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post Jul 23 2018, 09:35 AM, updated 2y ago

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Upcoming Proton SUV Pricing Prediction



The upcoming Proton SUV is due latter in 2018 and is highly anticipated. However, pricing will play a big role into the success of the SUV.

In China, the Geely Boyue sells for around 99,000 yuan to about 160,000 yuan. Based on current exchange rate (5 July 2018), that’s about 60,000 ringgit to about 98,000 ringgit. However, the cheaper models are equipped with a 2.0 litre natural aspirated engine. The cheapest model with a 1.8 litre turbocharged engine is at about 109,000 yuan or about 67,000 ringgit.

I expect that the development including the left hand drive to right hand drive conversion would add to the cost, roughly 5,000 ringgit and I’m assuming that the upcoming Proton SUV is to be only available with a 1.8 litre turbo charged engine.

Now, considering Proton’s current range of vehicles and that the upcoming Proton SUV being a C-segment SUV. It should be priced in between Proton’s current C-segment offerings: the Preve, Suprima S and Exora and Proton’s D-segment offering, the Perdana. Proton’s most expensive C-segment offering currently is the Suprima S 1.6 litre Premium variant at about 76,000 ringgit while the most affordable Perdana is the 2.0 litre variant at around 104,000 ringgit.

Making a guess, I would say that the upcoming Proton SUV will be priced in between 79,000 ringgit and 99,000 ringgit.

If my predication are true and if the upcoming Proton SUV lives up to the hype, than the upcoming Proton SUV will be a “killer deal”. Currently, the cheapest C-segment SUV in Malaysia is the Haval H2 at 100,000 ringgit and is definitely less advance than the upcoming Proton SUV.

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•Featured image – https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gee..._2016-04-07.jpg
•Geely Boyue prices in China – https://suv.geely.com/2018boyue/




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Based upon article above anyone can give any opinion of it ?? I hope it is true .. biggrin.gif
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if not mistaken,

previously i've read on pauly website

it will be around 90k-110k (due to CBU) CKD might reach 100K for top-spec model

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RM79k in your dream...maybe without wheels kot..
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QUOTE(magasel @ Jul 23 2018, 09:43 AM)
nice price.

but after demonstration in youtube of a Geely SUV make a stunt move by reverse hard then turn but the whole car turn turtle...

I scared to buy this car.
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post Jul 23 2018, 10:23 AM

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WTF, Haval H2 is RM100K?
That is damn overpriced for a Haval.
Saw one the other day. Pretty nice. But 100K? No thanks.
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QUOTE(ron c @ Jul 23 2018, 10:23 AM)
WTF, Haval H2 is RM100K?
That is damn overpriced for a Haval.
Saw one the other day. Pretty nice. But 100K? No thanks.
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but rm100K, got few bell n whistle compared to Xtrail or base CRV/Cx-5
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Jul 23 2018, 10:27 AM)
but rm100K, got few bell n whistle compared to Xtrail or base CRV/Cx-5
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Not sure about specs as I did not do a thorough research but RM100K for a Haval is just overpriced I feel, considering that it is just penetrating the market and competing with the more established brands.
I think the price is around RM89K now.
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Is this car more similar to HRV or CRV?
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QUOTE(magasel @ Jul 23 2018, 09:43 AM)
nice price.

but after demonstration in youtube of a Geely SUV make a stunt move by reverse hard then turn but the whole car turn turtle...

I scared to buy this car.
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Where's the youtube video?

You confused with Great wall old model? There was Sabah exco iianm who was in the car when it turtled, that was NOT a Geely for certain.
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jul 23 2018, 10:41 AM)
Is this car more similar to HRV or CRV?
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Its size is more towards CRV, CX-5.
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plain design, more tempted with 2019 kia forte. hnggghhhhh

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QUOTE(destee88 @ Jul 23 2018, 09:35 AM)
If my predication are true and if the upcoming Proton SUV lives up to the hype, than the upcoming Proton SUV will be a “killer deal”. Currently, the cheapest C-segment SUV in Malaysia is the Haval H2 at 100,000 ringgit and is definitely less advance than the upcoming Proton SUV.

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QUOTE(magasel @ Jul 23 2018, 11:01 AM)
my mistake it was a great wall car, still - make me scared to drive tongsan SUV
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Well, I've always considered Geely to be different than any other tongsan car.

They own Volvo, and they took in a lot of their staffs to help design, engineer and manufacture their cars. Unlike other tongsan brand that are state-owned and JV with foreigners, those just simply copy paste without such deep engineering work done the way Geely did by adopting Volvo's tech.

I have a lot of faith in Geely, I trust they're properly quality car.
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Going to be price around 100k from insider source. Their main target is Honda/Toyota, not Perodua.

Geely/Volvo is not stingy with the feature based on the price u paid, u look at Volvo then u understand.

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The most I will part my money for anything tongsan is RM2,000
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anyone got internal source about pricing and variant they will offer ???
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boring design ...if they can design something like evoque then definitely would be best seller
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RM79K is the most basic model without RT & Insurance.


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QUOTE(nantokodoki @ Jul 23 2018, 09:40 AM)
For proton anything more than  RM75k sure tak laku one.
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the old perdana was 90k otr

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Jul 23 2018, 09:38 AM)
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RM79k in your dream...maybe without wheels kot..
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79k without wheels is pretty good value

can buy 2nd hand wheels from tyre shop for less than 10k

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QUOTE(nantokodoki @ Jul 23 2018, 04:44 PM)
Thats why tak laku. People wont fork out more than 75k for proton brand.
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err no.
Until now we can see the old Perdana on the road
heck even my dad bought the v6
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QUOTE(munky @ Jul 23 2018, 04:44 PM)
79k without wheels is pretty good value

can buy 2nd hand wheels from tyre shop for less than 10k
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 23 2018, 04:42 PM)
the old perdana was 90k otr
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thats why perdana u cant see on the road, tak laku

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Trust me. The price is between Rm50k to Rm150k.

If wrong, i run nekkid at Proton Showroom.
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Jul 23 2018, 01:07 PM)
Well, I've always considered Geely to be different than any other tongsan car.

They own Volvo, and they took in a lot of their staffs to help design, engineer and manufacture their cars. Unlike other tongsan brand that are state-owned and JV with foreigners, those just simply copy paste without such deep engineering work done the way Geely did by adopting Volvo's tech.

I have a lot of faith in Geely, I trust they're properly quality car.
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lol, top 10 carmakers in prc actually better than protong... by the numbers alone they have the economic of scale and $$$ for improvement

maxus also a good brand but problem is design only part of the equation... if you dont sell well enough and dont command a high premium you cant survive... just like koreans in this region
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How long does it take from order to on the road ?
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apa lanjiaoo 79k?

i tot thy already mentioned no less thn 90k?

