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post Jul 16 2018, 11:13 PM, updated 2y ago

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Naib Presiden PKR, Rafizi Ramli mendakwa penyokong Umno dan Pas masih 'mamai' kerana terus membangkitkan isu harga minyak RM 1.50 seliter untuk RON95 sedangkan ia merupakan manifesto semasa PRU13.

Dalam kenyataan di laman Facebook miliknya, Rafizi menjelaskan manifesto harga minyak RM 1.80 seliter pula adalah sebagai contoh sekiranya harga minyak dunia sekitar AS$45 hingga AS$55 setong di mana kadarnya boleh ditetapkan sebegitu mengikut formula digunakan.

Menurutnya, melihat kepada keadaan terkini, beliau berpuas hati dengan pentadbiran kerajaan sekarang kerana berpegang kepada dasar ekonomi pro-rakyat seperti diperjuangkan selama ini.

"Jika Harapan tidak menang pada 9 Mei lepas, rakyat Malaysia telah menanggung harga minyak RON95 yang naik mendadak dari RM2.20 kepada RM2.44 (minggu ini).

"Harga minyak sekarang bukan AS$55 setong, harganya sudah mencecah USD75 setong maka persoalan yang sepatutnya pembangkang dari Umno dan Pas kupas ialah berapa banyak subsidi diberikan bagi setiap liter petrol dan diesel?

"Hakikatnya, harga RON95 yang ditetapkan mengikut formula yang diwarisi dari pentadbiran Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak adalah jauh lebih tinggi dari yang ditetapkan oleh pentadbiran Pakatan Harapan sekarang, " katanya dalam kenyataan tersebut.

Tambah bekas Ahli Parlimen Pandan itu, beliau tidak membangkang pentadbiran Harapan dalam isu minyak kerana berpendapat subsidi dipulangkan kepada rakyat melebihi daripada apa dijanjikan dalam manifesto.


"Saya ingat pimpinan Umno dan Pas pun tidak bersuara kerana mereka tahu prestasi pentadbiran Harapan dalam bab menstabilkan harga minyak adalah lebih cemerlang dari yang mereka sendiri jangkakan.

"Masalahnya, bukan mudah untuk 'menyekolahkan' penyokong taksub Umno dan Pas yang syok sendiri dengan janji manifesto Jenin (angan-angan) yang mereka sendiri igaukan.

"Saya berkempen untuk mengembalikan subsidi minyak kerana saya tahu bagi setiap satu dolar kenaikan harga minyak mentah dunia, Kerajaan Persekutuan akan mendapat untung berlebihan," ujarnya.

http://www.sinarharian.com.my/nasional/min...-pru13-1.856947


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post Jul 16 2018, 11:16 PM

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good rafizi jawab dengan penuh hemah dan berakal
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post Jul 16 2018, 11:29 PM

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Jap...
US has their own oil refinery...and they are selling 1 drum of oil for 55 usd...

Kita bukan ada our own oil refinery jugak ke... Tu yg petronas tu...?


So kalau us jual to their citizen murah....lets say 1.5 per gallon


Kenapa kita punya mahal?

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post Jul 16 2018, 11:29 PM

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PH (atau mana-mana pimpinan) tidak pernah pun menjanjikan harga turun serta merta kepada RM1.50 seliter untuk RON95. Itu kempen PRU13. Penyokong UMNO dan PAS masih mamai dengan kempen PRU13!

UMNO totally forgotten about GE14..
probably the lost screwed their brains up biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(azhan82 @ Jul 16 2018, 11:29 PM)
PH (atau mana-mana pimpinan) tidak pernah pun menjanjikan harga turun serta merta kepada RM1.50 seliter untuk RON95. Itu kempen PRU13. Penyokong UMNO dan PAS masih mamai dengan kempen PRU13!

UMNO totally forgotten about GE14..
probably the lost screwed their brains up biggrin.gif
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but in all fairness can they really immediately reduce price if they won PRU13?
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QUOTE(h4r8_kIlLeR @ Jul 17 2018, 01:29 AM)
Jap...
US has their own oil refinery...and they are selling 1 drum of oil for 55 usd...

Kita bukan ada our own oil refinery jugak ke... Tu yg petronas tu...?
So kalau us jual to their citizen murah....lets say 1.5 per gallon
Kenapa kita punya mahal?

