and process automatically, not really ‘font size for our safety’ like what some stupid minister says.

Also ideally whole Malaysia must have this, then even car parks and road tax use this. Sounds too good to be true? It’s already implemented more than 5 years in afew countries. Unfortunately we need to ‘test’ this unproven tech with lab rats....

If only uncle Loke is more assertive.
alvinrenren
post Jul 15 2020, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(nikobellic @ Jul 15 2020, 01:02 PM)
Just received my self-fitment RFID purchased thru Lazada.
Wish to check anyone here with new Honda Civic fitted with RFID. Where is the preferred spot - front light or windscreen?
Just wonder the protruded chrome grill above the front light - will it effect the RFID sensor detection?
Also can i fit the RFID onto the windscreen if i am using V-Kool Elite?
Thanks in advance for any advise.
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New Honda Civic with rfid here. Stick at windscreen, inside beneath rear view mirror. Cut a hole for the rfid . The inside rfid is not the transparent one u use. It’s the white square one.

The method is to install rfid, run a day or 2 through till to check whether it’s working with the normal windscreen without tint (as most cars already come with a degree of tint level). Then proceed with tint.

Did it at tyre shop, had to force them to use the white one as they worry it cannot pass toll. Then later had to force the tint shop to do tint over the rfid and cut a hole(cause tint uses soap water and they worry it will damage the rfid). Common as Malaysia shops never see how overseas do these.

Anyway, used it around tolls in selangor/ KL and up to karak no problem. Best thing is not worry about outside stone chips and vandals .
alvinrenren
post Jul 16 2020, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(nikobellic @ Jul 16 2020, 09:17 PM)
You mean the RFID sticker can either side facing out?
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The one sticking inside is square white color ones while the one usually u see is the see through long strip that sticks outside.

I use the white square one.

 

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