Morning Guys,


Haih Mr Wong, I don't know what you're attempting, reading your posts makes no sense, but point is you won't find any works that the thief did. Jesus granted him access to Paradise based on his Faith which is consistent throughout the Bible.

That is the one hard evidence nobody will be able to refute because God knew there will be people who propagate Faith in Christ and his Grace is not enough. The Holy Spirit purposely record that so that you will understand.

besides...coming back to the book of James...if you think about it...What has the works of providing food, cloths or Rahab hiding the spies or even Abraham offering Isaac has to do with Salvation?

Answer is Nothing.

None of those qualify, so If you say YOU MUST DO those works to be saved, that is heresy.

Since Nobody is disputing that, that we are of the same agreement, EVEN if you don't do those works, your salvation is NOT forfeited, but you'll just experience a defeat life as Christians.

SO STOP using Faith without Works is dead verse to think that is the context to justify for Salvation. It never has been and should never be.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 28 2018, 09:13 AM

Erm, hence why God send his believers to share the testimony with you.

We're telling you God is real, has been an impact in our lives. Yes there will be a New Heaven and New Earth.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 28 2018, 09:56 AM

Where is God?

Romans 8:37 (NIV) - No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.

Dear Friends.

It is easy to say, “Praise the Lord!" when times are good. It is easy to believe that God loves you when you are on the top in life. But what happens when you are down and out?

Many a times, it is not the trials that make us strong, but our responses in those trials. The devil wants us to respond by asking, “Where is God?” But God wants us to respond with faith in His love for us. We are more than conquerors not because of our love for Him, but through Him who loves us. And that is the key, God's Love!

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 28 2018, 07:45 PM

Leap of Faith

I wonder how does the wife feel? Her husband having sex with another woman and the wife ordered it.

You realize something? In the Hall of Faith (Hebrews 11) even though Abraham lied twice and Sarah laugh at God for doubting on the birth of Isaac, their flaws were not recorded but instead were given praise for their faith in God.

First and foremost....No Human Being is perfect. No matter how one tries, there will always be flaws. Why? Because we're still in the current body which has the nature of the flesh. That is Fact.

Second, you noticed that God use that phrase....while explaining Loving your enemies. There is reason for it..because this is something not every Christian is willing to do evidently.

In the Greek..the word "Perfect" here means complete and the adjective = Mature.

Hence why the word "teleios" or in the English "perfect, complete" is use in here. (Matthew 5:43-49) The Lord insist that we must love our enemies even if we don't feel like it. That would make us "complete" or Mature...or Perfect if you will.

Love for Enemies
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbori and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 31 2018, 09:43 AM

Erm, calm down, I'm talking about why Christ use that phrase sandwiched .... when he talks about Loving your enemies.

You're talking about something else.

A spiritual revelation.

That is key importance.



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 31 2018, 01:48 PM

pandai u.

that....... actually wins over all kind of theology.

Hi Roman,

Nobody can be perfect. Only God is perfect but that doesn't mean we don't try to thrive better. The part where we are not perfect is a FACT, That is the point. Why? As I've explained quite clearly..we are still living in the current body that has the nature of the flesh. Now with that being said, the nature of the flesh does not define who are in Christ. God has separated us from that through Jesus and YET the flesh is still in the body.

I just want to bring one thing clear.

The state of our sinnerhood or sainthood is not bestowed correlated to our performances. We are sinners because of Adam. We inherited the sinnerhood from him. We always argue, no matter what good you do, you cannot erase the sinnerhood status, agree? The argument behind this is that, sin cannot be erased by human effort or performances. So in other words, what you do or don't do, cannot solve the problem of sin.

Likewise in the same manner, how God bestowed sainthood or the state of being cleansed from sin is not bestowed correlated to our performances. Hebrews 10:10 tells us, we are made clean = BECAUSE of CHRIST!

Hebrews 10:10 (NIV) - And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Being born again, is of the spirit, it is the work of God, not your works, meaning not your obedience that justify. Because if you say it does, then you're going back to the Old Covenant Law that presupposes on our obedience for justification.

The problem with your angst in this is that you correlate sinnerhood and sainthood to your own performances.

Allow me to further explain (related to this) why what desmond brought up on the dying thief are not works. It's an error to think that it is. All the steps outlined are confession of the mouth. That is point no.1.

Whenever someone demands to see the fruits as evidence of being saved. The idea behind this is that, you need to prove it out by your actions in life BECAUSE anyone can easily confess anything or in other words "Just say" and do nothing. And that takes time. it will take years, otherwise HOW do you know, what you say is what you will do? How will one know, without the years of walking it out is tangible evidence that by what you do, you are inline with what you say? Do you agree up to here?

The dying thief merely confess and did not have the privilege of walking the talk. YET Christ Jesus granted him paradise upon the confession of his mouth on the very 1st time EVEN before he has the chance to prove his walk. (to show the fruits)

Think about it. That is something irrefutable.

God hates Self Righteousness or anything that revolves on presupposition of the strength of Man.

Isaiah 31:1 (NIV) - Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help, who rely on horses, who trust in the multitude of their chariots and in the great strength of their horsemen, but do not look to the Holy One of Israel, or seek help from the LORD.

When the Children of Israel was rescued from the Egyptians by the Lord, along the way to the promised land, they complained, the murmured, etc.
Yet every cry of need and complain brought forth fresh providence of Grace from God. The Israelite did not die from those sins. God was "CLOSE" and was with them in a pillar of cloud by day and pillar of fire by night.

They were given grace not because they were good but because God is good.

But the moment they took the position of presuming on their own strength on mount Sinai...saying

"kōl ’ă-šer- dib-ber Yah-weh na-‘ă-śeh; long before they even heard 1 commandment....(they have not heard what are those commands and yet presume they are able to)

Meaning; "We will do everything the LORD has commanded" presuming on their own effort before God.

God told Moses to tell them;

"Put limits for the people around the mountain" meaning do not come near. Anyone who does or even touch the foot of the mountain will die. Even if an animal touches the foot of the mountain will die. Only when the ram’s horn sounds a long blast may they approach the mountain.”And there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud. The outlook seems terrifying. Hebrews 12 tells us..this same mountain permeates darkness, gloom and storm. This symbolizes...there is a distance between God and Man.


After this; on their journey to the promise land, when they complained and murmured, they were struck down and they died.

How come there seems to be a change in the way God treated them before and after the Law was given?

I leave this to your thoughts.

God Bless


This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 2 2018, 09:53 AM

Bro...He said "I am not advocating actionless christian."

Actually what he said on this is correct:

They are leaning on works, and the good works become their idol.

On one extreme end Christians subconsciously do not know they're banking on their works as the confident factor. And I know it's hard to detach from that.

Yup agreed, that is a good perspective.