In John 15
5 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.


"if you remains in me" what does that means?

jesus has make it very clear that one have to hear the truth and then do as commanded

Think about this,

If a crippled, poor man seeks God, do you think God demands work from this man?

In God's eyes we are all crippled. Because of our imperfections, nothing of our own works can ever measure up to him. They are just pathetically ugly rags. We can only perform well if He anointed us with His Grace, when and where is His decision alone. If He says you stay and don't do nothing, then you are to stay and don't do nothing, unless God anointed some of us for some mission immposibles, we are not to take any action on our own just because we have faith.

Hoho ... really need to see this how it is explained

To experience the abiding and bearing fruit (in action - you might go and bear fruit) requires a "spiritual reality" ...



Weird ... I could distinctly remember that I post something on this .... :/

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jul 31 2018, 12:46 PM

if you talk about crippled man then I recall a man know as Nick Vujicic


did you know.him?

A spiritual revelation.

Of course, it is obeying God. Therefore it is God's work.

Action is not taking credit for God's work. Action is faith manifested. Without obeying actions, your faith is only a dead creed.



These verses are about obeying the law to attain righteousness. We are not discussing about the law here.

An unveiling to see the reality is definitely the first step

Yes. Do you see God's works behind his efforts or do you only see his own strength? To me he is anointed, and I am amazed that God's Grace can even enable a person like him. He is the shining light that points to God, giving glory to Him. Apart from God, this man cannot do anything.

That is key importance.



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 31 2018, 01:48 PM

Why the or? Why not ... God's working in his own strength that brings forth blessing (as opposed to his own source)?

Like Paul: 2 Cor 2:17b - "... before God we speak in Christ."

well, I see it as demonstration of god's perfection by the faith of crippled person. it can be said that work and faith is the two side of same coin. you cant separate good work from genuine faith


this is being plainly detailed by book of james.


no one think justification need work. but genuine and active faith must demonstrate good work / bear fruits.

Anyone who born of the Spirit will produce good works for the glory of our Father in heaven. The person who is born of the Spirit will never seek glory for himself for he is fully aware that such good works are the workings of our Heavenly Father.

The good thief at Calvary could no longer do any good works but his act of faith on the crucifix brought him salvation.

Surely you would have read The Parable of the Three Servants. How do you interpret them in the light of faith and good works ?

All my brothers in Christ, it's better to judge oneself against the teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ, than to judge others. For Scriptures says, "In the days to come, says the Lord : I will put my laws in their hearts ♥️ and write them on their minds."

Concern yourselves then of how to be born of the Spirit which is always the right thing to do. However for those who are born of the Spirit, you will be tested by the Evil One.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 31 2018, 09:42 PM

good thief? I prefer to term it as penitent thief. he have more good work than most of us ever will have




THE PENITENT THIEF: A MODEL OF TRUE REPENTANCE?

J.C. RYLE

Many people look at the broad fact that the penitent thief crucified with Jesus was saved in the hour of death, but examine no further (Luke 23:39-43). They do not look at the distinct and well-defined evidences of repentance that fell from his lips before he died. Those evidences deserve our closest attention.Genesis 1:2-7

The first notable step in the thief's repentance was his concern about his companion's wickedness in reviling Christ. "Do you not fear God," he said, "seeing you are in the same condemnation."

The second step was a full acknowledgment of his own sin. "We indeed are just in condemnation. We receive the due reward of our deeds."

The third step was an open confession of Christ's innocence. "This man has done nothing amiss."

The fourth step was faith in Jesus Christ's power and will to save him. He turned to a crucified sufferer, and called Him "Lord," and declared his belief that He had a kingdom.

The fifth step was prayer. He cried to Jesus when he was hanging on the cross and asked Him - even then - to intercede for him.

The sixth and last step was humility. He begged to be "remembered" by our Lord. He mentions no great thing. Enough for him if he is remembered by Christ.

These six points should always be remembered in connection with the penitent thief. His time was very short for giving proof of his conversion. But it was time well spent. Few dying people have ever left behind them such good evidences as have been left by this man.

The Roman Catholic Church uses the word good 😊.
The word penitent is a better description like you've said.

However when reading Scriptures we must know whether it means literally or figuratively, in this case the word penitent is the literal while the word good is figurative. So in effect both words are fine to be used in that sense.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Aug 1 2018, 01:09 PM

hi ...

Hey!

any one goes to Kristus Aman church?

Oh you are Catholic? There is the other Catholic thread.

christian / catholic dont matter as long same faith different doctrines only.