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Jul 16 2018, 08:48 AM
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How happy are those who believe without seeing me! ~ Jesus Christ
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Jul 16 2018, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 16 2018, 11:48 AM) That because most of the time I don't really understand what's being written or argued/discussed about at great length especially when it does not concern the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ. I do have friends and family members who have left the Catholic faith to join other Christian denominations for whatever reason. If they are still linked to me via the cornerstone, I don't see why I can't connect with you guys at the most basic level i.e. Jesus Christ, especially if one is guided by the Holy Spirit. This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 16 2018, 12:10 PM |
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Jul 16 2018, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jul 16 2018, 01:03 PM) Yes you are right Pehkay, rightfully it should so or be that way, however scripture also says or rather more specifically Jesus says, "Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and yet don't do what I tell you ?"You've have understood what I've written perfectly, the real question is do we really understand fully what's written in the Gospel ? When I asked my fellow brethren within my faith questions about the teachings of our Lord Jesus, I was shocked with the answers that I was hearing. This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 16 2018, 03:54 PM |
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Jul 16 2018, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jul 16 2018, 04:24 PM) Answers like not accepting the teachings of Jesus Christ. You can even do like what I did, go around your community and ask, "Can you tell me which teachings of Jesus that you cannot accept and why ?" You will be surprised of course, unless they are all born of the Spirit. This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 16 2018, 04:30 PM |
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Jul 22 2018, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(niceguy_ @ Jul 22 2018, 08:34 PM) Disappointments can happen when we look at God too. I give you an example: says you're planning a vacation with ur family, there are several locations you wanted to go, you prayed to God, you chose one country after you done your prayer and felt ease with God. But then the plan crashed, the whole family died, you somehow survive (says u used other plane), so now what? Does that sake your faith? similar things happened to me (of course not whole family died), and it took few years for me to accept God as God. Look up the Old Testament and follow what Job did.This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 22 2018, 10:08 PM |
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Jul 22 2018, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(niceguy_ @ Jul 22 2018, 10:08 PM) Yup he surrendered himself to God and never gave up no matter what. Job was blessed again with even more, was it not ?A lady that I know, had tragedies after tragedies and more tragedies and she was asking why and why and more whys ? It was until she realized in front of the Blessed Sacrement, that it wasn't her position to ask why anymore. For Scripture says a clay pot does not ask the man who made it, "Why did you make me like this ?" After all, the man who makes the pots has the right to use the clay as he wishes, and to make two pots from the same clump of clay. Now my lady friend is peaceful than ever as compared to the time when she was searching for answers that was wrecking her family apart. This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 22 2018, 10:30 PM |
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Jul 22 2018, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(niceguy_ @ Jul 22 2018, 10:33 PM) I have no problem 'being Job' but I think in the transition of being normal again. If you prayed to God and he did not answer and the outcome is the opposite, you might hardly pray again to Him. Yes God is still God and we respect and worship Him as who He is and acknowledge His wisdom of everything but I dare not to ask things from Him. Everyone responds differently through the stages of transitions from loss etc etc to healing. "... might hardly pray to Him again.", now tell me, which seed do you think this is in The Parable of the Sower ? Bro., learn how to ask then. I've asked Him many times and He has never disappointed me. Praise be to our Almighty God. |
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Jul 22 2018, 11:03 PM
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Jul 22 2018, 11:16 PM
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Jul 23 2018, 03:04 PM
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Jul 24 2018, 11:37 AM
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Confession alone cannot make one righteous, for this is what Scripture also says, confess your sins to one another AND pray for one another, so that you will be healed. The prayer 🙏🏻 of a good person has a powerful effect.
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Jul 26 2018, 07:20 AM
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I am trying to follow but just to make sure that I am understanding it right, is this discussion now ...
1. Salvation comes from faith alone ; OR 2. Salvation comes from both faith & good works. Hence the question which is which, right or did I miss out anything substantial in between ? This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 26 2018, 07:23 AM |
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Jul 27 2018, 02:26 AM
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QUOTE(yaokb @ Jul 26 2018, 11:21 PM) I think both Desmond and UW are quite clear that Salvation comes by Faith alone. Well said, Yaokb. I am just not sure why they are arguing over works. Each seem to be deliberately misunderstanding the other. To me, works are a manifestation that our faith is true. We can't help but do good because it is the Holy Spirit at work within us. From the scripture it is clear to me that the process goes like this. Hear the Word ROM 10:14 Have faith in the Word ROM 10:17 Saved by that grace that comes through faith. EPH 2:8-9 Transformed by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God 2 Cor 3:18 Bear fruit of the Spirit. (Read your Bible pray every day) Do works as guided by the Holy Spirit. (ACTS 16:6-10 example of what not to do) Get rewarded for your works done under guidance of Holy Spirit.(1 Cor 3:12-15) For a simple minded person like me, this is what I see with regard to faith & good works, The Greatest Commandment & the second most important commandment. Or I could use the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ, about being born of the Spirit & those who does the will of God, only being able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Or I could also use the life of our Lord Jesus Christ directly as depicted in the Gospel. All of the above shows that faith leads to good works, so that when others see such good works, they will praise our Father in heaven, for God alone is good indeed. This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 27 2018, 02:48 AM |
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Jul 27 2018, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Jul 27 2018, 05:48 AM) The correct order of salvation is: The word regeneration is born again, am I right ?Regeneration > faith > good works Without faith its works salvation, without regeneration theres no faith, without good works theres no genuine faith. They are all linked, but the order cant be swapped. We were all spiritually dead before the Spirit regenerated us (eph 1), so regeneration must come first. |
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Jul 27 2018, 04:33 PM
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Wasn't it Sarah idea to begin with ? I thought it was not from Abraham nor Hagar.
