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post Feb 13 2019, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Feb 13 2019, 02:33 PM)
I think that's a self-made teaching of yours.
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Self-made teaching of mine ?

If I came in my own name, there's absolutely nothing that's worth teaching, ever that I can guarantee. But I come not in my name but in the name of my Lord, Jesus Christ.

Let's simply talk about infallible and being born again of the Spirit and about my self-made teaching.

"To me, anyone who is born again is already infallible." - Roman Catholic.

The Roman Catholic Church says that our Pope is infallible in terms of faith & morals. Now, that I believe without a doubt, because that's in line with Sacred Scriptures.

1. Our Pope is guided by the Holy Spirit i.e. Born again.
2. Since the Pope is guided by the Holy Spirit, The Truth, hence It's infallible because God is Truth.

Tell us, which is easier to say, the "self-made teaching" or the other long extended version ?

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post Feb 13 2019, 05:12 PM

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Here's an open question to all Christians, irregardless of which denomination.

1. How many of you here sincerely believe that the Pope, of the Roman Catholic Church is the ONLY person in the world, who is allowed to be born again.

2. How many of you here sincerely believe that our God is so generous, that He desires not only the Pope but everyone else to be born again.

3. How many of you here sincerely believe that being born again is an exclusive right for our Lord Jesus Christ only.

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post Feb 13 2019, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Feb 13 2019, 05:31 PM)
You define born again=infallibility, which is not true according to Catholic teaching.
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So born again i.e. with the Spirit of God = fallible. Is this the Roman Catholic Church's teaching ?
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post Feb 13 2019, 07:09 PM

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To Yeeck & all,

I apologize if the recent postings sounds like a renegade Roman Catholic, 😂 but it is not. I am a Roman Catholic has been and always will be.

My wish is for everyone means all Christians, is to be born again in accordance with Sacred Scriptures.

It doesn't matter whichever denomination one may belongs to, but I know for certain led by the Spirit of God one is infallible because everything that proceeds from ones mouth 👄 or actions will be inline with Sacred Scriptures.

God bless everyone.

P/S : I don't know why this thoughts keeps appearing in the visions of the night i.e. "The heart ❤️ is capable for such profound immensity to LOVE but only when God changes one's heart of stone to a heart of flesh."

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post Feb 13 2019, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Feb 13 2019, 08:04 PM)
Where in scripture?
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Hi Thomas Thai,

It's meant figuratively speaking & not literally because it's in-between the lines. The post right at the top of this page # 721 shows a simple connection from my limited understanding as a Roman Catholic.

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post Feb 14 2019, 07:28 AM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Feb 13 2019, 05:25 PM)
Don't be silly. Being born again in Catholic teaching is being regenerated by water and Spirit. And this is via the Sacrament of Baptism. Peter mentioned this transformation from sin to grace when he exhorted people to "be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38).

Another thing. Truth is not determined by the number of people believing in something, so asking how many here believe in so and so I feel is rather pointless.
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I really wanted to ignore this when I saw it yesterday because I know I would look like a turncoat a pirate a renegade but after my dream, now I can't, so now, it will to be addressed.

"Being born again is Catholic teaching is that Sacrament of Baptism regenerated by water & Spirit. ..."

You cannot possibly imagine how much I want that, like in the fairy tale, that sounds so simple & true but is it really true ? If it was true like all 2 in 1 solutions, then I ask, why are so many of my Catholic brethren laities having trouble with faith etc ?

My Teacher Jesus Christ says, John is greater than any man who has ever lived. But he who is the least in the Kingdom of God is greater than John.

John says, I baptize you with water to show that you've repented, but the One who come after me will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire 🔥.

My Teacher also says, No one can enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

It's all too clear that these actions of being born of water and the Spirit are mutually exclusive of each other.

Finally St Peter also says, We must obey a God, not men.

I've restraint myself from adding "self-made teaching" because there is much I have to say, but my Teacher says, Let it be so for now, For in this way, we shall do all that God requires.

If anyone so much as thinks that I am planning of setting a new Roman Catholic Church within the existing Roman Catholic Church. Rest assured I have no interest at all or any other church for that matter.

Just in case if anyone thinks that I have an axe to grind with the Roman Catholic Church. It's an absolute rubbish !

