So have you been keeping God's commands up to God's expectation?

Don't you try to?

I do but my question is, have you been able to keep it to God's expectation so much so it's the qualification of your salvation since u said it's 2 side of the same coin to salvation..IF I remember it correctly.

Or I could be wrong.....

You are wrong.

I did not mention that we are perfect in keeping to His will.
I said Faith demands action. James said that too.
Abraham showed it. So did Rahab.

However, there are some who think that mental ascend to 'accept' Jesus as their savior is a passport to eternity.
And show nothing else to demonstrate that 'faith'.
James called it dead faith. Even devils have 'faith'. Just the wrong type.

So both Faith + Works = passport to heaven?

Then how do you explain...Ephesians 2:8-9?

8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Good works do not save us. Otherwise all other good works religion is the same.

However, faith in Jesus requires and demands works/action.

Further to the verse that you used

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See the play with words here?

So True Faith demand works/action. Dead faith demands nothing.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Sep 12 2019, 02:02 PM

Jeng jeng jeng .... The Bible reveals both aspects: salvation by grace through faith and the reward of the kingdom is by works

Not really

Faith in Action by Father of Faith!

It's not play of words

Read the verses carefully, "Salvation...it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works"

Emphasize key importance = Gift and best of all From God. Which part of the "Not of works" you missed out here?

Not means No, you know?

Yes further verse says we were created to do good works but bear in mind for it is God who works in us. Again point to God. What I'm trying to say is that you don't control God and neither can you force God to work in you.

so ultimately Salvation is a gift of God's grace.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 12 2019, 02:20 PM

Before we go into another cycle of faith and works, let me say this.

We are not saved by works but by faith, and true faith will always produce good works.

End of story.

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Yes. It is a gift.

And which part of works you missed out inspite of highlighting it for you?

Here again



So True Faith demand good works/action. Dead faith demands nothing. Dead faith is just an inkling in your head.
Even the devils have faith. Dead faith.

True Faith in God, not in ourselves to obey or to work because that can turn into a kind of dependency which is what the Bible is trying to cut off.

We need to cast such dependency away imo and look to Christ alone as the anchor.

I've always argued to put in works into the equation is to mix and muddle up the meaning of gift.

As I've said...The works highlighted here are originated from God. Can you force God to work in you? I mean can you "control" that?

As far as I know, no one can control God or force him to work in you. It is upon your faith as the key.

So the Bible is correct that Faith has always been the key and not works to Salvation.

You are muddled because you do not understand the Jewish meaning of faith.
Bible is trying to cut off nothing.
Help you again

From Father of Faith



Which part of Abraham's works do you not understand?

Would Isaac be conceived without Abraham performing with Sarah?

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Sep 12 2019, 02:31 PM

Wah so fast to write me off. XD

Your premise on the word salvation is the initial salvation.

In Romans Paul tells us that justification is by faith. He feared that some might not know what God had done, what Christ had accomplished, and how effective the precious blood was. They might have thought that just believing was insufficient and that there was an additional need for man's works in order to be saved. Therefore, Paul used the case of Abraham to show that justification is by faith. James, however, also used the case of Abraham in speaking about justification by works. Consequently, we can see that there is a close relationship between justification by faith and justification by works. Paul and James actually spoke about the same thing; their words are not contradictory.

This work is the work of faith. Faith and works are inseparable; they are two sides of one thing.

Yet, I chose my words carefully ... .... salvation is not merely just initial salvation in which we see the two-foldness. I use "the reward of the kingdom" in that salvation is the life-long process.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Sep 12 2019, 02:30 PM

AMEN!

That is the True meaning of the Jewish understanding of faith.

Amen....AMAN.....Hebrew for faith.

Therefore True Faith demand good works/action. Dead faith demands nothing

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Sep 12 2019, 02:35 PM

Ya Righteousness imputed because of his Faith in God.

The word performed there is referring to God performing.. not Abraham.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 12 2019, 02:37 PM

Which part of the performance do you not understand?



When was righteousness imputed?

The phrase

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.


refers to God not Abraham.

And confirmed by James