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 StashAway MY, New instrument for Malaysian?

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Ramjade
post Aug 9 2018, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 9 2018, 09:33 PM)
StashAway is coming to Malaysia soon.

Via - stashaway.my

Robo-advisor for injecting to ETF.
Previous Stashaway (SA) started on Singapore (SG).

Any ideas or any experience on similar instrument?
Compared to peers Autowealth and Smartly.

Review on Seedly is 4.5 stars.

Details aren't clear on their official web yet.
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ehwee, ganaesan

Don't worry. I can tell you that Malaysians will never get the good stuff as the SG counter parts.
Reason: our laws kind of make us kind of anti ETFs. whistling.gif

Smartly last time already mentioned that local laws forbid something to do with ETF. Not to mention Malaysia is still anti forex so biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
Ramjade
post Aug 10 2018, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 9 2018, 10:06 PM)
the ETF they trying to enter is our own local counters or foreign?
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If they can give Malaysians foreign ETF is worth signing up.

QUOTE(ganaesan @ Aug 9 2018, 10:56 PM)
Yea. The more you invest the cheaper the charges... I saw a table which reads investment amount less than $25k the charges is 0.8%. Thts Singapore rate

Maybe the same for Malaysian market..

Can FSM compete?
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Won't. Malaysian will be charged higher due to the nature of our RM.

CAN FSM compete? Unlikely.

QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 10 2018, 07:18 AM)
yea... hope this give a good healthy competitions for the field. till now no clear news about it also. just say they going to launch here.

people already started to fed up with fsm managed port. they perf badly compared to the benchmark.

it's bad market but why they choose to switch so frequently that almost deviate the objective of UT?

if a 1 time fee for SA really max cap at .8% I would say fsm shall wake up.
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Not one time bro. Recurring yearly fees like FSM managed portfolio.

If really they giving Malaysians access to overseas ETF, then local fund manager need to work harder already.
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post Aug 10 2018, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 10 2018, 09:51 AM)
LOL. I know rite....

But you see how I kena in that thread. Say I am not calm enough... No long time to let fsm team to prove them la... I macam don't like fsm as before already.
Because what I see is numbers, benchmark. yes, of they don't promised we will earn in any condition, but  what they picked is so bad. they never do peers comparison? Same country but the peer fund perf better.... this is fact. And the stars rating, they glorified asia pac, cn etc but say being neutral on US EU. So fast u turn. heavy on US and EU....
the managed port performed badly to the benchmark, and yet they say no time to prove in this volatile period. than what's the benchmark for? decoration? I actually never expect them to surpass the benchmark by miles in this volatile period, but at least la hold the principal of what the fsm team usually preach for.
As we discuss today. the mod aggressive port already leave united global and go into franklin and ta euro.... its not even 4 months in holding 1 fund.

where is the principle? in the article they keep say don't deviate from the objective, which is 3-5 years bla bla bla… look at what they do!

And what the best part is when we email the so called client investment specialist and asking what is the current wave and what to do to avoid massive loss. The ykeep mentioning hold hold hold because fundamental is good. And then ask them why the managed port keep switching like nobody business, and they say this is to react to the market.

WTF?

Just hoe this SA don't follow the footsteps of FSM.
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Bro they are practicing xuzen style of lari here and there. Xuzen don't hold long term. He uses what he think able to perform and dump the region which cannot perform.

FSM knows China can't win the trade war so they are backing US. Tell me if you know the horse is going to lose, will you still back it?
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post Aug 10 2018, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Aug 10 2018, 08:57 AM)
Malaysian ETF's not really comparable to most foreign ETF's?
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Of course. Malaysian ETF sucks.

QUOTE(Cactus89 @ Aug 10 2018, 09:37 AM)
in a long run it is more exp than FSM managed portfolio, due to higher annual fees... In terms of result I would expect it is a failure if it couldn't managed to beat Asx. So far FSM has failed badly.. Losing to Risk free and 0% charge asx by miles..
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I think typo. FSM managed portfolio is more expensive than Stashaway over long term.


QUOTE(ehwee @ Aug 10 2018, 10:45 AM)
I actually agree with you, ha.

