QUOTE(pehkay @ Feb 14 2019, 01:21 PM)
If ransom of sin is death, in bible there is two.person who don't suffer death..... then it means they are sinless?
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Feb 14 2019, 06:01 PM
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Feb 15 2019, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Feb 15 2019, 11:14 AM) They are not yet dead, I say not yet, because they will in the future, as in the book of Apocalypse, they will return to preach before the 2nd coming of Christ, and die then. Alright.Back to infallible of pope, what do Catholic think with the way Peter elect Matthias to replace Judas? Is that a mistake? As for water baptism. Please consider the below verse And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, "you heard from me; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." Acts 1:4-5 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/act.1.4-5.ESV So when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." Acts 1:6-8 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/act.1.6-8.ESV And let not forget what John the Baptist said in Matthew 3:11. This post has been edited by desmond2020: Feb 15 2019, 01:36 PM |
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Feb 15 2019, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Feb 15 2019, 02:27 PM) Not sure what you mean by mistake on the election of Matthias to replace Judas. Can you elaborate? Well the election of Matthias is clearly a mistake because HS has later elect Paul, ie there is no 13 apostleOn water baptism, there is a difference between the baptism of John and the baptism of Jesus. Acts 19:2-6: And he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said, "No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" They said, "Into John's baptism." And Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus." On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. (**NOTE - Here we see the difference between the initial baptism of John the Baptist, a kind of early form of confession, and the later Baptism of Jesus, where the Holy Spirit actually comes into you and makes your body His temple.) An important thing to remember concerning Baptism, is that Jesus Himself was Baptized to not only sanctify the waters of Baptism for us all (He was sinless, and had no need of the sacrament to remove any of His sins, therefore), but to take on our sins, through space and time, unto himself. We see this in scripture in 2 Corinthians 5:21: "For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." This is why the devil tempted Him right after Baptism, because he was now carrying the sins of the world upon Himself. In Romans 6: 3-6 below, the bible says that we have been baptized into HIS DEATH, which means that the sacrament of Baptism unites us to Jesus through His crucifixion, forever: "Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the sinful body might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin." And to reiterate the Baptism-Crucifixion link, we have the following verses as well; Mark 10:38-39: But Jesus said to them, "You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?" And they said to him, "We are able." And Jesus said to them, "The cup that I drink you will drink; and with the baptism with which I am baptized, you will be baptized; (**NOTE - Here Jesus is talking about his crucifixion). Galatians 2:20: I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me; and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. (**NOTE - Paul was never physically crucified; as a Roman citizen, he was beheaded). Galatians 5:24: And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the the flesh with its passions and desires. So, most people don't realize that when they are baptized they are also being crucified with Jesus, but the good news is that being crucified with Jesus means that we also get to rise from the dead into heaven with Him, to eternal life! This being crucified with Jesus through Baptism goes a long way in helping to explain why so many bad things happen to good Christians - It's part of the crucifixion process! |
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 16 2019, 06:15 AM) First nature of The way Matthias elected via around 120 man conclave and casting lot, second Jesus has not commanded them to elect a replacement apostle third it happens before Pentecost ie arrival of HS among them fourth in book of revelation mention 12 foundation representing 12 tribes of Israel with name of apostles scribe on it respectively. Fifth Jesus has himself elected and mentor Paul later as apostle. Just my personal.view anyway This post has been edited by desmond2020: Feb 16 2019, 08:15 AM |
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Feb 18 2019, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Feb 18 2019, 03:29 PM) Paul is not considered one of the 12 original apostles based on the criteria of Acts 1:21-22. Matthias is the replacement of Judas, and nowhere did Scripture nor Tradition said it was a mistake in choosing Matthias, but again, some later strange Protestant group ideas..... Well just say it is pretty weird because Matthias is unique among apostles as he is only one not appointed by Jesus And further I don't know if Peter's act is inspired during the time between Jesus lifted to heaven and HS descend among them. And quick clearly Jesus give a command for them to wait for arrival of HS, ie not elelcting a replacement apostle |
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Feb 27 2019, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Feb 27 2019, 08:11 AM) Hehe i know you don't mean that. On the topic of female pastor ordination There are just too many people throwing this around. I hear people say this all the time, God told me this and that. The most burning question is Where are the man where there are call to missionary? Have you seems woman missionary go into uncharted land preached to native under great risk alone? So where are the man? Why they don't step out to accompany? Enjoy |
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Feb 28 2019, 07:14 PM) Or *wink* all these presupposes there is a role called the pastor Universal priesthood?What if, all the believers should shepherd each other mutually. After all, elder denotes the person, and overseer denotes the function. And that sister should not define the truth with authority but be under the covering of the brothers. |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 13 2019, 09:29 AM) You see you are only interested in heaven, in a distance. Better question to ask is if the slavation an event or process?The Jew is interested in the kingdom now. Heaven is a consequence. Whereas serving God on earth is their priority. Again I repeat James to your question . So in essence, True living faith demands works Dead faith demands nothing You seem just to think about heaven. Its only a consequence of our life in Christ. The kingdom is now, here on earth. This post has been edited by desmond2020: Sep 13 2019, 10:48 AM |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 13 2019, 11:34 AM) And alsoAs he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, "Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!" But he said, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!" Luke 11:27-28 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/luk.11.27-28.ESV if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/2ch.7.14.ESV Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:1-3 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1-3.ESV |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 13 2019, 01:12 PM) Looks like all instructions require WORKS. The first verse is especially for Mary worshipping RCC! As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, "Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!" But he said, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!" |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 13 2019, 02:08 PM) I am saying FAITH in Jesus leads to the kingdom and ultimately heaven, which you like. Justification by faith but faith is never aloneGo and study what Hebrew faith is, not what Faith vs works as the modern grace teachers like to pitch. You want to learn, do and dig. Not just simple yes or no. Then you will understand what James is trying to tell you. Faith is not just knowing the truth, but also living by that truth. Because even devil has the knowledge of truth, in fact devil has better knowledge about the truth than all of us, but he aint living by the truth And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven." Mark 2:5 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/mrk.2.5.ESV This post has been edited by desmond2020: Sep 13 2019, 02:56 PM |
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And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. And he said to them, "To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, so that "'they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.'" And he said to them, "Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? The sower sows the word. And these are the ones along the path, where the word is sown: when they hear, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word that is sown in them. And these are the ones sown on rocky ground: the ones who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy. And they have no root in themselves, but endure for a while; then, when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately they fall away. And others are the ones sown among thorns. They are those who hear the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. But those that were sown on the good soil are the ones who hear the word and accept it and bear fruit, thirtyfold and sixtyfold and a hundredfold." And he said to them, "Is a lamp brought in to be put under a basket, or under a bed, and not on a stand? For nothing is hidden except to be made manifest; nor is anything secret except to come to light. If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear." And he said to them, "Pay attention to what you hear: with the measure you use, it will be measured to you, and still more will be added to you. For to the one who has, more will be given, and from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away."
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