According to second Ex-minister of international trade and industry Datuk Seri Ong Ka Chuan, the Boyue-based Proton SUV is estimated to arrive in Malaysia within two years, and with a price tag of under RM100,000. (Pauline)

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QUOTE(nantokodoki @ Jul 23 2018, 04:48 PM)
Tak laku la. Still remember last time they have stock 2 years unable to clear. What you see on the road now are those from government own one. If not government buy last time sure lagi teruk the sale.
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I personally view the perdana and the v6 are even better in sales term if compare
to the new perdana and suprima combined

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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Jul 23 2018, 04:52 PM)
apa lanjiaoo 79k?

i tot thy already mentioned no less thn 90k?

According to second minister of international trade and industry Datuk Seri Ong Ka Chuan, the Boyue-based Proton SUV is estimated to arrive in Malaysia within two years, and with a price tag of under RM100,000. (Pauline)
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 23 2018, 04:58 PM)
Add Ex pls.
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Jul 23 2018, 05:01 PM)
done..
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So you are seller or buyer ?
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 23 2018, 05:07 PM)
So you are seller or buyer ?
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neither..im just provider of correct info...
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neither..im just provider of correct info...
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Maintenance for cars like honda, toyota quite expensive.

I think proton cars have advantage of being cheaper in maintenance.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 23 2018, 05:12 PM)
Maintenance for cars like honda, toyota quite expensive.

I think proton cars have advantage of being cheaper in maintenance.
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Sure proton maintenance is cheaper..

but biggest question is..reliable or not..

no use cheaper maintenance but hv to repair often..
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Jul 23 2018, 05:13 PM)
Sure proton maintenance is cheaper..

but biggest question is..reliable or not..

no use cheaper maintenance but hv to repair often..
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Reasonable to use existing proton models as benchmark ?
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jul 23 2018, 04:49 PM)
lol, top 10 carmakers in prc actually better than protong... by the numbers alone they have the economic of scale and $$$ for improvement

maxus also a good brand but problem is design only part of the equation... if you dont sell well enough and dont command a high premium you cant survive... just like koreans in this region
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Local distributor and carmaker's commitment is a huge factor of success.

Honda very successful when Honda Japan themselves come and take control of stuffs like product planning, specification, pricing, etc. That's why their products always feel just right in pricing, spec, then become popular. All DRB need to do is just local assemble, then the sales and aftersales are 3rd party dealers.

Toyota just leave it to UMW, kena upcar kaw2. CH-R is stupidly priced, and giving us 1.8 N/A is just pathetic when the 1.2 turbo is the main dish. Nissan also with Tan Chong, Hyundai with Sime Darby, Kia with Naza etc. All just hidup segan, mati tak mahu.

I think Maxus seems to be doing quite well with the MPV, if they're patient and invest in their business, they will continue to grow. Chery had that chance before, but after the Eastar success, they just lost steam and now fade back to nothing. Sigh.

But of course, Geely has much better chance of success, they're directly owning 49.9% of proton. Given their global ambition, there's good reason they really want Proton to be really successful.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 23 2018, 05:17 PM)
Reasonable to use existing proton models as benchmark ?
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erm...since this SUV is entirely new platform...i dont think so..
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Jul 23 2018, 07:19 PM)
Local distributor and carmaker's commitment is a huge factor of success.

Honda very successful when Honda Japan themselves come and take control of stuffs like product planning, specification, pricing, etc. That's why their products always feel just right in pricing, spec, then become popular. All DRB need to do is just local assemble, then the sales and aftersales are 3rd party dealers.

Toyota just leave it to UMW, kena upcar kaw2. CH-R is stupidly priced, and giving us 1.8 N/A is just pathetic when the 1.2 turbo is the main dish. Nissan also with Tan Chong, Hyundai with Sime Darby, Kia with Naza etc. All just hidup segan, mati tak mahu.

I think Maxus seems to be doing quite well with the MPV, if they're patient and invest in their business, they will continue to grow. Chery had that chance before, but after the Eastar success, they just lost steam and now fade back to nothing. Sigh.

But of course, Geely has much better chance of success, they're directly owning 49.9% of proton. Given their global ambition, there's good reason they really want Proton to be really successful.
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Jul 23 2018, 05:19 PM)
Local distributor and carmaker's commitment is a huge factor of success.

Honda very successful when Honda Japan themselves come and take control of stuffs like product planning, specification, pricing, etc. That's why their products always feel just right in pricing, spec, then become popular. All DRB need to do is just local assemble, then the sales and aftersales are 3rd party dealers.

Toyota just leave it to UMW, kena upcar kaw2. CH-R is stupidly priced, and giving us 1.8 N/A is just pathetic when the 1.2 turbo is the main dish. Nissan also with Tan Chong, Hyundai with Sime Darby, Kia with Naza etc. All just hidup segan, mati tak mahu.

I think Maxus seems to be doing quite well with the MPV, if they're patient and invest in their business, they will continue to grow. Chery had that chance before, but after the Eastar success, they just lost steam and now fade back to nothing. Sigh.

But of course, Geely has much better chance of success, they're directly owning 49.9% of proton. Given their global ambition, there's good reason they really want Proton to be really successful.
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Kia should learn from Honda on how to gain market share here, Honda last time sales is below Toyota in ranking. Now, Honda sales is more than Proton and Toyota much much more.

But i see UMW starting to change something to boost up their market share, could be Toyota pushing behind.

What Geely lacking is right hand drive mass market, Volvo is more into premium market.
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QUOTE(MarioKart @ Jul 23 2018, 04:49 PM)
Trust me. The price is between Rm50k to Rm150k.

If wrong, i run nekkid at Proton Showroom.
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How about this one? 105,900 yuan(RM 63,405) for high spec and adding taxes, it would be somewhere around 85k without insurance. Features not as good as its successor but definitely more than enough for the average buyer even though this is an older car.



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QUOTE(reka.co @ Jul 23 2018, 09:50 PM)
if really 79k, confirm lot people buy. totalled also never mind can get new one
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79k could be the most basic entry level spec.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 23 2018, 09:54 PM)
79k could be the most basic entry level spec.
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The one that no one wants, I guarantee.

People will gladly pay 11k more and get a lot of convenience and comfort features that's so common with this segment. It's been proven time and time again that the higher level trims will sell more compared to the lower level ones and people aren't afraid to spend if the upgrades justify the extra cost.
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they need to price it around HRV price.. else, the upcoming HRV hybrid will just dabao this SUV easily..
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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Jul 23 2018, 09:38 AM)
Tered syok sendiri...

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RM79k in your dream...maybe without wheels kot..
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Logically top spec will be priced above 100k.
You might get it to become 100k or even 99k when discounts is applied years after it released
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Jul 23 2018, 05:19 PM)
erm...since this SUV is entirely new platform...i dont think so..
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i dn't think it's hard to know if this car is reliable or not
since this is not a new car at all, only to us is consider new car
there should be alot of info on the internet regarding this car
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I will buy if less than 90k
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 23 2018, 05:12 PM)
Maintenance for cars like honda, toyota quite expensive.

I think proton cars have advantage of being cheaper in maintenance.
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Potong car parts is unreliable, not durable, 5x more replacement in similar period usage compare to Honda/ Toyota, (Now day even honda/ toyota low tier car also bad quality) second I hate ratting sound especially P1 & P2 low quality plastic build.
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Are the cars in any show room already ?
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QUOTE(ju146 @ Jul 23 2018, 10:22 PM)
they need to price it around HRV price.. else, the upcoming HRV hybrid will just dabao this SUV easily..
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Gg liao, if price similar to HRV, mostly Malaysian sure pick HRV lo.
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Proton new suv vs Honda HRV???