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post Feb 16 2019, 06:15 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Feb 15 2019, 02:30 PM)
Well the election of Matthias is clearly a mistake because HS has later elect Paul, ie there is no 13 apostle
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What was it that made you say that it was a mistake, Desmond ?

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Feb 16 2019, 08:14 AM)
First nature of The way Matthias elected via around 120 man conclave and casting lot, second Jesus has not commanded them to elect a replacement apostle third it happens before Pentecost ie arrival of HS among them fourth in book of revelation mention 12 foundation representing 12 tribes of Israel with name of apostles scribe on it respectively. Fifth Jesus has himself elected and mentor Paul later as apostle.

Just my personal.view anyway
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Ok fair enough I understand.

Throughout Scriptures its clear that man has to work in unison with God. After all it is His plan to begin with. What that only fortifies is this, although it was erroneous man to act alone, God simply turned that negative into a positive for His glory.

Let's see if this now is a self-made teaching of mine, shall we ?

Being born again is to be continually led by the Spirit of God and that's infallible. Just as our Lord Jesus Christ was led by God's Spirit throughout the Gospel, every Word, every teaching is true & completely flawless, with my limited basic level of understanding taught by our Teacher Himself.

Likewise it is with anyone who is continuously led by the Spirit of God, infallible. The real question here, is how many of us are being led by the Spirit of God continuously ? Because without the Spirit of God, anyone is fallible at that point in time.

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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Feb 21 2019, 02:40 AM)
If you are preaching or teaching religion before being perfected and specifically authorized, sent, and ordered the exact words to speak by Christ, to progress spiritually, you must stop.

Every word you preach or teach, that is not heard from the Spirit immediately before speaking, puts condemnation on you, and until perfected and authorized, your teachings will not be true.

From the Word of the Lord within:

"When you speak words from yourself, it doesn't matter what you say; you say them with the wrong spirit, and they don't reach the heart of your listeners.

A word spoken from the Spirit requires you to hear what the Spirit says to you; speak only what you are told to speak.

All and only words from Him are to be spoken; the purpose is to prevent anyone from going out without authority, which you can see creates problems."

However true your words are, unless they are spoken with His Spirit in control of your mouth, your words do not reach the heart of your listeners; such words are idle (non-edifying), and we shall give an account for all non-edifying words that come out of our mouth.

Don't even talk about God or Christ until authorized by Him.


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Spot on, Bro.

It's written in Scriptures that the sheep 🐑 recognizes only the voice of the Good Shepherd. & this sheep will never ever listen to any other strange voices.
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post Feb 27 2019, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 27 2019, 09:17 PM)
how can a wife at home, being ruled by her husband, lead the church?
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Hi Alexkos,

I apologize for cutting in, I would be more interested to know if you would have anything that the woman pastor had preached instead. Example like preaching was it for or was it against Scriptures ?
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post Mar 3 2019, 10:23 PM

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Question to all my Christian brethren who are NOT Catholic specifically, regarding baptism.

Do you believe that the Baptism of Water 💦 and the Baptism of Fire 🔥 is actually the same ?

Or do you believe that both the Baptism of Water 💦 & Fire 🔥 are different and that they are mutually exclusive ?

Or do you have a completely different answer from the above 2 answers ?

Thank you very very much.



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post Mar 4 2019, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 4 2019, 08:59 AM)
Hi, I may not be able to answer on behalf of every Protestant, because at this stage there's Charismaticism creeping in both streams.

Baptism is first mentioned in the NT at the account of John the Baptist.

The very idea of baptism is repentance from sin, and turning to God.

The instrument used was water.

The modes of baptism is, from appearance, a washing. A person going through the baptism is outwardly expressing his desire to be cleansed of his sin within.

Christ came to be baptised, though He is sinless. He did this because it is fitting' (read the exact scripture) for righteousness. Christ's life on Earth is an example. He needs not to repent, but for our sake He demonstrated that attitude of obedience.

Now it's mentioned that the believer is baptised not just with water, but with Holy Spirit, and fire.

Using systematic theology, 1 Cor 12:13 seems to fit well in this case. We were baptised into one body. Without the Holy Spirit, there's no salvation (Romans 8:9).

So, even before moving on to the fire part, there's already debate whether the baptism of Holy Spirit can be authenticated with some means. According to some accounts, one should exhibit the ability to speak in foreign language (tongue), exercise the gift of the Holy Spirit. Yet, many believers receive the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9) and throughout his/her life there's no demonstration of extraordinary gift, but a repentant heart, and gift of ordinary service (like hospitality, showing mercy, charitable).

