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Unifi Official TM UniFi High Speed Broadband Thread V34, READ 1ST PAGE FOR TURBO SPEED INFO!

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post Aug 17 2018, 10:52 PM

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Hi all,
I am not so sure if TM really can give 10x speed upgrade right now.
As I understand it, GPON is shared bandwidth. Meaning the 2.5Gbps down / 1.25Gbps up is per port on the OLT. If there are 32 ONU connected to the one OLT port, all 32 ONU will share the 2.5Gbps down / 1.25Gbps up.
Furthermore, GPON is TDM based so each ONU is allocated a fixed transmit / receive time slot. Eg: If everyone on the OLT port is upgraded to 300mbps, the splitter for that port can only connect a maximum of 8 ONU (I am not factoring IPTV / VOIP / TR069 yet)

In my understanding, to mass upgrade everyone to turbo speed, TM need to rollout NG-PON2. Since the wavelength of GPON and NG-PON2 is different (meaning they can co-exist but not compatible), TM need to give everyone a new ONU, regardless of your ONU has gigabit port or not

I really don't think TM will buy more OLT and convert their PtMP PON infrastructure into a PtP PON

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post Aug 17 2018, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Aug 17 2018, 10:58 PM)
Not everyone in the same OLT port will use max 800Mbps etc sustained on a daily basis. sweat.gif
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I understand that. However it is TDM based so in GPON Line Profile, each ONU will end up having a time slot that is so small it limit throughput for each ONU even though the fiber is not utilized.

For PON infrastructure, concurrent transmission is not possible because all ONU in the same splitter (OLT port) transmit on the same wavelength, causing frame corruption, hence the TDM design where everyone wait for their configured time slot
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post Aug 17 2018, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(poh880 @ Aug 17 2018, 11:35 PM)
This has been happening since day 1, so? It happened to be so fast, no big issue for home users anyway.
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Let's say each splitter connect 32 ONU, each will have 80Mbps.
However, because not everyone sign up 100Mbps, the GPON Line Profile can configure each ONU to have the required subscription speed.

With 10x speed upgrade, even at 100mbps for each ONU, each TDM time slot can only run at 25.6mbps.

Yes I know Wifi, LTE runs on time slot too. However in PON they are fixed interval and must to be provisioned.

Let's say your area is congested, the congestion is upstream in the BNG or metro-e switch (the GPON doesn't congest because time slot is provisioned). What I am describing in the GPON limitation itself
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post Aug 18 2018, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(poh880 @ Aug 17 2018, 11:54 PM)
It maybe a problem for very congested housing area but most people who used Unifi not because they wanted, is they must use due to this is the only option. So before upgrade and after upgrade their still don't heavily use it. Maybe the OLT only used by 1 or 2 heavy users.
At least when I used 100Mbps plan last time, the speed is always consistent. 😁
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I am on 100Mbps too and yes, as long as upstream is not congested, you will get full speed.
This is a configuration limitation for the OLT. Let's wait and see how they want to solve it.
Pulling more fiber and breaking up ONU into more splitters / OLT port
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Upgrade to newer technology.

If TM decided not to upgrade today, then we are kind of near the maximum of the GPON.
When TM said they have a lot of unused Unifi port, they really just mean the physical port
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post Aug 18 2018, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(wilson1stop @ Aug 18 2018, 12:15 AM)
But many rural outskirts internet backbone NOT even support 40Gbps yet... just FYI  sweat.gif
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Actually TM can reuse their assets by upgrading some area, move the old equipment and redeploy in rural area.
They don't have to go ballistic right from the start. That's how I see it
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post Aug 18 2018, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(miloaisdino @ Aug 18 2018, 12:42 AM)
Maybe they using gfast for building basement to deliver turbo over copper, then can use the old vdsl dslams for subb deployment??
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The speed is still limited and people will still demand 100mbps to 800mbps upgrade.
Also, that is provided their copper cable is good enough.

In the old times, ADSL requires at least 800 Ohm of cable shield resistance to deliver good experience. Many areas have much lower resistance rating. The blame game then starts, it is not TM who pull the cable, etc etc.

Also as cable age, the sheath degrade and resistance drop.
It is still better to go FTTH from the start. Don't be like Australia's Malcolm Turnbull NBN

Edit: 800 Ohm, not Mega, too used to mega everything

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post Aug 18 2018, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(newbienew @ Aug 18 2018, 01:25 AM)
You have any idea the Fibre cable given by TM. Is on single mode or multi-mode? What will be data rate
We can't take Australia as an example, their country is far more bigger than Europe you know. Every single house, is far away from one another. They are not centralized, like Malaysia.

By injecting Fibre to a population which is less than Malaysia. Can you imagine the ROI
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I believe it is fused silaca inside but don't quote me on it. So for WDM in NG-PON2, maybe some of the wavelength has very high attenuation.

