QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 13 2019, 04:58 PM)
While I can agree what you're tying to imply, this Faith + Work is not really a straight forward answer but it can be.
No where in the book of James 2 teaches us that dead works leads to disqualification to heaven.
it teaches us that it leads to the phrase worthless or unprofitable, KJV uses the word dead. Meaning unprofitable Christian lives or defeated life vs a victorious one.
The difference is in there.
Else to say Works is require for Salvation would make Ephesians 2:8-9 to be not true.
For the phrase in verse 10 of the same chapter
10.For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.
tell us we are indeed created to do good works, we are designed for it and yet doesn't mean lack of it disqualify us to Salvation.
It seems to me that both of you are actually on the same page.
is PJ basically saying that works are the fruits of true faith?
(James 2)
is UW is saying even if works does not appear, salvation is assured?
can both be correct, under the right circumstances?
PJ, are u saying,
Faith is the seed.
Works are the fruits
Works must manifest, given time, if the faith is genuine?
UW, What if a person professes faith but chooses to continue in his old ways, actually refusing to yield to the Holy Spirit and be transformed, is that "faith" real?
When I put all this together, i see a clearer picture between faith and works.
It explains the thief on the cross ( Luke 23 )
It explains Paul and James seemingly differing viewpoints
it even explains Jesus' parable on the fig tree (Luke 13)