Definitely people will choose Honda lo.
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it have the same size with Haval H2. With starting price RM89,000.00 , im very sure X7 will be price around there. More or less by RM3k.
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QUOTE(ridox_orimabu @ Jul 24 2018, 09:32 AM)
it have the same size with Haval H2. With starting price RM89,000.00 , im very sure X7 will be price around there. More or less by RM3k.
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below 99k at least for CKD
currently CBU they estimated to be around 110K below


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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Jul 23 2018, 05:13 PM)
Sure proton maintenance is cheaper..

but biggest question is..reliable or not..

no use cheaper maintenance but hv to repair often..
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base on my partner in china told me, that geely in china come with free data, when u try to crank ur car more than three time (it happen to all car in winter, due to battery) can't start, after sales services will contact you and provide you all solutions .... for a company that able to provide that type of service nation wide, i do think they serious on building a right car ......
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jul 24 2018, 09:40 AM)
base on my partner in china told me,  that geely in china come with free data, when u try to crank ur car more than three time (it happen to all car in winter, due to battery) can't start, after sales services will contact you and provide you all solutions .... for a company that able to provide that type of service nation wide, i do think they serious on building a right car ......
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is it enough to change malaysian mindset?

currently the market are dominated by Honda/Toyota and Perodua

people already used with this kind of brand, to break into ths market seem quite hard for proton currently

seeing new car from proton plus design from china.

some more malaysian kept bashing on proton non-stop.

Perodua ulgy bezza people still buy even-tho proton saga looks way better and driver better.


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best price should be

75k basic spec
95k full spec

Proton should focus on gaining customer confidence rather than profit


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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jul 24 2018, 09:21 AM)
Proton new suv vs Honda HRV???

Definitely people will choose Honda lo.
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it's not even the size of HRV
more like CRV
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jul 24 2018, 08:03 AM)
i dn't think it's hard to know if this car is reliable or not
since this is not a new car at all, only to us is consider new car
there should be alot of info on the internet regarding this car
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They need to modify to suit the environment here. When you change something, the car need to be test here and tune.

If the spec is not right, than the market is gone.
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jul 24 2018, 09:40 AM)
base on my partner in china told me,  that geely in china come with free data, when u try to crank ur car more than three time (it happen to all car in winter, due to battery) can't start, after sales services will contact you and provide you all solutions .... for a company that able to provide that type of service nation wide, i do think they serious on building a right car ......
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geely in china might be good...

but proton... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(DanialTan1990 @ Jul 24 2018, 09:45 AM)
best price should be

75k basic spec
95k full spec

Proton should focus on gaining customer confidence rather than profit
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IMHO, proton is currently going there

gaining customer confidence

but how? sikit problem plus hantar satu SC.. proton tak bagus, SC tak bagus..bla bla bla
perodua sikit problem, tak pe boleh settle punya

we need to break this kind of mindset.

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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Jul 24 2018, 09:55 AM)
IMHO, proton is currently going there

gaining customer confidence

but how? sikit problem plus hantar satu SC.. proton tak bagus, SC tak bagus..bla bla bla
perodua sikit problem, tak pe boleh settle punya

we need to break this kind of mindset.
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sell cheap first. the car look good already.

just like how kia forte did when it first reach here. cheap and good look.

malaysian like cheap and beauty but dont sacrificed quality. Untung afew no problem as long as it is prolong
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QUOTE(Harold2009 @ Jul 24 2018, 08:54 AM)
Gg liao, if price similar to HRV, mostly Malaysian sure pick HRV lo.
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QUOTE(DanialTan1990 @ Jul 24 2018, 09:58 AM)
sell cheap first. the car look good already.

just like how kia forte did when it first reach here. cheap and good look.

malaysian like cheap and beauty but dont sacrificed quality. Untung afew no problem as long as it is prolong
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The problem with selling it cheap is that you sacrifice a lot of features that buyers expect from this segment of SUV. And people don't care how good it looks if it doesn't offer much comfort or convenience. It may work back then but not necessarily now.

So if Proton sells a variant that is 79k but is kosong version, people will pay an extra 10k and get the nicer model instead with a lot more features that you can get from more established carmakers.

So yeah, don't even bother with a cheap kosong variant because I strongly believe no one will get one. 89k starting price but very well equipped from the beginning is what the market wants as long as it undercuts the main rivals.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 24 2018, 09:47 AM)
They need to modify to suit the environment here. When you change something, the car need to be test here and tune.

If the spec is not right, than the market is gone.
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usually this part p1 don't get it wrong since they do sell cars in hotter climate like egypt
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is proton. sorry no, maybe after geely has about 5 year R&D in then can look.
now definite no.
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QUOTE(Lez Pall @ Jul 24 2018, 10:07 AM)
The problem with selling it cheap is that you sacrifice a lot of features that buyers expect from this segment of SUV. And people don't care how good it looks if it doesn't offer much comfort or convenience. It may work back then but not necessarily now.

So if Proton sells a variant that is 79k but is kosong version, people will pay an extra 10k and get the nicer model instead with a lot more features that you can get from more established carmakers.

So yeah, don't even bother with a cheap kosong variant because I strongly believe no one will get one. 89k starting price but very well equipped from the beginning is what the market wants as long as it undercuts the main rivals.
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QUOTE(Lez Pall @ Jul 24 2018, 10:07 AM)
The problem with selling it cheap is that you sacrifice a lot of features that buyers expect from this segment of SUV. And people don't care how good it looks if it doesn't offer much comfort or convenience. It may work back then but not necessarily now.

So if Proton sells a variant that is 79k but is kosong version, people will pay an extra 10k and get the nicer model instead with a lot more features that you can get from more established carmakers.

So yeah, don't even bother with a cheap kosong variant because I strongly believe no one will get one. 89k starting price but very well equipped from the beginning is what the market wants as long as it undercuts the main rivals.
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dont sacrificed too much until it becomes a joke. just take a low profit margin.
people who have enough money they dont look at proton. Right now, proton need to target buyer that have enough money but not good enough to own honda. this is why perodua is always succesful. they know their target and pricing.
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Actually I have used my Proton Preve for 6 years never breakdown before... Already 100k+ km. Always on time send to service centre each service also about rm300 only.

People always say Proton cars rosak is because they never send for service on time or send to ah beng shop thinking change black oil and filter = service gaotim.

So "Proton cars always rosak" is a myth.
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I dont belip the price will be that low. At least RM118,888.00 exc sst.
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QUOTE(frozz@holic @ Jul 24 2018, 10:21 AM)
is proton. sorry no, maybe after geely has about 5 year R&D in then can look.
now definite no.
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1. geely has been in the market for long
2. your're basically buying a geely car that is already in the market for some time, not brand new car from geely
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QUOTE(Joe Kreutz @ Jul 24 2018, 11:03 AM)
Serious questions here. Does this geely boyue using volvo engines or not?

