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puchongite
post May 15 2019, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ May 15 2019, 11:53 AM)
who dare to dont allowed u to say ?? u can say what u want .....
already said the "if God is energy then ...." is not my statement, is the other guy statement ...
i think u also got language problem ...
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Why does it matter if it is your statement or other guys statement ?

When it is other guys statement you can imagine and make hypothetical argument ? When it is your own statement you can't make hypothetical argument ?

When the philosopher said "If God is ... then", everybody knows it is not his statement except you.
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post May 15 2019, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ May 15 2019, 10:23 AM)
What is still flawed? How is it flawed? It's a logical deduction. You don't understand logical deduction is it? From my explanation, tell me how is it flawed?
Also, it doesn't say God shouldn't exist. Pls read again, it says that a God who is all knowing and morally upright cannot exist, not God doesn't exist, I repeat for the 100th time.
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exist mean exist, dont exist mean dont exist .... what is cannot exist ?
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post May 15 2019, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 15 2019, 11:58 AM)
Why does it matter if it is your statement or other guys statement ?

When it is other guys statement you can imagine and make hypothetical argument ? When it is your own statement you can't make hypothetical argument ?

When the philosopher said "If God is ... then", everybody knows it is not his statement except you.
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that is the problem ..... if god exist bla bla bla ... n if god is energy bla bla ... ....both also wrong ...

the different is the philosopher use the wrong method, again i repeat ... WRONG METHOD..
pls think again, can someone proof something that is dont exist ?? already not exist some more wanna proved ah doh.gif doh.gif
deswai i say he is just doing a magic show ....nothing->something->nothing ....understand ?

the 2nd one, that guy claimed god is energy, so i ask him do u need to pray to energy ??
im asking him base on his statement ...

can u see the different or not ? doh.gif
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post May 15 2019, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ May 15 2019, 11:50 AM)
pls read again .....
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When did I argue imagination has to be real?
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post May 15 2019, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ May 15 2019, 12:12 PM)
that is the problem ..... if god exist bla bla bla ... n if god is energy bla bla ...  ....both also wrong ...

the different is the philosopher use the wrong method, again i repeat ... WRONG METHOD..
pls think again, can someone proof something that is dont exist ?? already not exist some more wanna proved ah  doh.gif  doh.gif
deswai i say he is just doing a magic show ....nothing->something->nothing ....understand ?

the 2nd one, that guy claimed god is energy, so i ask him do u need to pray to energy ??
im asking him base on his statement ...

can u see the different or not ?  doh.gif
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No, there is no difference.

I have already said. You imposed yourself weird and unnecessary rules and that constraint your argument.

There is one discipline of maths/philosophy called logic. By using logic, we can prove God ( with a particular sets of attributes ) cannot exist. That's the tool, a formal recognized tool called "argument from contradiction" or "proof of contradiction".

You can't do it, but we can do it. Because you willingly keeping yourself within the constraint. You refused to accept the outcome of logic.

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post May 15 2019, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 15 2019, 12:15 PM)
When did I argue imagination has to be real?
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 14 2019, 10:21 PM)

Are you saying that if you imagine something it must be real?
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post May 15 2019, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 15 2019, 12:18 PM)
No, there is no difference.

I have already said. You imposed yourself weird and unnecessary rules and that constraint your argument.

There is one discipline of maths/philosophy called logic. By using logic, we can prove God ( with a particular sets of attributes ) cannot exist. That's the tool, a formal recognized tools called "argument from contradiction" or "proof of contradiction".

You can't do it, but we can do it. Because you willingly keeping yourself within the constraint. You refused to accept the outcome of logic.
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i like this word brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif ...proved it then, what are u waiting ....
i think u already confused ... just to remind u, u are an atheist whistling.gif
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post May 15 2019, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ May 15 2019, 12:21 PM)
i like this word  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif  ...proved it then, what are u waiting ....
i think u already confused ... just to remind u, u are an atheist  whistling.gif
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Showing your willingness to be handicapped again. When we make logical argument, whether we are atheist or non-atheists, it is irrelevant. And we have already proved, by contradiction.

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post May 15 2019, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ May 15 2019, 12:18 PM)
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 14 2019, 10:21 PM)
Are you saying that if you imagine something it must be real?
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That is a question. So are you?

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post May 15 2019, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 15 2019, 12:23 PM)
Showing your willingness to be handicapped again. When we make logical argument, whether we are atheist or non-atheists, it is irrelevant. And we have already proved, by contradiction.
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but the philosopher is proving god, how u can 'proved by contradiction' ? tongue.gif
so what is the opposite of god ? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post May 15 2019, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 15 2019, 12:26 PM)
That is a question. So are you?
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this is the answer

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avenger is movee, not real.....even i imagine is also not real.... so nothing to talk about

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post May 15 2019, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ May 15 2019, 12:52 PM)
but the philosopher is proving god, how u can 'proved by contradiction' ?  tongue.gif
so what is the opposite of god ?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Did I say anything about 'opposite of God' ? Shamelessly demonstrating your poor English ?

Proof by contradiction :-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contradiction


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QUOTE(will4848 @ May 15 2019, 12:54 PM)
this is the answer
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So I take it as even if you imagine it's not real, just like the avenger movie. Can you imagine a being with superpower then, even if it's not real?
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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 15 2019, 12:55 PM)
Did I say anything about 'opposite of God' ? Shamelessly demonstrating your poor English ?

Proof by contradiction :-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contradiction
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ok, just proof it then bruce.gif bruce.gif
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post May 15 2019, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 15 2019, 12:57 PM)
So I take it as even if you imagine it's not real, just like the avenger movie. Can you imagine a being with superpower then, even if it's not real?
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i dont understand what u want but why i must imagine thing that u tell me ?? nod.gif
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QUOTE(will4848 @ May 15 2019, 12:57 PM)
ok, just proof it then  bruce.gif  bruce.gif
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Already proved. Conclusion contradicts with proposition, an hence reductio ad impossibile.
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post May 15 2019, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 15 2019, 01:00 PM)
Already proved. Conclusion contradicts with proposition, an hence reductio ad impossibile.
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so your conclusion is god exist or no exist ?
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post May 15 2019, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ May 15 2019, 01:03 PM)
so your conclusion is god exist or no exist ?
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The God of specific attributes ( such as almighty, all knowing and perfectly moral ) cannot exist, it is reductio ad impossibile.

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post May 15 2019, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 15 2019, 01:07 PM)
The God of specific attributes ( such as almighty, all knowing and perfectly moral ) cannot exist, it is reductio ad impossibile.
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so dont exist then dont exist la..... nod.gif nod.gif nod.gif
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hey peeps, what is the conclusion?

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