What will be the summary? Baptism is an important element when it comes to understanding salvation and sanctification. I believe that phrases used like "water" "Holy Spirit" "fire" each carry a meaning, but to say that it is distinct (to side with Charismatic's claim that one must exhibit supernatural gifts) is stretching.

Remember that 'fire' can be used both way. It lit up believer, it also consumes him. God is a consuming fire (talking about judgment).

So, I don't think justifying 'baptism of fire' as being different from the baptism (outlined above) in general.

If it is insisted, then we have a very different understanding of Salvation, and Sanctification, and there's the line to draw (and we will call such a doctrine as heterodox).

Hope it helps.
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Thank you very much Alexkos for your sharing, I really appreciate it.

Will pray over it and like usual, I am sure something will turn up, if it is the will of our Lord.

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post Mar 4 2019, 10:25 AM

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There was a post earlier that wrote something like this "... You and I are not His church." Although I didn't follow the evolution of that discussion in great detail, that line caught me off guard. Here's what I must add specifically "Anyone who does the will of God is already my brother, my sister and my mother of our Lord Jesus Christ."
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Mar 4 2019, 09:03 AM)
Fire is always associated with judgement.

Contrary to what most people believe, the context of fire in Matthew 3 refers to judgement.
Many people missed the latter part of the verse.

The believers (wheat) will be gathered, but the chaff(unbelievers )will be burned. (judgement)
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Thank you Thomasthai. How did I miss your reply ? Hmmm

Will sleep over all the 2 answers provided by Alexkos & U, and reply soon or followed by another question.

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post Mar 10 2019, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Mar 10 2019, 09:52 AM)
To Roman Catholic

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Thank you Mr. WongSF for the link.

I trust that it should be most helpful.
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post Jun 3 2019, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(g0ldeneye @ Jun 2 2019, 07:37 PM)
I would like to invite our brothers and sisters to to join and partake in in facebook discussion groups. such as

https://www.facebook.com/groups/346860312138651/

or

https://www.facebook.com/groups/363780437692279/

As you know we cannot do this openly debate christians and muslims in Malaysia but in it's ok in international forums, even so I would suggest to get an alternative non traceable ID in Facebook and enter the world as a christian apologetic... to defend the word of Jesus Christ.
You will understand your faith better and some of you will be tested and shaken in your knowledge of the word of Jesus. Happy Hunting.
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Sorry I don't use Facebook and I don't think my Lord, Jesus Christ needs anyone to defend Him either. Try being born again and thereafter nothing will ever shake you again. Anything else is just hog wash.


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QUOTE(TheRant @ Sep 8 2019, 06:13 PM)
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My point is, yes religious people do lots of Good work and are kind. But then God is not happy with what they do because what they do have no spiritual purpose at all. In fact it shows hypocrisy actually that they do a lot of good work but yet are not willing to acknowledge God. Their good works are a curse actually.

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Hi bro.,

How would you know that God is not happy with their good works ?
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I have never really followed the postings here cause most of the time I don't really understand what most of the arguement is actually all about, but what I want to say is this, I praise Almighty God for hearing and answering my prayers, an unlearned sinful man. For the sick are healed and possessed are set free and most importantly wisdom, so that I can see in the darkness and continue to praise God forever and ever.

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post Sep 12 2019, 08:12 PM

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I don't know if this is off topic, but does anyone knows of how to be born again ? Seems like that is the only way to Salvation.
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post Sep 15 2019, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Sep 12 2019, 08:34 PM)
What does the scripture say?

John 3 King James Version (KJV)
3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
2  Corinthians 5

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
It is clear from the above verses that Jesus Himself declared the we must be born again in the Spirit.
And when we are born again in the Spirit, Paul declares we are a new creation.

But the question remains.

How is one born again?

I think Paul made it plain in Acts 16

Acts 16:25-40 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Philippian Jailer Saved
25 But at midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were loosed. 27 And the keeper of the prison, awaking from sleep and seeing the prison doors open, supposing the prisoners had fled, drew his sword and was about to kill himself. 28 But Paul called with a loud voice, saying, “Do yourself no harm, for we are all here.”

29 Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

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Its definately much more than just believe, as stated in the above Acts, brother. 😊

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