Personally my biggest sticking point with proton is their engine is so rough. If you start the car and left it idle you can hear it growls. Compared to toyota honda and perodua, their engines refinement is far better
Not mentioning the fuel consumption which proton has already improved and not a valid concern when you're buying suv anyway.

But the engine.. so rough i feel like driving dinosaur
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nope .. is geely TGDi engine .. code name JLE-4G18TDB (update from JLE-4G18TD)
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THEY SAID THIS engine they are based on EA888 engine from VW and modified to its own model engine
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Kia should learn from Honda on how to gain market share here, Honda last time sales is below Toyota in ranking. Now, Honda sales is more than Proton and Toyota much much more.

But i see UMW starting to change something to boost up their market share, could be Toyota pushing behind.

What Geely lacking is right hand drive mass market, Volvo is more into premium market.
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If Kia South Korea wanna get serious, they would be more hand on than today. As is, Naza is doing a huge disservice to the brand, until today just the name Naza invoke the lousy after sales service image, typical crony that only knows how to sell, but incompetent to take care of it.

Aside from CH-R, I don't see what other changes UMW is doing. They got do Vios racing series got la, which is absolutely topkek to me, just shows they really lost the plot. Their customer base had always been conservative people that cares about RV, doing all these racing series will not attract them.

QUOTE(myteam94 @ Jul 24 2018, 09:45 AM)
is it enough to change malaysian mindset?

currently the market are dominated by Honda/Toyota and Perodua

people already used with this kind of brand, to break into ths market seem quite hard for proton currently

seeing new car from proton plus design from china.

some more malaysian kept bashing on proton non-stop.

Perodua ulgy bezza people still buy even-tho proton saga looks way better and driver better.
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I think a few years ago, here in /k got fedup with people keep buying Vios, that's why it's given the name Godcar, it's literally flawless to many people, when it is a super overpriced tin milo.

Today their sales fall so bad to Honda. Change can happen if Proton is persistent enough, and as long as they keep their after sales customer service acceptable, people will buy Proton I believe.

People buy Perodua because of Toyota engine. Put Campro in it, they won't sell. Put Toyota engine in Iriz, Saga it will laku keras.

QUOTE(ThisWorldisWeird @ Jul 24 2018, 10:46 AM)
Actually I have used my Proton Preve for 6 years never breakdown before... Already 100k+ km. Always on time send to service centre each service also about rm300 only.

People always say Proton cars rosak is because they never send for service on time or send to ah beng shop thinking change black oil and filter = service gaotim.

So "Proton cars always rosak" is a myth.
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Proton actually rarely got reliability issue with the important bits like engine, gearbox (except Punch CVT and turbo ones). It's the other things that annoy people eg power window, rattling plastic, door handle fragile etc.
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Jul 24 2018, 11:10 AM)
If Kia South Korea wanna get serious, they would be more hand on than today. As is, Naza is doing a huge disservice to the brand, until today just the name Naza invoke the lousy after sales service image, typical crony that only knows how to sell, but incompetent to take care of it.

Aside from CH-R, I don't see what other changes UMW is doing. They got do Vios racing series got la, which is absolutely topkek to me, just shows they really lost the plot. Their customer base had always been conservative people that cares about RV, doing all these racing series will not attract them.
I think a few years ago, here in /k got fedup with people keep buying Vios, that's why it's given the name Godcar, it's literally flawless to many people, when it is a super overpriced tin milo.

Today their sales fall so bad to Honda. Change can happen if Proton is persistent enough, and as long as they keep their after sales customer service acceptable, people will buy Proton I believe.

People buy Perodua because of Toyota engine. Put Campro in it, they won't sell. Put Toyota engine in Iriz, Saga it will laku keras.
Proton actually rarely got reliability issue with the important bits like engine, gearbox (except Punch CVT and turbo ones). It's the other things that annoy people eg power window, rattling plastic, door handle fragile etc.
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i think ppl will buy proton but (geely product).. i think current models and design from proton will be phase out soon and no more campro engines
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Jul 24 2018, 11:10 AM)
Proton actually rarely got reliability issue with the important bits like engine, gearbox (except Punch CVT and turbo ones). It's the other things that annoy people eg power window, rattling plastic, door handle fragile etc.
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Well my power window only one piece got problem during these 6 years so far. Fixed free of charge during service.

Other than that, no problem. The rattling was due to old engine mounting after a few years, after changed, no issue again.

I dono what's the big complaints about.

Maybe the bashers actually never driven proton before. Or they only driven the 90s proton with issues and cannot accept the fact that Proton has improved since.
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QUOTE(destee88 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:12 AM)
i think ppl will buy proton but (geely product).. i think current models and design from proton will be phase out soon and no more campro engines
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For sure, I think got leak before slides of Proton's future plan include MPV, a B-segment SUV. This B-segment SUV can be a real Perodua killer if can price circa RM50k-60k.

Even last year, during press conference of Geely buying Proton, some Geely big guys edi said they wanna update Proton with latest Euro 6 powertrain, so campro, punch CVT is really on its last leg.
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I will skip this, in China this model has a lot of issue with the Transmission. Good luck
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Jul 24 2018, 11:16 AM)
For sure, I think got leak before slides of Proton's future plan include MPV, a B-segment SUV. This B-segment SUV can be a real Perodua killer if can price circa RM50k-60k.

Even last year, during press conference of Geely buying Proton, some Geely big guys edi said they wanna update Proton with latest Euro 6 powertrain, so campro, punch CVT is really on its last leg.
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thats why preve was given last minor facelift before phasing out

if only they used 6-speed manual on current base turbo preve
confirm jual keras.
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Jul 24 2018, 11:16 AM)
For sure, I think got leak before slides of Proton's future plan include MPV, a B-segment SUV. This B-segment SUV can be a real Perodua killer if can price circa RM50k-60k.

Even last year, during press conference of Geely buying Proton, some Geely big guys edi said they wanna update Proton with latest Euro 6 powertrain, so campro, punch CVT is really on its last leg.
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dun forget perodua also wanna out its D38L project SUV .. to fight with proton ... this gonna be good to us .. got competitive got improvment , and benefit consumers like us
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jul 24 2018, 11:18 AM)
I will skip this, in China this model has a lot of issue with the Transmission. Good luck
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can share.. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:18 AM)
thats why preve was given last minor facelift before phasing out

if only they used 6-speed manual on current base turbo preve
confirm jual keras.
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if they keep their good name maybe ya .. but they name edy kotor ... how good also cannot sell
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QUOTE(Joe Kreutz @ Jul 24 2018, 11:03 AM)
Serious questions here. Does this geely boyue using volvo engines or not?

Personally my biggest sticking point with proton is their engine is so rough. If you start the car and left it idle you can hear it growls. Compared to toyota honda and perodua, their engines refinement is far better
Not mentioning the fuel consumption which proton has already improved and not a valid concern when you're buying suv anyway.

But the engine.. so rough i feel like driving dinosaur
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No, they are using Mitsubishi Engine.
1.8 L 4G18 I4
2.0 L 4G20 I4
- From Wikipedia

You should try pijot or renault, their engine roars like dinosaurs..