Cuba explain sikit... Ayam pening
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hello... its USD 3.15/gallon as of last night avg
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Whatever it is Mr Rafizi
It is much better especially for me if petrol reduce
You can say everything u want to say but still if it's get cheaper it is the best.
Coz in the end i just gonna refill it.
I will only salute ur stand if it's benefit me as a a rakyat.
If it not then what can I do just accept it as a loyal Malaysian.

I don't know others who don't want cheaper fuel. They might highly respect ur opinion.
But for me a politician cannot be trusted.
Just read ur explaination and meh...
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post Jul 17 2018, 07:19 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jul 17 2018, 12:34 AM)
hello... its USD 3.15/gallon as of last night avg
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Yeah.... Tapi....kan


1 gallon = 3.78541178 liters

3.15/3.78551178 = 0.8321419658074 cents



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post Jul 17 2018, 07:26 AM

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QUOTE(h4r8_kIlLeR @ Jul 17 2018, 07:19 AM)
Yeah.... Tapi....kan
1 gallon = 3.78541178 liters

3.15/3.78551178 = 0.8321419658074 cents
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Blum Kira USD myr lagi.

Around RM 2.40
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QUOTE(10996455 @ Jul 16 2018, 11:22 PM)
Plenty new car at nz pakai 91 je la , 95 at there consider premium
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actually, our 95 and US 95 is different, they use Octane instead of RON standard that Europe use. So, octane 91 is like ron 95 here.

*edit* I tak reti baca, Aus/NZ use RON, they use 91 and 95

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QUOTE(gestapo @ Jul 16 2018, 11:32 PM)
but in all fairness can they really immediately reduce price if they won PRU13?
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Yes they can if current oil price is below usd45 per barrel.
Now is usd75 per barrel.
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QUOTE(Kritikaros @ Jul 16 2018, 11:17 PM)
maybe can bring back ron 92 for rm1.50 per liter?

dunno if new cars can use it lol
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can but no way
eventhough we're using RON95, we're using a very low quality and dirty RON95 compared to other country
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jul 17 2018, 08:26 AM)
Blum Kira USD myr lagi.

Around RM 2.40
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Yeah... Tapi thats why i asked earlier....


Kalau... Us... Ada oil drilling station and they are selling to their own people 0.83 cents... Per litre...


Kenapa

Malaysia...

Ada oil drilling station.. jual dkat their own people.... 2.40 litre...


If we are buying us drum oil.... Baru la make sense 2.40 ... Tapi we are using our own oil.
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QUOTE(Kritikaros @ Jul 16 2018, 11:17 PM)
maybe can bring back ron 92 for rm1.50 per liter?

dunno if new cars can use it lol
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91 is perfectly fine with conventional engines.
Some places 91 is considered premium
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QUOTE(h4r8_kIlLeR @ Jul 17 2018, 08:07 AM)
Yeah... Tapi thats why i asked earlier....
Kalau... Us... Ada oil drilling station and they are selling to their own people 0.83 cents... Per litre...
Kenapa

Malaysia...

Ada oil drilling station.. jual dkat their own people.... 2.40 litre...
If we are buying us drum oil.... Baru la make sense 2.40 ... Tapi we are using our own oil.
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mak ai can don sohai ka? oil is traded in USD worldwide. their 0.83cent per liter is RM3.2 liter. u can don sohai pls? eventho ur oil is produce in msia, they are still sold in USD as per normal market. Plus, malaysia import oil from others to produce gasoline here. Our higher quality oil is sell at premium price to other countries for different type of usage.
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Jul 16 2018, 11:32 PM)
but in all fairness can they really immediately reduce price if they won PRU13?
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we will never know

but look at gst promise , even with our fucked up economy
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QUOTE(h4r8_kIlLeR @ Jul 16 2018, 11:29 PM)
Jap...
US has their own oil refinery...and they are selling 1 drum of oil for 55 usd...

Kita bukan ada our own oil refinery jugak ke... Tu yg petronas tu...?
So kalau us jual to their citizen murah....lets say 1.5 per gallon
Kenapa kita punya mahal?

Cuba explain sikit... Ayam pening
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bro, i am a bit annoyed that there are still some ppl who are this unaware but i will try to answer anyway. the price of oil you hear on the news is usually crude oil. minyak mentah. this is not petroleum you pump into cars. this is raw oil that needs to be processed. the price of raw is just an indicator of the price of petrol at the pump because it is the most significant fluctuating cost in the manufacturing process. if crude oil goes up, you can expect petrol prices to go up too.

no, the price of regular gasoline (RON89) in the US is not USD1.5/gallon. it is roughly between USD2.50 to 3.50/gallon (MYR2.60-3.80/L) depending on where you fill up. prices are higher for "premium" gas (RON92 and above).
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I think it is a good idea to bring back the RON92 (but this time is Euro 5 grade) and believe most cars are fine with it.

