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post May 15 2019, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ May 15 2019, 02:55 PM)
because if it's random, you don't have any control over it. Although, there are individuals that let their mind run around with little control over it.

you can choose to do certain things, for instance, writing in this forum. That itself, is not a random act. There is a will exerted over the action. A forerunner, a preeminent that triggers everything else to happen.

you can look at the brain as the hardware. There is a software behind it. A lot of words for that, soul, mind, spirit, consciousness, self, etc.
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But software cannot exist without hardware right? IOW software is just a manifestation of hardware, not some separate entity, just like rules how the brain operates. For example as an analogy, rule number 1, desire to act is formed when brain cells impulses reach 10.
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post May 15 2019, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ May 15 2019, 02:25 PM)
So you believe there is only natural physical law?

No natural law for the mind?
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I really wonder what is considered natural law for the mind ?

Found this from Google :-

https://lifestyle.allwomenstalk.com/natural...m-to-your-life/

That seems to cater for doing positive reinforcement to ones mental well-being and possibly also improve physical health.

I don't see this is as a contradiction to natural physical law. I think to certain extent the mind could be trained to release good hormones that can improve our well being.

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post May 15 2019, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ May 15 2019, 02:02 PM)
Cannot exist means don't exist lah! Hello!???! As suspected, all your arguments are because your comprehension is weak and you won't acknowledge that by reading then understanding it.
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if dont exist then where the hell u get "god have envy n lust" ??
only u people belief in "u can proved thing that dont exist" ...
try to tell this to your friend.... hey, bro, i can proved thing that dont exist even they dont exist ..
see got anybody belief u or not ...
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post May 15 2019, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 15 2019, 02:05 PM)
will4848 is another crackpot, claims to be a Buddhist but lie thru his teeth.
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so i say u cannot prove thing that dont exist is a lie ??
sometime also dont know what kind of brain u have ? puke.gif
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post May 15 2019, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 15 2019, 01:57 PM)
Why are you tap dancing again? You can or cannot imagine a being with superpowers because this answer is central to your argument?
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actually no need to waste time, once u can accept "u can proved thing that dont exist" .....
obviously we are not the same, those imagine or cannot imagine not important anymore ...
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post May 15 2019, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ May 15 2019, 08:14 PM)
so i say u cannot prove thing that dont exist is a lie ??
sometime also dont know what kind of brain u have ?  puke.gif
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Yes, we are telling you we CAN prove something SPECIFIC cannot exist.

Cannot prove a negative is a myth.

We prove negative everyday.

Is there a chicken in your car ? Just search your car then. Your car has no chicken, then the chicken does not exist in your car.

A generic arbitrary God cannot be proven not to exist. But a specific God - the almighty, all knowing and all moral God - CAN be proven not to exist.
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post May 15 2019, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ May 15 2019, 08:09 PM)
if dont exist then where the hell u get "god have envy n lust" ??
only u people belief in "u can proved thing that dont exist" ...
try to tell this to your friend.... hey, bro, i can proved thing that dont exist even they dont exist ..
see got anybody belief u or not ...
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Stop being stupid and read till you understand this for a change:
Step 1: Abrahamic religions believers claim that their God is all knowing and morally upright.
Step 2: That atheist says, IF God is all knowing then logically He would have known lust and envy.
Step 3: IF He knows those, then He cannot be morally upright.
Step 4: Therefore logically He cannot be all-knowing and morally upright.
Step 5: Therefore logically that God as claimed by Abrahamic religions believers to be all knowing and morally upright cannot (or in another word, doesn't) exist.

Nobody is saying God doesn't exist because God have envy and lust, it simply doesn't make sense, even someone as stupid as you are know it doesn't make sense. I have to repeat for the 101th time, that claim is about that specific God, not all God(s). In another way, it means a God cannot be all knowing and morally upright at the same time, if He indeed exist. Get it?
Now, if you still insist, tell me, where is (are) the flaws in the above logical deduction?


And also, it's not impossible to prove things don't exist, example if I say I don't have RM50 in my wallet, I can open my wallet to show you. But it's a wholly different matter when it comes to thing that's not defined or even sighted in the first place like God.

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post May 16 2019, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ May 15 2019, 08:30 PM)
actually no need to waste time, once u can accept "u can proved thing that dont exist" .....
obviously we are not the same, those imagine or cannot imagine not important anymore ...
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But it is important. Can you imagine a being with superpowers?
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post Yesterday, 09:25 AM

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This is said by the the video maker :-

It’s often said by skeptics and scientists that ‘You can’t prove a negative’ or that ‘It’s impossible to prove that god doesn’t exist’. Hell, I even used to say this, but it’s simply not true… you can prove a negative, and you can prove that god doesn’t exist (depending on the definition of god)... This, is You Can’t Prove That God Doesn’t Exist – Debunked.




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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 20 2019, 09:25 AM)
This is said by the the video maker :-

It’s often said by skeptics and scientists that ‘You can’t prove a negative’ or that ‘It’s impossible to prove that god doesn’t exist’. Hell, I even used to say this, but it’s simply not true… you can prove a negative, and you can prove that god doesn’t exist (depending on the definition of god)... This, is You Can’t Prove That God Doesn’t Exist – Debunked.


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The definition of God provides you with claims about the world which overlap with (scientific) facts, which you then use to prove that these claims are fallacious thus this God (definition) does not exist.

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