Those who owned Proton before Preve-era are terrorized by the quality of the accessories, power windows, and fuel consumption. So they are like "Swear I won't get another Proton". then they probably had switched to H, T or P2 brand.

So for Proton to win back their old customers, they need to do better. better than T, H brand, at least P2 brand. to win back their trust.

How better? They need to figure it out.
And i don't think they put Volvo engine into the Boyue can sell well here..Cost of the engine?
>Still can't win our trust.


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QUOTE(Joe Kreutz @ Jul 24 2018, 11:19 AM)
So they will phased out campro? Not really a lost there.

How about the ricardos engine? Supposed to debut either this year or next year according to proton's original plan right?
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still ricardoes engines again ??? that i think edy become unknown forevor
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THEY SAID THIS engine they are based on EA888 engine from VW and modified to its own model engine
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Any source on this?

The connections I see is that both are available in 1.8 turbo and is also direct injection on both. But at the same time the Geely engine is using Mitsubishi coding (4G) and is more powerful than VW one (181hp/285nm vs 170hp/270nm).

Maybe they reversed engineered the VW engine and made improvements to the design but there's no concrete proof on this.

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QUOTE(destee88 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:20 AM)
if they keep their good name  maybe ya .. but they name edy kotor ... how good also cannot sell
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but many keen for 6-speed manual since it once debut in Aussie, not sure about Uk
the car unperformed due to CVT usage (based on owners claimed)

those who convert 5-speed manual, they said the car perform the best plus less headache with CVT proton problem

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got sos?
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No, they are using Mitsubishi Engine.
1.8 L 4G18 I4
2.0 L 4G20 I4
- From Wikipedia

You should try pijot or renault, their engine roars like dinosaurs..

Those who owned Proton before Preve-era are terrorized by the quality of the accessories, power windows, and fuel consumption. So they are like "Swear I won't get another Proton". then they probably had switched to H, T or P2 brand.

So for Proton to win back their old customers, they need to do better. better than T, H brand, at least P2 brand. to win back their trust.

How better? They need to figure it out.
And i don't think they put Volvo engine into the Boyue can sell well here..Cost of the engine?
>Still can't win our trust.
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cannot be volvo engine .. else no body will buy volvo.. it affect their business sales
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:20 AM)
got sos?
can share.. cool2.gif
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http://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1602323998...r=spider&for=pc

Top 5 problems

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:20 AM)
No, they are using Mitsubishi Engine.
1.8 L 4G18 I4
2.0 L 4G20 I4
- From Wikipedia

You should try pijot or renault, their engine roars like dinosaurs..

Those who owned Proton before Preve-era are terrorized by the quality of the accessories, power windows, and fuel consumption. So they are like "Swear I won't get another Proton". then they probably had switched to H, T or P2 brand.

So for Proton to win back their old customers, they need to do better. better than T, H brand, at least P2 brand. to win back their trust.

How better? They need to figure it out.
And i don't think they put Volvo engine into the Boyue can sell well here..Cost of the engine?
>Still can't win our trust.
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how come even the P2 axia/bezza quality issues but people still buy it eh?

i've ride few of those cars with grab

some quality already teruk (tercabut here n there) even baru 1-2 yrs old judging by their plate number la

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jul 24 2018, 11:23 AM)
that is 2016 model.. dun forget proton SUV is 2018 model ..
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that is 2016 model.. dun forget proton SUV is 2018 model ..
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the no.4 issue regarding ride height, proton will tune it to suit better with our road condition.
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Look at new perdana price, you can guess roughly how much it cost
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So many proton saleman here promoting this SUV and claim it is good. Let's wait and see if it is really good. So far, china made cars sold here all disappointing. LOL.
All poorfags thinking buying SUV to show off but forget the petrol and maintenance cost. By the way, brand is the main thing people don't buy this car, not only the price.
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QUOTE(Lez Pall @ Jul 24 2018, 11:21 AM)
Any source on this?

The connections I see is that both are available in 1.8 turbo and is also direct injection on both. But at the same time the Geely engine is using Mitsubishi coding (4G) and is more powerful than VW one (181hp/285nm vs 170hp/270nm).

Maybe they reversed engineered the VW engine and made improvements to the design but there's no concrete proof on this.
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yup.. in chinese ..

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/sear...n&ct=clnk&gl=my
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jul 24 2018, 11:23 AM)
This article is released in early April which was before the facelift was launched. Our version is the facelift which I believe has improvements done to some of the common issues reported.

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QUOTE(destee88 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:23 AM)
cannot be volvo engine .. else no body will buy volvo.. it affect their business sales
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Sure thing. It is like pulling down the image of a Volvo.

QUOTE(myteam94 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:24 AM)
how come even the P2 axia/bezza quality issues but people still buy it eh?

i've ride few of those cars with grab

some quality already teruk (tercabut here n there) even baru 1-2 yrs old judging by their plate number la
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Maybe that is like people call them, lemon unit.

Let's say, if one frustrated to P1 quality, then jump to P2. If P2 fails them, that's where/when P1 grab the chances there...If P1 still buat bodo2, then they change to T or H. habis cerita.


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QUOTE(Joe Kreutz @ Jul 24 2018, 11:29 AM)
Fcuk me. Im one of those user who got terrorized by proton's pre-preve subpar quality problem. Haih
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QUOTE(destee88 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:19 AM)
dun forget perodua also wanna out its D38L project SUV .. to fight with proton ... this gonna be good to us .. got competitive got improvment , and benefit consumers like us
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Yea, it seems likely based on Daihatsu Terios in Indonesia. Looks likely to be 7-seater, can replace Alza already.

As long as it uses Toyota Dual VVT-i engine, people tak payah fikir, tak nak pening, beli je.

QUOTE(Joe Kreutz @ Jul 24 2018, 11:19 AM)
So they will phased out campro? Not really a lost there.

How about the ricardos engine? Supposed to debut either this year or next year according to proton's original plan right?
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Sudah shelved after Geely come in. Geely focus on cleaning up Proton, no time for new own engine, faster and easier to just use their powertrain.

QUOTE(nebula87 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:20 AM)
No, they are using Mitsubishi Engine.
1.8 L 4G18 I4
2.0 L 4G20 I4
- From Wikipedia

You should try pijot or renault, their engine roars like dinosaurs..

Those who owned Proton before Preve-era are terrorized by the quality of the accessories, power windows, and fuel consumption. So they are like "Swear I won't get another Proton". then they probably had switched to H, T or P2 brand.

So for Proton to win back their old customers, they need to do better. better than T, H brand, at least P2 brand. to win back their trust.

How better? They need to figure it out.
And i don't think they put Volvo engine into the Boyue can sell well here..Cost of the engine?
>Still can't win our trust.
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Not Volvo engine, Volvo never had 1.8 turbo. Also, they never developed Boyue with Volvo engine before, it will take quite extensive testing to plonk a new powertrain into Boyue, so nope, no Volvo engine, not at least this generation.