Currently our RON95 is only conforming to Euro 2M standards (I think only BH Petrol is Euro 3) Moreover, most of our RON97 is only conforming to Euro 4 standards...

So it will be good to bring in RON92 with Euro 5 standards for betterment of our environment.
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80 cent usd = 3.2 myr

ape mende korang kira dpt 2.4
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QUOTE(h4r8_kIlLeR @ Jul 17 2018, 08:07 AM)
Yeah... Tapi thats why i asked earlier....
Kalau... Us... Ada oil drilling station and they are selling to their own people 0.83 cents... Per litre...
Kenapa

Malaysia...

Ada oil drilling station.. jual dkat their own people.... 2.40 litre...
If we are buying us drum oil.... Baru la make sense 2.40 ... Tapi we are using our own oil.
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Because our oil (and also many of our agricultural products) were exported instead, since they can fetch higher price due to the quality. Malaysia then imported cheaper oil for domestic use as fuel. If I'm not mistaken Malaysia's oil production is less than the consumption; yearly production is less than 700k barrels but in 2017 the consumption was over 800k barrels. Summore ppl like you demand cheaper oil price. If all of our oil were used domestically Petronas long time ago bungkus already. Oh and for comparison, USA produce more than 13m barrels per year, followed by Saudi Arabia at over 11m barrels. USA population is around 10 times of Malaysia but they produced oil close to 20 times of Malaysia's. Still wonder how they can provide cheap petrol to their citizens?

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QUOTE(gestapo @ Jul 16 2018, 11:32 PM)
but in all fairness can they really immediately reduce price if they won PRU13?
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Yes if the economy not in bad shape. Even possible to give free ptptn.

But harapan inherit a gomen full of debts. How to give goodies when you need to pay debts.
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QUOTE(h4r8_kIlLeR @ Jul 17 2018, 07:19 AM)
Yeah.... Tapi....kan
1 gallon = 3.78541178 liters

3.15/3.78551178 = 0.8321419658074 cents
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Ok, 83 cent USD. Ringgit brapa?
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QUOTE(10996455 @ Jul 16 2018, 11:22 PM)
Plenty new car at nz pakai 91 je la , 95 at there consider premium
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grade of oil in us is different lor..95 at there is considered as 97 already
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Dude, we don’t care how you calculate it.
During BN-era, we don’t care how they calculate it either, we just want cheaper fuel.
Now it’s your era, just give us cheaper fuel.
We already were burdened with high living cost since BN-era.
Don’t mukhriz said, PH menang, esok harga minyak turun. Lupa ke?
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macai bodo cant differentiate pru13 & pru14 laugh.gif
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QUOTE(xtrabite @ Jul 17 2018, 09:15 AM)
Dude, we don’t care how you calculate it.
During BN-era, we don’t care how they calculate it either, we just want cheaper fuel.
Now it’s your era, just give us cheaper fuel.
We already were burdened with high living cost since BN-era.
Don’t mukhriz said, PH menang, esok harga minyak turun. Lupa ke?
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lol i remember each time price up so many people open thread here. now like all senyap laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Jul 17 2018, 09:17 AM)
lol i remember each time price up so many people open thread here. now like all senyap  laugh.gif
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err u say ppl open thread when price up. so any price up recently?
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err u say ppl open thread when price up. so any price up recently?
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U-turn lagi..... meaning even if PH win last GE minyak xturun gak.... last GE and now the price of oil remain almost the same not even much different.
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QUOTE(Newsray @ Jul 17 2018, 09:01 AM)
Yes if the economy not in bad shape. Even possible to give free ptptn.

But harapan inherit a gomen full of debts. How to give goodies when you need to pay debts.
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But with the cancellation of mega projects sure la govt have more money to spend? Oil price also up means more more income to govt whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Newsray @ Jul 17 2018, 09:01 AM)
Yes if the economy not in bad shape. Even possible to give free ptptn.