Yea they are far and apart, but I am specifically referring to dense environment like high rise in my reply to you ya biggrin.gif

Actually because Turnbull wanted to save cost, NBN spent billions bought over digital TV HFC cable and found out they are not fit for purpose.
Their VDSL Vectoring deployment doesn't looks good too due to crosstalk.

My point is, on paper everything is good. In the field, macam-macam ada. Those who ended up in non FTTH area became the victim
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post Aug 18 2018, 02:38 AM

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For NG-PON2, it uses configurable wavelength and hence not compatible with GPON which has a fixed wavelength.

They will then be able to co-exist GPON and NG-PON2 on the same splitter by having NG-PON2 use a different wavelength.
Subscriber on GPON will not be affected and continue with current plan.
As subscriber change their ONU, they will use NG-PON2 wavelength and modulation, and a upgrade of plan.

This way there is minimal downtime, swapping OLT and maybe splitter as a start.
Definitely cannot have every ONU changed at once.

Same story for 10G-PON (XG-PON) but I am not sure if they will skip this one as the capacity increase is small. Say 10 years later there are 10Gbps plan, who knows.

However they really need to know what fiber optic material they have deployed and avoid wavelength with high attenuation.

Gobind is also forcing TM to be a full time wholesaler, so the last mile need to handle traffic for RSP down the road too. Even the need to deal with MPLS-TE of other RSP as well.

The lowest cost option, configure a very low assured bandwidth in the GPON Line Profile for everyone. With this, the bottleneck will happen at GPON, BNG, Metro-E switch uplink, MyIX, etc, etc. I am not even sure the equipment used by TM support this type of config

Right now GPON definitely is not the bottleneck as everybody get their assured bandwidth.

Don't forget congestion in BNG and Metro-E switch is different because they are packet switched. PON is circuit switched, so all the ONU on the OLT port has to shut up and wait for the whole stretch of fiber to clear aka wait for their provisioned time slot

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post Aug 23 2018, 10:45 AM

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Hi all,
Did anyone track their data usage?
I am just curious how much data everyone here uses.
Based on the annual average, I uses around 8GB per day
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post Aug 23 2018, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(nuel92 @ Aug 23 2018, 10:48 AM)
Wow what did you until u have to use 8gb a day?
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I host a home server, cloud backup, Docker container
Most of it from last year as seen from the graph.
After project closed down not so much already.
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post Aug 23 2018, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(EroS @ Aug 23 2018, 09:38 AM)
Strangely IP 219.xx.xx can't login to Unifi website.  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ycs @ Aug 23 2018, 09:52 AM)
yes, me too; also can't get rid of 219 IP range after reboot modem many times

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Just curious, have you try a lower MTU setting like 1480 and see if it works?
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post Aug 23 2018, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Aug 23 2018, 11:51 AM)
tried, still timed out
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How about 1450, or even 1400?
I assume you use the same device right? Only different is Unifi vs mobile network
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post Aug 23 2018, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(Doraku @ Aug 23 2018, 01:37 PM)
What program do you use to check Data usage? hmm.gif
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It is the graph feature in Mikrotik RouterOS
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post Aug 24 2018, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(5p3ak @ Aug 23 2018, 05:39 PM)
Which software/app to check this?
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Mikrotik RouterOS graphing


QUOTE(fruitie @ Aug 23 2018, 11:19 PM)
I checked my bill, unfortunately it's still RM 189 for 100Mbps. Yes, I also have Ultimate and Ruby. doh.gif
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Mind telling me is it RM189 for Internet + IPTV?
Mine RM189 just for Internet. IPTV cost another RM30 extra
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post Aug 24 2018, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(fruitie @ Aug 24 2018, 12:31 AM)
It's actually RM 99 for Internet and UniFi TV is RM 90. Hence total RM 189, with free 600 minutes calls too.
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Thanks. That is way cheaper since you got the ultimate pack.
Mine is Jumbo Lite with less and less channel as time goes by.
I got the 600 minutes call too but I don't even plug in my phone coz always got stranger ring it. Plus, I got unlimited call on my mobile
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post Aug 25 2018, 05:33 AM

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QUOTE(happymonk @ Aug 24 2018, 06:55 PM)
Archer C7 v4, 5Ghz set to AC only and 40mhz. Driver is latest on T4U. When I tested on LAN and 2.4Ghz, I could get 50mbps. Just when switched to 5Ghz, I could only get 5mbps
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Does it work if you manually set your 5GHz channel to either one of 36, 40, 44, 48. Channel width 20MHz?
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post Sep 8 2018, 10:46 PM

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For people with wifi unable to detect some channel or getting weak transmit power, maybe 802.11d is your problem:
http://www.mikealbano.com/2014/03/80211d-why-you-care.html

Refer to different regulatory domain (channel, bonding, TX power) here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels

If you are using Windows, there might be a 802.11d setting in your adapter properties, else you are out of luck.

If your wifi device has the regulatory hard-coded inside the firmware, you are out of luck too.