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Jul 28 2018, 05:48 AM
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To Mr. Wong SF,
So you do actually believe that one of the thief who died on the cross with our Lord Jesus Christ, the good thief the one who repented, is NOT in paradise now, am I right ? This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 28 2018, 05:49 AM |
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Jul 31 2018, 09:14 AM
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It is true then, anyone who is born of the Spirit, is perfect, for Scriptures also says ...
"You must be perfect - just as your Father in heaven is perfect !" ~ Jesus Christ |
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Jul 31 2018, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 31 2018, 09:33 AM) First and foremost....No Human Being is perfect. No matter how one tries, there will always be flaws. Why? Because we're still in the current body which has the nature of the flesh. That is Fact. When we strive for perfection, is it perfection in the eyes of men according to men's standard OR the perfection in the eyes of our God according to God's standard ? Second, you noticed that God use that phrase....while explaining Loving your enemies. There is reason for it..because this is something not every Christian is willing to do evidently. In the Greek..the word "Perfect" here means complete and the adjective = Mature. Hence why the word "teleios" or in the English "perfect, complete" is use in here. (Matthew 5:43-49) The Lord insist that we must love our enemies even if we don't feel like it. That would make us "complete" or Mature...or Perfect if you will. Love for Enemies 43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbori and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Why then is it written that salvation comes to those who only believes. Is it any different that those who are born again by the Spirit of God, are they not perfect ? It was written somewhere, try not to walk on thin ice but anyone who is born of the Spirit already walks on water ! I am telling the truth, salvation comes to those who has faith and to those who has faith and good works. This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 31 2018, 10:05 AM |
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Jul 31 2018, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jul 31 2018, 12:01 PM) this is very interesting Anyone who born of the Spirit will produce good works for the glory of our Father in heaven. The person who is born of the Spirit will never seek glory for himself for he is fully aware that such good works are the workings of our Heavenly Father. because this suggest the existence of faith that dont produce good work did I understand you correctly? The good thief at Calvary could no longer do any good works but his act of faith on the crucifix brought him salvation. Surely you would have read The Parable of the Three Servants. How do you interpret them in the light of faith and good works ? All my brothers in Christ, it's better to judge oneself against the teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ, than to judge others. For Scriptures says, "In the days to come, says the Lord : I will put my laws in their hearts ♥️ and write them on their minds." Concern yourselves then of how to be born of the Spirit which is always the right thing to do. However for those who are born of the Spirit, you will be tested by the Evil One. This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 31 2018, 09:42 PM |
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Jul 31 2018, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jul 31 2018, 06:57 PM) good thief? I prefer to term it as penitent thief. he have more good work than most of us ever will have The Roman Catholic Church uses the word good 😊.THE PENITENT THIEF: A MODEL OF TRUE REPENTANCE? J.C. RYLE Many people look at the broad fact that the penitent thief crucified with Jesus was saved in the hour of death, but examine no further (Luke 23:39-43). They do not look at the distinct and well-defined evidences of repentance that fell from his lips before he died. Those evidences deserve our closest attention.Genesis 1:2-7 The first notable step in the thief's repentance was his concern about his companion's wickedness in reviling Christ. "Do you not fear God," he said, "seeing you are in the same condemnation." The second step was a full acknowledgment of his own sin. "We indeed are just in condemnation. We receive the due reward of our deeds." The third step was an open confession of Christ's innocence. "This man has done nothing amiss." The fourth step was faith in Jesus Christ's power and will to save him. He turned to a crucified sufferer, and called Him "Lord," and declared his belief that He had a kingdom. The fifth step was prayer. He cried to Jesus when he was hanging on the cross and asked Him - even then - to intercede for him. The sixth and last step was humility. He begged to be "remembered" by our Lord. He mentions no great thing. Enough for him if he is remembered by Christ. These six points should always be remembered in connection with the penitent thief. His time was very short for giving proof of his conversion. But it was time well spent. Few dying people have ever left behind them such good evidences as have been left by this man. The word penitent is a better description like you've said. However when reading Scriptures we must know whether it means literally or figuratively, in this case the word penitent is the literal while the word good is figurative. So in effect both words are fine to be used in that sense. This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Aug 1 2018, 01:09 PM |
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