But harapan inherit a gomen full of debts. How to give goodies when you need to pay debts.
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But with the cancellation of mega projects sure la govt have more money to spend? Oil price also up means more more income to govt whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Jul 17 2018, 09:48 AM)
U-turn lagi..... meaning even if PH win last GE minyak xturun gak.... last GE and now the price of oil remain almost the same not even much different.
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on this particular case, PH ikut their manifesto = u-turn

u got some great otak there

so suka assume this assume that, if this if that. why not if BN win petrol become rm1.50??
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QUOTE(maxxxxx0123 @ Jul 17 2018, 09:38 AM)
err u say ppl open thread when price up. so any price up recently?
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oh ok my bad, wait when go up see how. if turun we puji kerajaan thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(maxxxxx0123 @ Jul 17 2018, 10:02 AM)
on this particular case, PH ikut their manifesto = u-turn

u got some great otak there

so suka assume this assume that, if this if that. why not if BN win petrol become rm1.50??
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Common sense maaa.....
By now should able to decrease the price with the price of the crude oil still remain below 70usd not even above 100usd per barrel
The price of oil barrel remain almost the same as before last GE and now
BN takyah cite laaaa barang still naik je laaa....hoping new gomen will not u-turn and subsidies oil for common ppl like me

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QUOTE(10996455 @ Jul 16 2018, 11:22 PM)
Plenty new car at nz pakai 91 je la , 95 at there consider premium
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QUOTE(Kritikaros @ Jul 16 2018, 11:22 PM)
thanks  thumbup.gif

so we can use it too
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u can have lower RON number, but higher energy in the fuel compared to the higher RON fuel

for example, China's RON92 has more energy than Malaysia's RON95
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banyak complain saja, best kalau terus free kan
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crude oil = upstream
petrol = downstream.

correct?

upstream = process to get the oil from earth.
downstream = processing the oil so that can be used for human.

correct?
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oil price should float monthly. should not stay same like now. maybe could provide subsidy based on %. ie if current price rm3/liter after 10% sub = 2.7. if 2.5 , after sub 2.25. but put minimum amount for subsidy. let say rm2 is the minimum. so if oil price below rm2 gov no need to sub
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QUOTE(10996455 @ Jul 16 2018, 11:22 PM)
Plenty new car at nz pakai 91 je la , 95 at there consider premium
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Ron rating in Malaysia is different from US, not quite sure other country. US RON rating combine Ron and Mon average.

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think that bringing back ron92 make more sense, petrol entrepreneur can made an additional pump for ron 91 and 92 just like how they provide gas station at some of petronas station... anyway i would give the gomen some time as we're yet to see any changes of oil price since. it would be great even if it goes down in an annual basis biggrin.gif hope for the best
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 17 2018, 09:17 AM)
mak ai can don sohai ka? oil is traded in USD worldwide. their 0.83cent per liter is RM3.2 liter. u can don sohai pls? eventho ur oil is produce in msia, they are still sold in USD as per normal market. Plus, malaysia import oil from others to produce gasoline here. Our higher quality oil is sell at premium price to other countries for different type of usage.
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QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Jul 17 2018, 09:39 AM)
bro, i am a bit annoyed that there are still some ppl who are this unaware but i will try to answer anyway. the price of oil you hear on the news is usually crude oil. minyak mentah. this is not petroleum you pump into cars. this is raw oil that needs to be processed. the price of raw is just an indicator of the price of petrol at the pump because it is the most significant fluctuating cost in the manufacturing process. if crude oil goes up, you can expect petrol prices to go up too.

no, the price of regular gasoline (RON89) in the US is not USD1.5/gallon. it is roughly between USD2.50 to 3.50/gallon (MYR2.60-3.80/L) depending on where you fill up. prices are higher for "premium" gas (RON92 and above).
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Oh ye ke?
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QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Jul 17 2018, 09:57 AM)
Because our oil (and also many of our agricultural products) were exported instead, since they can fetch higher price due to the quality. Malaysia then imported cheaper oil for domestic use as fuel. If I'm not mistaken Malaysia's oil production is less than the consumption; yearly production is less than 700k barrels but in 2017 the consumption was over 800k barrels. Summore ppl like you demand cheaper oil price. If all of our oil were used domestically Petronas long time ago bungkus already. Oh and for comparison, USA produce more than 13m barrels per year, followed by Saudi Arabia at over 11m barrels. USA population is around 10 times of Malaysia but they produced oil close to 20 times of Malaysia's. Still wonder how they can provide cheap petrol to their citizens?
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QUOTE(Wan404 @ Jul 17 2018, 09:58 AM)
But with the cancellation of mega projects sure la govt have more money to spend? Oil price also up means more more income to govt whistling.gif
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But hutang sampai generasi cucu cicit pon x bayar habis, where money to spend? Mdb x leh bayar kena MOF bayar hutang. Mana duit lol?

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