Not saying this is surely your problem, but worth checking
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post Sep 12 2018, 02:44 AM

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Just a rant about Live Chat. Used it for the first time.
Realized LYN is so much slower on TM Unifi compared to Maxis.
TM IPv4: TM > MyIX > LYN
TM IPv6: TM > PCCW HK > LYN

Maxis IPv4 & IPv6: Maxis > MyIX > LYN

Start Live Chat.
Told me TM didn't support IPv6, then later became IPv6 is for government and enterprise only. Then became is it my Internet cannot use.

TL;DR: Finally get to filed a report
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post Sep 12 2018, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Sep 11 2018, 10:29 PM)
Ya ke?  hmm.gif I thought TM will not use default username and password for their OLT....

I just wanna log into I-240G-T to enable extra LAN ports.........and thus I search around for documentation......before I found that document.

Because this http://hotspotsystem.com.my/index.php?rout...log&blog_id=129 kinda pointless where I don't know the ONU password.....I suspect the ONU password might be NewSiebelAddressId, AddressId, TMServiceInstanceId, TMReservationId or even Id from your rhombuscake site. Thus I never really try.......too many possibilities.  hmm.gif
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What he is basically doing is reset the ONU and reconfigure the SLID (people here refer as the GPON password or other term). Unless you have the SLID, please don't reset or you end up with a dead ONU.
Try here if you just want to fiddle with the ONU: https://pierrekim.github.io/blog/2016-11-01...insecurity.html

QUOTE(miloaisdino @ Sep 12 2018, 03:56 PM)
One of Aztech key feature supposed to be iptv over standard lan. Needs static routes to setup, but should be able to get the info from the olt manual someone sent earlier.
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You need static route, IGMP Proxy (different subnet) and IGMP Snooping (to prevent blatant broadcasting). I tried it the experience is not good. First problem is if you have WiFi, the IPTV traffic start broadcasting and use up a lot of airtime. With IGMP Snooping, very CPU intensive. Better stick with current TM setup or get a switch that lets you tag / untag VLAN at will.

QUOTE(miloaisdino @ Sep 12 2018, 04:24 PM)
Ok. I checked the manual and it seems that you can pull the config files from the voip vlan400 to find the onu password using ftp. Then u have to try configure the onu yrself. If not the more straight forward solution is to get the tech to execute these on the olt:

#### Move hypptv to onu port 4 and bypass router ####
configure qos interface  1/1/5/1/10/1/4  upstream-queue  5  priority 6  weight  0  bandwidth-profile  name:8M_UP_IPTV  bandwidth-sharing uni-sharing
configure qos interface  1/1/5/1/10/1/4  queue  5  priority  6  weight 0  shaper-profile  name:8M_DOWN_IPTV
configure bridge port  1/1/5/1/10/1/4  vlan-id  600  tag  untagged network-vlan  600  vlan-scope  local
configure bridge port  1/1/5/1/10/1/4  pvid  600  default-priority  5 configure igmp channel  vlan:1/1/5/1/10/1/4:600  max-num-group  64 max-msg-rate  16
configure igmp channel  vlan:1/1/5/1/10/1/4:600  no previewpackages  [1...1024] configure interface port  uni:1/1/5/1/10/1/4  admin-up

#### enable other port for HSI (tagged svc) ####
configure qos interface  1/1/5/1/10/1/2  upstream-queue  0  weight  0 bandwidth-profile  name:20M_UP  bandwidth-sharing  uni-sharing
configure qos interface  1/1/5/1/10/1/2  queue  0  priority  1  weight 0  shaper-profile  name:20M_DOWN
configure bridge port  1/1/5/1/10/1/2  vlan-id  500  tag  singletagged  network-vlan  500  vlan-scope  local
configure interface port  uni:1/1/5/1/10/1/2  admin-up
(Replace bold for diff port number)

#### Disable vlan tag to support non vlan capable router (HSI)####
configure qos interface  1/1/5/1/10/1/2  upstream-queue  0  weight  0 bandwidth-profile  name:20M_UP  bandwidth-sharing  uni-sharing
configure qos interface  1/1/5/1/10/1/2  queue  0  priority  1  weight 0  shaper-profile  name:20M_DOWN
configure bridge port  1/1/5/1/10/1/2  vlan-id  500  tag  untagged  network-vlan  500  vlan-scope  local
configure bridge port  1/1/5/1/10/1/2  pvid  500  default-priority  0
configure interface port  uni:1/1/5/1/10/1/2  admin-up
(Replace bold for diff port number)
As u can see, the speed configured here is 20Mbps. Can change to any speed desired. (Still subject to pppoe speed restriction, but can borrow someones turbo id smile.gif )
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For OLT only. If I think what I think the document is, the RADIUS is for staff OLT login only, and the password is for console login only.

Cheers
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post Sep 12 2018, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(miloaisdino @ Sep 12 2018, 05:30 PM)
Just wondering. SLID and pw are diff names for the same thing or are they different?
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It is the same thing

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