QUOTE(myteam94 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:24 AM)
how come even the P2 axia/bezza quality issues but people still buy it eh?

i've ride few of those cars with grab

some quality already teruk (tercabut here n there) even baru 1-2 yrs old judging by their plate number la
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Janji got Toyota engine, tak nak pening, tak payah fikir, beli je.

Even the new Myvi, many wooooow at the USB port beside the driver's seat. Yet, go fb owner's page, many people broke it, kek. The LED headlamp also many woooow, until got owner unluckily broke it when balik kampung, cracked by some flying debris likely. Perodua told him rm1k+ to replace the entire headlamp 1 side, fuuuuh.

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Found these 2 sites, mentioning about Boyue's cons

Link one

[Tl;dr : High fuel consumption, 9-12 liter/100km. Some saying it's due to the engine, and some said after change the wheels (maybe to smaller rims), it will solve the problem]

Link two

[Tl;dr : Weird sound when changing gear, Jerk, Leaking, Weird sound when braking, Fuel consumption high.
>4S service center able to change the transmission, but the problem still persist.
>Foreman dissemble the 2.0T engine and transmission, found that it is not ideal match. Will cause the engine have alot of metal composite.
>There is one news about Boyue transmission exploded, but they covered it up.
>1.8T engine fuel consumption have like 11-12 liter/100km]

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:42 AM)
Found these 2 sites, mentioning about Boyue's cons

Link one

[Tl;dr : High fuel consumption, 9-12 liter/100km. Some saying it's due to the engine, and some said after change the wheels (maybe to smaller rims), it will solve the problem]

Link two

[Tl;dr : Weird sound when changing gear, Jerk, Leaking, Weird sound when braking, Fuel consumption high.
>4S service center able to change the transmission, but the problem still persist.
>Foreman dissemble the 2.0T engine and transmission, found that it is not ideal match. Will cause the engine have alot of metal composite.
>There is one news about Boyue transmission exploded, but they covered it up.
>1.8T engine fuel consumption have like 11-12 liter/100km]

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11-12 L/100km sound like normal fc for big heavy car doing urban driving.

We getting facelift Boyue, I hope they ironed out a lot of the powertrain reliability issue.
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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:42 AM)
Found these 2 sites, mentioning about Boyue's cons

Link one

[Tl;dr : High fuel consumption, 9-12 liter/100km. Some saying it's due to the engine, and some said after change the wheels (maybe to smaller rims), it will solve the problem]

Link two

[Tl;dr : Weird sound when changing gear, Jerk, Leaking, Weird sound when braking, Fuel consumption high.
>4S service center able to change the transmission, but the problem still persist.
>Foreman dissemble the 2.0T engine and transmission, found that it is not ideal match. Will cause the engine have alot of metal composite.
>There is one news about Boyue transmission exploded, but they covered it up.
>1.8T engine fuel consumption have like 11-12 liter/100km]

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This is the 2017 version. Ours is 2018 facelift which could have changes to the internal components that alleviates some of the common problems.
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QUOTE(destee88 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:19 AM)
dun forget perodua also wanna out its D38L project SUV .. to fight with proton ... this gonna be good to us .. got competitive got improvment , and benefit consumers like us
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Perodua is target towards lower middle income group, selling about 60k, definitely not Proton competitor.

Tongsan strategy is grab the market share they lost to Honda/Toyota, and the big pie of SEA market
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QUOTE(Joe Kreutz @ Jul 24 2018, 11:45 AM)
But you dont really expect good fuel consumption when buying an SUV right? People buy SUV for comfort not for good fuel consumption. I think la
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Of course if fuel consumption is good, then it is better.
And also it must compare to other competitor, if others can deliver 8-9l/100km, Consumers still will hesitate.

QUOTE(tokdukun @ Jul 24 2018, 11:46 AM)
11-12 L/100km sound like normal fc for big heavy car doing urban driving.

We getting facelift Boyue, I hope they ironed out a lot of the powertrain reliability issue.
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facelift Boyue still not much of the review. Hope they settle that issue.

QUOTE(Lez Pall @ Jul 24 2018, 11:47 AM)
This is the 2017 version. Ours is 2018 facelift which could have changes to the internal components that alleviates some of the common problems.
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You probably too early to say that. biggrin.gif
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Of course if fuel consumption is good, then it is better.
And also it must compare to other competitor, if others can deliver 8-9l/100km, Consumers still will hesitate.
facelift Boyue still not much of the review. Hope they settle that issue.
You probably too early to say that.  biggrin.gif
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Deswai I say "could". Proton probably knew about the problems and waited for the FL just to be safe.
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jul 24 2018, 11:18 AM)
I will skip this, in China this model has a lot of issue with the Transmission. Good luck
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QUOTE(eddystorm @ Jul 24 2018, 02:21 PM)
sos ada? Or you just simply cook it up yourself?
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Boyue guna engine apa? Does anyone know? In other word, who made engine for Boyue?
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Boyue guna engine apa? Does anyone know? In other word, who made engine for Boyue?
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model name JLE-4G18TDB .. you can google it regarding more about this engine
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sos ada? Or you just simply cook it up yourself?
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theres something call baidu
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I just search google based on this :-

吉利博越问题

The replies coming back seems like saying the gearbox and the fuel consumption not so great.
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QUOTE(destee88 @ Jul 24 2018, 02:29 PM)
model name JLE-4G18TDB .. you can google it regarding more about this engine
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looks like proton legacy by using mitsubishi engine is safe...


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Best answer
Old Europe has 2 drives and 4WD. In 2004, the engine should belong to 4G64. In 2005, it may be 4G69 with a displacement of 2.4. Many domestic automobile engines are widely used, and the technology is quite mature. Maintenance is also relatively simple. Front disc brake, rear drum, a bit soft. After the change 05 to the front of the model, it seems that there is a skylight, and there are front and rear 2. The 1.8T engine is not officially mass-produced. It is expected to be equipped for the first time on the GC9, codenamed JLE-4G18TD.



geely bayou turbo engine is derived from this range i think


http://www.pcauto.com.cn/tech/738/7387412_...#content_page_1

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 24 2018, 03:19 PM)
I just search google based on this :-

吉利博越问题

The replies coming back seems like saying the gearbox and the fuel consumption not so great.
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Yes, Gearbox and Engine problem
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Yes, Gearbox and Engine problem
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Reading the details revealed that it is coming from something called 手动挡变速箱,I supposed is to be translated as manual gearbox. Maybe those who use the automatic gearbox do not experience the same problem.
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Jul 24 2018, 09:45 AM)
is it enough to change malaysian mindset?

currently the market are dominated by Honda/Toyota and Perodua

people already used with this kind of brand, to break into ths market seem quite hard for proton currently

seeing new car from proton plus design from china.

some more malaysian kept bashing on proton non-stop.

