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 StashAway MY, New instrument for Malaysian?

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alexkos
post Mar 5 2019, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Mar 5 2019, 09:55 PM)
Cheaper is of course good

But SA has exposure to other instruments as well. Unless you mean you can intro us to cover just about any other ETFs, then good lah.

I did bring up about the 0.8% being a little costly. I suggested that they should have more "value added" services.

And to be fair, I guess the argument here is about passive (BYO) vs active (SA) portfolios.
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ic...if u go DIY, then you have access to all ETFs you want. Just follow me Instarem CapTrader, the world is yours. I can't tahan active manager (or platform) keep eating approx 1% p.a. raining or shining.

Come la, you won't rugi. Just a little bit of work only.

Also, equity thingy is confirm >5 years investment d.
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post Mar 5 2019, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Mar 5 2019, 10:50 PM)
I actually think SA will yield more return bcoz they reinvest dividend as soon as they got them. Closing the loop tight helps us stay in the market as much as we could.
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You hoot 'accumulating' fund, then got the same effect. The fund will automatically reinvest div for u
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post Mar 5 2019, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Mar 5 2019, 10:25 PM)
Yeah i agree with you. I still got foreign shares in HleBroking. Then moved to FSM SG(Bought far few ETFs which listed in HKEX). Looked through some other brokers such as IB and 8 Securities but FSM SG gave me a little peace of mind. Will definitely try CapTrader next time, maybe when FSM Sg charges a platform fee for stocks. but for now i don't really mind paying a little more . Already using Instarem as well to fund FSM SG so i got my work cut out for me when i open CapTradder

StashAway does really make it easy. I know in the long run we could be saving much more on costs, but i feel that it is really convenient. SA is targeted for the mass consumer, invest and forget.

Good job on sharing DIY method though. Took me quite abit of research and asking around to open FSM SG and a bank account there.
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Ok... Actually just one time work only... My next investment is 6 months later. Save cost gooding yo, every cent counts especially when it's long term smile.gif

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post Mar 5 2019, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Mar 5 2019, 11:28 PM)
Guess reasons to stick with SA is:

1) Dividend and withholding tax claim

You might not be aware that, SA managed to claim back full, ALMOST ~30% of the dividend issued on the ETF we invested
(you might need to grind back this post discussion)

- The DIY way you recommended if I'm not wrong, only can claim back 15% right?

2) DCA friendly 1

We are doing DCA monthly, weekly. Majority here are doing investing with small cap

- I did read on the DIY post of yours, which recomended RM18k Ringgit to 4k Euro as minimum for wire transfer via Instarem to CapTrader German.

I dont have that much frankly  bye.gif

3) DCA friendly 2

SA is much more DCA friendly I guess, in contrast to your DIY method with hassle process of weekly transfer (and as discussed in 2nd point, we cant't transfer transfer amount like few hundred ain't we?)

Correct me if I'm wrong, the DIY method is more Lump Sum Strategy friendly.

4) Diversify

SA already recommended the combination based on our risk index, we cannot invest in just S&P500, and we don't need to actively manage the portfolio combination.

So indirectly it diversifies the risk as well based on our risk index, we might argue that hoot only on S&P500 could get higher return, instead of SA combination, but it does come with the benefit of lower risk i guess?

Finally, for me, I really don't have the time to actively manage the portfolio, as well managing the hassle of weekly DIY and wire transferring,again the DCA friendliness issue.
Correct me if any info above is wrong, my personal two cents.
Might consider your way if it is arguably much more DCA friendlier than Stashaway, since who don't prefer lower fee   icon_idea.gif
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Your point 1 super solid gooding. I go fact check. Haha. How come SA get Malaysian money can get 30% full? Tipu?

If really betul, then 15% diff is around 0.3% yield Beza....hmm....

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post Mar 5 2019, 11:42 PM

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Then, if let's say ur nest egg got rm18k above, will u exit SA and go DIY?
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post Mar 5 2019, 11:49 PM

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Agree on SA advantage of being DCA friendly.... Ok ba... I release u ppl...

Haha.... Actually same boat la, just go passive indexing surewin.
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post Mar 6 2019, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 6 2019, 08:04 AM)
Initial 18k only or each trx also need 18k?
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Initial and each
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post Mar 6 2019, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 6 2019, 11:21 AM)
Wow.

It's a big NO.

For small player FX also very important.

Entry at 4.2 and 4.08 make a really huge difference.

18k each is like lump sump but not DCA.

Unless you are at k/ income level. That's should be OK.

Monthly DCA 18k. LOL.if quarterly 18k also gg for most Malaysian.
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Ic... Yes if insist on dca then captrader gg. Only gooding for initial I guess.


