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post Jul 26 2018, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(ClarenceT @ Jul 26 2018, 12:31 PM)
I won't use a debit or prepaid (including Bigpay) or Gold/Platinum Credit card to shop at a LV store!
It should be either Premium credit cards or Cash!
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If can get good exchange rate why not?
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post Jul 26 2018, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(ClarenceT @ Jul 26 2018, 12:31 PM)
I won't use a debit or prepaid (including Bigpay) or Gold/Platinum Credit card to shop at a LV store!
It should be either Premium credit cards or Cash!
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I don't think it is relevant what I use to pay, as long as I can afford to pay. So what if one is carrying a Platinum card but rejected? Besides, I'm Chinese, I walk in LV @ Champs Elysees, they treat me like a boss along with the hundreds of China tourists there. When I was in Hermes in Frankfurt, the service was impeccable, simply because I was Chinese. I looked at the Arabs in there with me, they didn't get as good service as me, although they might have been carrying gold bars.

QUOTE(digidigi @ Jul 26 2018, 12:58 PM)
If can get good exchange rate why not?
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post Jul 26 2018, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(BigPayJonathan @ Jul 26 2018, 12:11 PM)
There's something I don't understand here.

What prevents you from topping RM10k with your credit card, spend as much as you like, and then keep on topping up with your debit card or via online banking? You'll still be able to spend way more than RM10k per month with your BigPay card. We're not putting a global top up limit, just a top up limit on credit card. And there's no limit to how much you can spend with your BigPay - as long as there's money on your account.

How is that incompatible with everything you've described above? If your goal is to use BigPay for safety & FX reasons, the top up source is irrelevant.

(and yes, contactless payments are coming soon - we'll be communicating our roll-out plan in about 2 weeks from now)
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QUOTE(yvonnesoo @ Jul 26 2018, 12:37 PM)
using bank money as you mentioned, you still need to pay back using your own money isn't?

unless one don't plan to pay it that fast, or in full or owe it or BT or loan or etc..  hmm.gif
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Sometimes we spend on company expenditure whereby we can claim back end of the month but not from our cash money from bank, that's why credit card company earn money if we use it more on spending.

Please implement withdraw limit to stop those reload and withdraw habit without spending power to grow your business, limiting reloading with credit card will limit ur business and hope you can share this with Tony and he will agree with this statement.

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post Jul 26 2018, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Jul 26 2018, 12:35 PM)
think the other way: bigpay is limiting their risk exposure from high-usage users  biggrin.gif

cant compare cc vs bigpay/prepaid la. it serves different needs and behavior.

only we treat bigpay like god-like "credit" card, whereas in fact, it should be compared against debit card instead.

source of fund shouldnt be a deterrant factor, heck rm10k/month/card cc reload is a very high amount for majority of users.
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Personally I don't see why is there a need to limit top-up from credit cards, if after verification (which Big Pay did by the way, kudos), that the customer can prove that they are not doing dodgy or illegal things.

Of course at the same time I see a lot of people asking questions here that clearly shows that are up to no good.

Why do you need to care what is the max you can withdraw? Or what's the cap? You just use it like a genuine user, and able to show documentation/proof to Big Pay when they call you asking for verification. You don't need to be afraid of anything. I didn't get banned, Big Pay is professional and they are regulated by BNM, so clearly these group of users are up to no good, but you shouldn't punish the rest of the genuine users by introducing limits like this.
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post Jul 26 2018, 01:21 PM

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May be just issue BP Premier card for the big spenders.
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post Jul 26 2018, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(yvonnesoo @ Jul 26 2018, 12:37 PM)
using bank money as you mentioned, you still need to pay back using your own money isn't?

unless one don't plan to pay it that fast, or in full or owe it or BT or loan or etc..  hmm.gif
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I fell off my chair and still struggle to get up reading your reply

malaysia really is behind in term of financial management
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post Jul 26 2018, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jul 26 2018, 01:21 PM)
May be just issue BP Premier card for the big spenders.
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Maybe BP WMC lol~
With priority pass as well~
With min salary of RM10k/month with EPF uploaded for verification~

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post Jul 26 2018, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 26 2018, 01:10 PM)
Personally I don't see why is there a need to limit top-up from credit cards, if after verification (which Big Pay did by the way, kudos), that the customer can prove that they are not doing dodgy or illegal things.

Of course at the same time I see a lot of people asking questions here that clearly shows that are up to no good.