Perodua ulgy bezza people still buy even-tho proton saga looks way better and driver better.
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honestly u can't compare Proton with perodua, for look, i think any perodua look better than current saga, for reliability n trust, Perodua is way a head of Proton and all because of worst Brand, management and losing trust, u can't blame them ......
Modern car make more profit from 5s service center but certain Proton Protected Dealer complaint bla bla bla, all thanks to Tongkat culture and way too MUCH corrupt in Proton, honest if Proton still under local management, I'm Sorry i won't bother too .....
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If it is below 100k, you potong ?
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Just curious. what is so good about this car? The expected price point? or coz its coming from china.
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jul 24 2018, 05:52 PM)
honestly u can't compare Proton with perodua, for look, i think any perodua look better than current saga, for reliability n trust, Perodua is way a head of Proton and all because of worst Brand, management and losing trust, u can't blame them ......
Modern car make more profit from 5s service center but certain Proton Protected Dealer complaint bla bla bla, all thanks to Tongkat culture and way too MUCH corrupt in Proton, honest if Proton still under local management, I'm Sorry i won't bother too .....
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I'm no Proton supporter, but MyVi is the only nice looking Perodua.

Iriz, Preve, Persona, Saga all look better
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Rakyat need to boycott Proton, simultaneously will made Proton close its operation permanently and later price for automotive in malaysia will drop handsomely..
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I'm no Proton supporter, but MyVi is the only nice looking Perodua.

Iriz, Preve, Persona, Saga all look better
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Rakyat need to boycott Proton, simultaneously will made Proton close its operation permanently and later price for automotive in malaysia will drop handsomely..
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Just curious. what is so good about this car? The expected price point? or coz its coming from china.
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Lower price without sacrificing too much on quality is the expectation of the people. We don't know if that will be delivered. We shall see.
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Rakyat need to boycott Proton, simultaneously will made Proton close its operation permanently and later price for automotive in malaysia will drop handsomely..
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Boycott proton will make price of automatives drop ? How does it work ?
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Rakyat need to boycott Proton, simultaneously will made Proton close its operation permanently and later price for automotive in malaysia will drop handsomely..
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u lupa ada Perodua ke?

that one oso need ploteksen
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 25 2018, 09:22 AM)
Lower price without sacrificing too much on quality is the expectation of the people. We don't know if that will be delivered. We shall see.
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Proton + made in china? = puke.gif

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the engine also made in china ka?
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You are arguing based on your own perception only.

Proton suv is mostly a China made product. Proton is only involved in the assembly. Just like xiaomi. How many % of mobile users in the world is using xiaomi now ?
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the engine also made in china ka?
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yes it is all pure in china made ..
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yes it is all pure in china made ..
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wa lao.... who dare to become first batch "victims" of this car first? laugh.gif
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let's say if the Proton SUV is retailing at RM95K for 2.0L version, what do you think?
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QUOTE(batangria @ Jul 25 2018, 10:03 AM)
turbo needs very regular maintenance, problem la wei
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maybe this one no need ??? will wait and see
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wa lao.... who dare to become first batch "victims" of this car first? laugh.gif
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Why need to worry about being a first batch "victim", it's already in production for almost 4 years now. I'm guessing by the time the car arrives here, the engine already has quite a few incremental updates from testing done in China and locally. It might not fix everything but at least there's a benefit of a doubt.


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wa lao.... who dare to become first batch "victims" of this car first? laugh.gif
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if the car is already available in the market..how can it be considered as "first batch"??
malaysian are more like buying the facelifted version of it already laugh.gif

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:31 AM)
Sure thing. It is like pulling down the image of a Volvo.
Maybe that is like people call them, lemon unit.

Let's say, if one frustrated to P1 quality, then jump to P2. If P2 fails them, that's where/when P1 grab the chances there...If P1 still buat bodo2, then they change to T or H. habis cerita.
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Yeah, this is true, even new 3rd gen mybi brand new at p2 showroom already shown their poor built quality, ratting sound will clearly hear when drive on gravel road, even the speed is average 30km/h. Malaysian made car= low quality build, better pick recond japan made far better quality, even T & H brands new vehicle price range below RM100K also poor built quality.
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QUOTE(Lez Pall @ Jul 25 2018, 10:41 AM)
Why need to worry about being a first batch "victim", it's  already in production for almost 4 years now. I'm guessing by the time the car arrives here, the engine already has quite a few incremental updates from testing done in China and locally. It might not fix everything but at least there's a benefit of a doubt.
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i still hope the price is affortable ... then maybe some ppl dare to try it out .. and i also as i never try out suv ... if price is nice sure i would like to try out
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if the car is already available in the market..how can it be considered as "first batch"??
malaysian are more like buying the facelifted version of it already laugh.gif
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It's mostly true but changing steering on the left to the right, could be a significant change. wink.gif
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It's mostly true but changing steering on the left to the right, could be a significant change. wink.gif
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all brand have left to right, vice versa conversion kit
most of the major component still maintain the same

so, no..malaysians aren't getting first batch at all...after so many years, can call facelift version already
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turbo needs very regular maintenance, problem la wei
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This statement is no complete true, if proton turbo, it's extreme unreliable. Modern Diesel turbocharged like isuzu, nissan, toyota and ford is extreme reliable, turbo charged vehicle at least use good semi / full syntetic like liqui moly or AF1 lubricant, good schedule maintenance, engine run still strong even odo meter clock over 300K kilometer without any single overhaul! That's why thailand and Sabah mostly dominated by modern turbocharged diesel engine vehicles.
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QUOTE(batangria @ Jul 25 2018, 10:46 AM)
from various sources, boyue owners claimed that here are the common problems

1. tank is under the car body, and sound insulation not good.
2. 1.5T and 2.0L engine has high fuel consumption
3. oil leakage at gear box
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Small weak underpowered gasoline turbocharged/NA engine sure bad fuel consumption. Especially those engine put in a SUV/MPV make situation even worse! That's why I don't buy any vehicles comes with gasoline engine, fuel costs is the major issues. I rather buy good modern Diesel Turbocharged vehicles comes at least 400Nm torque as minimum for better fuel efficiency, if can't afford, better buy Axia E or use motocycles because only cheap alternatif to own a car while can enjoy low fuel consumption costs. That a fact.
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QUOTE(Lez Pall @ Jul 25 2018, 10:41 AM)
Why need to worry about being a first batch "victim", it's  already in production for almost 4 years now. I'm guessing by the time the car arrives here, the engine already has quite a few incremental updates from testing done in China and locally. It might not fix everything but at least there's a benefit of a doubt.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jul 25 2018, 10:42 AM)
if the car is already available in the market..how can it be considered as "first batch"??
malaysian are more like buying the facelifted version of it already laugh.gif
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Right hand drive is the "first batch" la. In China all are left hand drive. Bear in mind, the interface connections to engine switching from left hand to right hand will affect the safety and performance. Hence, not sure will have any issues here becuase seem like they are rushing to launch the cars here less a than a year in development. So good luck to those who are going to buy the "first batch"car lo. doh.gif sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Harold2009 @ Jul 25 2018, 10:51 AM)
This statement is no complete true, if proton turbo, it's extreme unreliable. Modern Diesel turbocharged like isuzu, nissan, toyota and ford is extreme reliable, turbo charged vehicle at least use good semi / full syntetic like liqui moly or AF1 lubricant, good schedule maintenance, engine run still strong even odo meter clock over 300K kilometer without any single overhaul! That's why thailand and Sabah mostly dominated by modern turbocharged diesel engine vehicles.
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i think your point is correct but what about modern Petrol turbocharged engine? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(nantokodoki @ Jul 25 2018, 11:02 AM)
China made car. What do u expect?
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So fast to jump into generalisations. Most of what you hear about affects the 2016 and early 2017 batches. We don't quite know yet but the 2018 batches could have some of these problems already fixed.