I didn't buy into their management fund till now as I didn't convinced enough by their fund management strategy and result as you said

Even the fund managed by layman like ourselves is out perform them currently

Some more with the under performance status we still need to pay their management subscription fee
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I don't buy because I hate paying annual fees.
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post Aug 10 2018, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Aug 10 2018, 11:49 AM)
Actually robo had been in Malaysia quite sometimes already
https://www.salaamgateway.com/en/story/robo...08082017055055/

But you see.. No publicity at all, nobody knows about it.
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Not easy to open account ad there's no register button. Not to mention I am skeptical when it have Islamic investing as well. By limiting one to Islamic investing, one already limited one's choices.

But one can always choose conventional.

QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Aug 10 2018, 12:20 PM)
So to venture to ETF better invest in foreign ones? FSM is all local ones right? Is there a local platform that does foreign ETFs?
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Yes invest in overseas ETF using foreign broker. Do not use local brokerage for overseas investing.
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post Aug 10 2018, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 10 2018, 04:45 PM)
hmm... so far we never know whether SA let his customers invent lopcal etf or the foreign etf
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If follow Malaysia laws, then Malaysian have no access. Unless BNM relax the law.
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post Aug 11 2018, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(Captain1 @ Aug 10 2018, 08:59 PM)
Recently announce STASH and cannot invest into yet, so fast 20+ comments already.
ETF are generally stable portfolio so not much need to pay 0.8% annual fees (if it is annual)
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Of course la. They haven't open shop how to invest. The email is so that you get to be first in line to know.

Go back to the meaning of ETF. ETF is not really stable as the underlying stuff are still stocks. When market is in downgoing mode, ETF is also not spared.
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post Aug 26 2018, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(fairylord @ Aug 26 2018, 05:45 PM)
In SG, read that AW account required min 3k to open. Whereas, SA and Smartly much lower entry requirement.

Thinking to open one at SG and start DCA, any advice from side here?
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Better to open in SG rather than wait until hair turns white. Lol. You don't know when robo will be launched in Malaysia and which robo will launch.

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post Aug 27 2018, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 26 2018, 09:51 PM)
but the edge report SA already processing the licence with SC wor…
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You know what how slow is Malaysia beurocracy works.
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post Oct 22 2018, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(w2kinc88 @ Oct 22 2018, 06:41 PM)
Hmm.. market like this UT n KLCI also down
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You do know is not UT but robo which invest in ETF right? Not Malaysian ETF but US ETF . You do know that right?
Ramjade
post Oct 23 2018, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Oct 23 2018, 01:22 PM)
Whats your take on this? The latest port they still very heavy on EQ.

No one seems stopping. This is worrying.
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Is based on risk that you select. They won't auto run and hide and in bonds.
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post Feb 6 2019, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Feb 4 2019, 11:41 PM)
MY can't invest during MY holiday even though the US market is available open to invest
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Of course la. They are based in SG. SG public holiday, who is going to execute the buy and sell if no one is working. If you want to buy US equities then better open a brokerage in the US that follow US time and holiday.
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post Feb 6 2019, 01:08 PM

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Now I wished they apply for PRS provider and let us park money under them as PRS.
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post Feb 6 2019, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Feb 6 2019, 01:27 PM)
what is the exact differences to park under them as right now and if they are PRS?

curious to know
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Park under them now no tax relief. Yes you can lock up until retirement. But cannot reduce the amount the tax you pay.
Ramjade
post Feb 6 2019, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Feb 6 2019, 02:41 PM)
Oh that would be a good idea man. Actually, i don't mind putting my long term money for PRS under just any S&P 500 etf.
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Precisely.

QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Feb 6 2019, 02:49 PM)
PRS Tax Relief

it seems like the tax relief only until 2021?
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QUOTE(honsiong @ Feb 6 2019, 03:02 PM)
They actually have that in Singapore under SRS scheme. But yea the tax relief only lasts until 2021, sad life.
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Yup until 2021. But you never know if it get extended.
I know about that in SG. Our PRS is actually a copy cat of theirs but on a more limited scale. That's why surprised they dont implement that in Malaysia.

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