Why do you need to care what is the max you can withdraw? Or what's the cap? You just use it like a genuine user, and able to show documentation/proof to Big Pay when they call you asking for verification. You don't need to be afraid of anything. I didn't get banned, Big Pay is professional and they are regulated by BNM, so clearly these group of users are up to no good, but you shouldn't punish the rest of the genuine users by introducing limits like this.
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it's called fup for a reason. bound to hit the other spectrum of users.

they are not punishing users, the change is more to business needs rather than user experience, but that is manageable at 10k threshold. be grateful this didn't set lower than 10k.
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post Jul 26 2018, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(BigPayJonathan @ Jul 26 2018, 10:32 AM)
Well, to be perfectly honest, us absorbing the credit card charges is kind of a big thing. And in essence, we're not preventing anyone from topping up their BigPay. We want people to use our card as much as possible, and we also want all our services and fees to be completely fair & transparent. Rather than to start charging for something, we prefer to keep things free - even if that means imposing some sort of limitations. It's two different strategies smile.gif
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It's definitely two different strategies. But what I am pointing out is a strategies that can prevent BigPay incur more "third party charges" and giving flexibility to BigPay user to top up more than 10k per month using cc if that is what they want to do. WIN-WIN situation so BigPay should not say no to this proposal unless there is other reason rather than just "third party charges". brows.gif

I don't want to say something to represent the society because I am not the Prime Minister biggrin.gif, but I myself DEFINITELY WOULD NOT top up BigPay using debit card/banking.

So at the end, after I finish top up 10k into BigPay using credit card for this month (normally will be around 2nd week of the month), I will just keep the card into my drawer. biggrin.gif

In short, in this world, human need to have "usable" value only other people will "friend" with you, it is mutual benefit. Same goes to every product in this world. So for this case, you have just set a limit on the "usable" value of BigPay card. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jul 26 2018, 01:22 PM)
I fell off my chair and still struggle to get up reading your reply

malaysia really is behind in term of financial management
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hahahaha good one la!!! thumbup.gif

but don't blame ppl, blame the government, because it's all due to education. brows.gif
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post Jul 26 2018, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jul 26 2018, 01:22 PM)
I fell off my chair and still struggle to get up reading your reply

malaysia really is behind in term of financial management
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That’s why I didn’t bother to respond. Not my job to educate people, and they are free to voice their opinion even if it’s rather, how do I put this politely, financially ignorant.

QUOTE(cybpsych @ Jul 26 2018, 01:32 PM)
it's called fup for a reason. bound to hit the other spectrum of users.

they are not punishing users, the change is more to business needs rather than user experience, but that is manageable at 10k threshold. be grateful this didn't set lower than 10k.
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My first encounter with FUP is with mobile telcos.

There’s no right or wrong, what’s fair to you isn’t fair to me. And vice versa so let's not get into a debate about it. This guy outlines the issues with FUP:
https://markgalangmusic.com/2014/01/30/fair...licy-is-unfair/

I feel FUP is just a load of crap companies hide behind to justify their actions. But again. I emphasize, that’s my opinion, don’t hammer me for it. You are free to disagree and I’m cool with it.

I don’t have to be “grateful” to Big Pay. They are a business and I am a user. When I use the card they collect fees from the merchant. It is their call to introduce whatever limit they deem fit, and I’m merely pleading with them not to do this as it was an excellent product to begin with, and now they are just setting a course to be another (in my opinion) “meh” product.

I understand the logic they have a RM10k withdrawal cap. You shouldn’t really need to withdraw so much cash, since you can buy the LV bag by using the card and PIN. And I don’t want to carry RM10k or equivalent in foreign currency. But limiting top up when using credit card hurts genuine users.
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 26 2018, 01:48 PM)
That’s why I didn’t bother to respond. Not my job to educate people, and they are free to voice their opinion even if it’s rather, how do I put this politely, financially ignorant.
My first encounter with FUP is with mobile telcos.

There’s no right or wrong, what’s fair to you isn’t fair to me. And vice versa so let's not get into a debate about it. This guy outlines the issues with FUP:
https://markgalangmusic.com/2014/01/30/fair...licy-is-unfair/

I feel FUP is just a load of crap companies hide behind to justify their actions. But again. I emphasize, that’s my opinion, don’t hammer me for it. You are free to disagree and I’m cool with it.

I don’t have to be “grateful” to Big Pay. They are a business and I am a user. When I use the card they collect fees from the merchant. It is their call to introduce whatever limit they deem fit, and I’m merely pleading with them not to do this as it was an excellent product to begin with, and now they are just setting a course to be another (in my opinion) “meh” product.