I can list several problems of many Japanese cars and say "what do you expect" as well.
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QUOTE(Lez Pall @ Jul 25 2018, 11:11 AM)
So fast to jump into generalisations. Most of what you hear about affects the 2016 and early 2017 batches. We don't quite know yet but the 2018 batches could have some of these problems already fixed.

I can list several problems of many Japanese cars and say "what do you expect" as well.
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This is first batch la. Right hand drive is the first batch of car made by them and in less than a year development. doh.gif
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QUOTE(jimmybcmy @ Jul 25 2018, 11:03 AM)
Right hand drive is the "first batch" la. In China all are left hand drive. Bear in mind, the interface connections to engine switching from left hand to right hand will affect the safety and performance. Hence, not sure will have any issues here becuase seem like they are rushing to launch the cars here less a than a year in development. So good luck to those who are going to buy the "first batch"car lo.  doh.gif  sweat.gif
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all brand have such thing called LHD to RHD vice versa conversion kit
didn't see any difference from those car
since proton also got sell in LHD market, i dn't see them having any problem with it
if the gearbox is gated, can feel the difference because the gearbox won't change
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Jul 25 2018, 11:04 AM)
i think your point is correct but what about modern Petrol turbocharged engine? sweat.gif
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Modern petrol turbocharged engine can't match modern diesel turbocharged engine, especially weak torque and bad fuel efficiency, only petrol pros is slight better pickup if size engine same cc as diesel because higher rev rpm, higher rpm engine cons is bad fuel consumption. if modern petrol hybrid may different story, Diesel engine better FC because low rpm, normally 4500rpm max rev but can compensate with modern gearbox to add higher top speed and better acceleration like navara np300 7 speed or latest ford ranger raptor 10 speed.

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jul 25 2018, 11:15 AM)
all brand have such thing called LHD to RHD vice versa conversion kit
didn't see any difference from those car
since proton also got sell in LHD market, i dn't see them having any problem with it
if the gearbox is gated, can feel the difference because the gearbox won't change
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LOL, the connection interfaces changed and you still think there is no difference. Go look at your car, those connection are safety item such as brake pipe, fuel hoses, etc. Is there suffiecent test before lauchning here? doh.gif
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QUOTE(jimmybcmy @ Jul 25 2018, 11:21 AM)
LOL, the connection interfaces changed and you still think there is no difference. Go look at your car, those connection are safety item such as brake pipe, fuel hoses, etc. Is there suffiecent test before lauchning here?  doh.gif
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the biggest different is placement
but major components are still the same component
like the engine, GB, radiator, a/c...etc

small problem can be fixed via warranty which is why it's there and will be expected since even T&H car isn't problem free nowadays anyway
in fact, import japs car nowadays i notice when there is problem, it's usually major problem
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jul 25 2018, 11:26 AM)
the biggest different is placement
but major components are still the same component
like the engine, GB, radiator, a/c...etc

small problem can be fixed via warranty which is why it's there and will be expected since even T&H car isn't problem free nowadays anyway
in fact, import japs car nowadays i notice when there is problem, it's usually major problem
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You think fuel and brake lines connection to engine is not important ?? if blood vessel supply to your heart and brain got problem, you still will be fine?? hmm.gif doh.gif What happen if those connections failed during driving. Don't try to mislead people here shakehead.gif



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QUOTE(jimmybcmy @ Jul 25 2018, 11:33 AM)
You think fuel and brake lines connection to engine is not important ?? if blood vessel supply to your heart and brain got problem, you still will be fine??  hmm.gif  doh.gif  What happen if those connections failed during driving. Don't try to mislead people here shakehead.gif 

By the way, japs car are all RHD, not convertion required.
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who told u that?
u think japs car are only sold in japan?
they're sold all over the world lah, u think those sold in america is RHD?

all european car brand started as LHD
come asia become RHD
all car manufacturer have LHD and RHD for all their models
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QUOTE(jimmybcmy @ Jul 25 2018, 11:33 AM)
You think fuel and brake lines connection to engine is not important ?? if blood vessel supply to your heart and brain got problem, you still will be fine??  hmm.gif  doh.gif  What happen if those connections failed during driving. Don't try to mislead people here shakehead.gif 

By the way, japs car are all RHD, not convertion required.
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Seriously.Dumb
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QUOTE(galkelly @ Jul 25 2018, 11:56 AM)
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jul 25 2018, 10:49 AM)
all brand have left to right, vice versa conversion kit
most of the major component still maintain the same

so, no..malaysians aren't getting first batch at all...after so many years, can call facelift version already
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I read that Geely Boyue was launched only in March 2016. Not so many years ago. Malaysia could very likely be the first on-the-road usage of the RHD kit.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jul 25 2018, 11:41 AM)
who told u that?
u think japs car are only sold in japan?
they're sold all over the world lah, u think those sold in america is RHD?

all european car brand started as LHD
come asia become RHD
all car manufacturer have LHD and RHD for all their models
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QUOTE(peja5081 @ Jul 25 2018, 11:48 AM)
Seriously.Dumb
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Bodo, read carefully. Which of your eyes read that I said in Europe country.

Lowyat should ban these stupid proton salemen here promoting their stupid car. Their comments are so bias, everythig is good about proton. doh.gif shakehead.gif They usually got offended if you comment anything bad about their car, especially this overrated boyue shiit.

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 25 2018, 01:55 PM)
I read that Geely Boyue was launched only in March 2016. Not so many years ago. Malaysia could very likely be the first on-the-road usage of the RHD kit.
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in 2.5 years, in malaysia can considered as facelift version already laugh.gif

QUOTE(jimmybcmy @ Jul 25 2018, 02:36 PM)
Bodo, read carefully.  Which of your eyes read that I said in Europe country.

Lowyat should ban these stupid proton salemen here promoting their stupid car. Their comments are so bias, everythig is good about proton.  doh.gif  shakehead.gif They usually got offended if you comment anything bad about their car, especially this overrated boyue shiit.
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mod should ban u instead
u clearly said....picture speaks louder than words
thn went and edit it like u never said it before
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The price predictions sucks and inaccurate. The lowest specs would be around 92K.

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QUOTE(RoyMcAvoy @ Jul 25 2018, 04:52 PM)
The price predictions sucks and inaccurate. The lowest specs would be around 92K.

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Price will be a major consideration, as people are only willing to buy this car if the quality is comparable with Honda equivalent but lower price.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 25 2018, 05:03 PM)
Price will be a major consideration, as people are only willing to buy this car if the quality is comparable with Honda equivalent but lower price.
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yup.. 92K with basic spec hmm.. still expensive ... maybe 85K still ok

 

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