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post Mar 6 2019, 11:34 AM

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Or u can dca SA first, then once 18k ready then DIY mode. Think longer time fame... Each year eat u 0.07% annual charge only, where to find?
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post Mar 6 2019, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 6 2019, 11:40 AM)
Good idea too. But since SA is only 10% of my total port. I personally don't really bother much haha.
Hmm. But your .07 can't claim back 30% correct?
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Only 15% coz Ireland domiciled. So I rugi 0.3% div yield p.a.
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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Mar 6 2019, 11:43 AM)
Instead of encouraging SA users to switch, why not just see them as different products? Which I think they are. They overlap yeah, but I think they are kind of for different users, although also targeting the "mass affluent" group.

Millionaire spotted!
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Agree. SA still provide value by allowing DCA. Gooding. But long term wise, I cNt justify every year eat 0.8% rain or shine.
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post Mar 6 2019, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 6 2019, 11:57 AM)
SA better because lower entry and scan friendly.

30% claim back.

And AAXJ GLD CWB REITS which I think is a good diversification.

Sp500 alone..... Hmmm..... Not so good.
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https://www.stashaway.my/faq/115001834213-d...dends-get-taxed

Based on my comprehension, SA can't claim 30% if u direct hoot SPY or US domiciled SP500
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QUOTE(honsiong @ Mar 6 2019, 12:14 PM)
WTF are you talking about? Many pages ago I did post about stashaway's broker saxo actually claiming all 30% back on treasuries, except CWB, albeit with a delay.

BTW I have the Bogleheads book and I read it, we've been agreeing that StashAway offers better diversity at lower min buy in, and quick auto div reinvestment for most of us ikan bilis in Malaysia. What's with the constant attacks in this thread trying to get us put a substantial amount in something we do not have easy access to, or when shit hits the fan, we don't have home ground advantage to get legal help? What vested interest do you have in us hooting ur SPY directly, why not buy VTSAX/VTWAX?
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ok sry boss i kena marah. So SA can claim back 30%. Case close. Bye.
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post Mar 6 2019, 07:34 PM

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I got at least two ppl pm me to double confirm SA 30% can fully claim or not. Pls update them by posting here. Tq.
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post Mar 7 2019, 02:02 PM

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Here is what I understand about the amount of tax refund from your screenshot. So, kindly correct my misunderstanding, if there is any.
Dividend Withholding Tax = 30% of the Dividend

Refund Amount from Dividend Withholding Tax = 46% of Dividend Withholding Tax
Refund Amount from Dividend Withholding Tax = 46% x 30% of the dividend = 13.8% of the dividend

Thus,

Unrefunded Amount from Dividend Withholding Tax
= (100% - 46%) from Dividend Withholding Tax x 30% of the dividend = 54% x 30% of the dividend
= 16.2% of the dividend

In other words, StashAway and their broker Saxo are unable to assist in claiming back the remaining Dividend Withholding Tax (= 16.2% of the dividend), from the US tax authorities, since we Malaysians are not US tax resident.

So, we have to accept that 16.2% of the dividend is lost, and we have to reduce our dividend yield of our investment in StashAway accordingly.
Thank you for your clarification. thumbup.gif

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so just now claim SA can 30% full claim, now 16.2% is lost?

which is true? Please update coz i need to update my side also. Don't want to mislead ppl
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post Mar 7 2019, 02:15 PM

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Ok, once got answer, I'll update on my side also. Now i put it on pending first.
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post Mar 7 2019, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 7 2019, 03:55 PM)
Keen to see your reply soon!
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I no SA customer. So need wait comrades here help confirm.
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post Mar 7 2019, 04:56 PM

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dunno also... SA thread should exist to serve both actual and potential customers, and I'm the latter.

Just now say 30% confirm can claim, now 16%, please give the exact answer and not misleading people leh.
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post Mar 7 2019, 05:19 PM

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i dunno...here's the logic

1) alex come here ask SA why gooding?
2) ppl here explain
3) they say got 30% tax claim back
4) alex eye big, fuiyoh, macam yes, fact check xia
5) then alex say macam no, kena marah (moderator duno go whr)
6) then previously say 30% got, now 16%, and now ask alex go ask SA agent straight
7) i also pening d
8) ok im leaving really, for now. I'll come back SA if got gooding stuff.
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post Mar 7 2019, 06:22 PM

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If asking for clarification of the previously claimed 30% confirm can claim back withholding tax is considered a troll, I'm amazed with the level of groupthink here.

And to further insult inquirers who pm me (mod can check my pm box), I have nothing more to add.

Hence, for a conclusion, SA is only advantageous in the sense of allowing DCA, and no more. SA eats 0.8% platform fee raining or shining.

All the best. Don't fight with money. Cost will kill you in the long run.

Bye.

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