I understand the logic they have a RM10k withdrawal cap. You shouldn’t really need to withdraw so much cash, since you can buy the LV bag by using the card and PIN. And I don’t want to carry RM10k or equivalent in foreign currency. But limiting top up when using credit card hurts genuine users.
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Bigpay has a rm10k withdrawal cap?
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 26 2018, 01:48 PM)
That’s why I didn’t bother to respond. Not my job to educate people, and they are free to voice their opinion even if it’s rather, how do I put this politely, financially ignorant.
My first encounter with FUP is with mobile telcos.

There’s no right or wrong, what’s fair to you isn’t fair to me. And vice versa so let's not get into a debate about it. This guy outlines the issues with FUP:
https://markgalangmusic.com/2014/01/30/fair...licy-is-unfair/

I feel FUP is just a load of crap companies hide behind to justify their actions. But again. I emphasize, that’s my opinion, don’t hammer me for it. You are free to disagree and I’m cool with it.

I don’t have to be “grateful” to Big Pay. They are a business and I am a user. When I use the card they collect fees from the merchant. It is their call to introduce whatever limit they deem fit, and I’m merely pleading with them not to do this as it was an excellent product to begin with, and now they are just setting a course to be another (in my opinion) “meh” product.

I understand the logic they have a RM10k withdrawal cap. You shouldn’t really need to withdraw so much cash, since you can buy the LV bag by using the card and PIN. And I don’t want to carry RM10k or equivalent in foreign currency. But limiting top up when using credit card hurts genuine users.
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not hammering you laugh.gif

same argument can be said to cc reducing cb benefits too.

if banks giving me RM10k credit limit, and allows me to spend up to RM10k, i as a user expecting cashback for RM10k too! (wishful la) laugh.gif . of course, if i am not prudent, bank making tons from finance charges off my RM10k spending too, but banks doesnt see it worth to give me cashback based on my CL. they rather limit the cb per card, hence managing their budget allocated for the card with cb.

e.g PBB VS now giving up to RM38 cashback which translates to RM633 spending; above it has no benefits to me. however, there are ppl spending >RM633 too or lesser than that.

primarily it's all about business needs, user experience is secondary.

anyhow, things could change anytime, for the better/loosen policies or worse/tighter policies.

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jul 26 2018, 01:58 PM)
Bigpay has a rm10k withdrawal cap?
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Hi, please read Post #01 to get latest info as short cut, icon_rolleyes.gif
Since you have asked (the shortest cut), will just answer you: Nope, we are discussing about the newly implemented FUP on CC Top Up, monthly RM10,000 cap. On withdrawal, still no official clarification yet.
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QUOTE(BigPayJonathan @ Jul 26 2018, 10:48 AM)
IRL meetup, potentially at our offices. I'm thinking presenting our product roadmap, sharing upcoming marketing initiatives, feedback + Q&A session. Freebies, definitely. Tony, I'll invite him. We might get someone to video shoot the entire thing and ask you guys question, but yeah... This would really valuable for us too.

Let me know if there's an interest, and I'll make it happen.
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Dear BigPayJonathan for this Focus Group Discussion I can provide invaluable feedback. I've experience participanting as well as organising FGD before. I promise to behave wink.gif

I don't ask much for the freebies, just a same day return Airasia ticket to participate since I am based in Johor. laugh.gif Will be a good marketing to promote if you can organise this
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QUOTE(pvateme @ Jul 26 2018, 09:57 AM)
does any of you have problem in viewing the whole balance figures in your app with the new app? my balance figures were half blocking by my name on the top banner...
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Yes I have the same problem. It's because we've chosen a large system font!
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QUOTE(fairylord @ Jul 26 2018, 02:38 PM)
Hi, please read Post #01 to get latest info as short cut, icon_rolleyes.gif
Since you have asked (the shortest cut), will just answer you: Nope, we are discussing about the newly implemented FUP on CC Top Up, monthly RM10,000 cap. On withdrawal, still no official clarification yet.
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You won't withdraw >RM20k in a calendar month if no credit transfer from another BP card.
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Let’s say if I reload via my credit card, then I’ll go to the Atm to withdrawal as per normal Atm usage. The max withdrawal is rm1500 per transaction and for that I’ll be charged at rm6?
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Jul 26 2018, 01:32 PM)
Maybe BP WMC lol~
With priority pass as well~
With min salary of RM10k/month with EPF uploaded for verification~
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New market segment for BP👍👍
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jul 26 2018, 01:22 PM)
I fell off my chair and still struggle to get up reading your reply

malaysia really is behind in term of financial management
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Ya lo, some people still say prepaid card can avoid u for overspending etc and credit card u using future money ....
don’t know how to answer really

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