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jojolicia
post Jan 25 2019, 02:30 PM

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hi need advice in this LAST decision of my life to make:-

age 45
salaried earner from day 1 till today
never venture into business
never invest in stock/bond/unit trust etc

consider myself FI >2yrs ago but not RE yet.

FI as in
>> 2 houses fully paid in 2017 (1 currently staying, 1 on-rent);
>> current kwsp+fds fund generation if compounded 6%(kwsp) & 4%(fd) the next 10yrs, and start withdrawing monthly at age 55 (Yr2029) as retirement expenses is 9200/mth; and if factored 3% inflation rate thereafter Yr 2029, i should die at age >72 (meaning fund 0)

NOW, i need to make ONE LAST decision in either below two option >>

option A, take up a 10yrs mortgage loan of 580K@4.45%pa for a 730K DSL (3rd property); pay 6000/mthx12x10yrs = 720K+(730K-580K) = 870K ;OR

option B, pay ownself (in fd@4%) 6000/mthx12x10yrs

for option A, loan just approved last week, that why need to decide soon.

I wish to hear from the sifu, specially FIRE sifus here, is it wise to tie myself at 45 (tail-end employment age) to this next 10yrs mortgage commitment, or just pay ownself (option B), particularly at current property market

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post Jan 25 2019, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jan 25 2019, 03:34 PM)
Option A riskier than option B. Since u already FI, u have to ask yourself is it necessary for uncessary risk? Only u can answer yourself ...

Option B has the potential to make more... option A is fixed ..

I am just stating the obvious.. in case it is not obvious enough..smile.gif
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thks for your input.

option B; and start reading on stocks for next 10yrs & start somewhr with the 10yrs mortgage installments accumulation right.
jojolicia
post Jan 25 2019, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jan 25 2019, 03:56 PM)
It won't run empty if only the annual interest/dividends are withdrawn[COLOR=blue]... meaning that the annual interest/dividends are enough for your yearly expenses... meaning that the amount saved is enoght to generate the required yearly interest/dividends.

If you are depending on rental income from properties instead of annual interest/dividends, collecting rental every month can be too much "work" and headache when you are at senior age.
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No, not depending on rental income.
Correct it won't run empty, if ONLY annual %/dividends are withdrawn as annual retirement expenses.

my case, i take 1st yrs retirement expenses to be 70% of projected last drawn salary & projected fund size at age 56

age 56; 1st year 10,500/mthx12=126,000pa (with 3% inflation per year) against initial fund projection 2,250,000@4%= only 90,000

so, kena mati age 75 unless i take 90,000/12=7500 pm (1st year)

just my 2cents

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post Jan 25 2019, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jan 25 2019, 03:48 PM)
Oops.. I mean option A has potential to earn more... potential only ah... if freehold landed , hard to lose money in the long run...but because of the monthly installments , u might free more stressful lah[COLOR=blue]..

Option B - sleep soundly
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that is what makes me undecided lo.. confused.gif
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post Jan 26 2019, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 25 2019, 11:54 PM)
Historically, residential property price rise at about inflation rate. At 5% p.a compounded for 10 years, $730k become $1.19m.

Paid $870k for $1.19m in 10 years is not exactly exciting.
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Noted your point with your earlier remark that lending cost is on up-trend... is not exciting.
Thanks
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post Jan 26 2019, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jan 25 2019, 11:04 PM)
Try to live on 90k per annum lor... "forced" to die at 75 is sad!
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75 death in spreadsheet..hope can live longer
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post Jan 26 2019, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Tucker Crowe @ Jan 25 2019, 10:36 PM)
Age 45 is tail end of employment age?

Still got 15 years to retirement age.
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Negatively tail end for a person like me with "3-highs" & on pills daily last 12yrs..i do feel weaker as i near 50 compared to my peers..
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post Feb 19 2019, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Feb 18 2019, 04:37 AM)
Not sifu and maybe my answer is too late by now. But what I've learned

option B, pay ownself (in fd@4%) 6000/mthx12x10yrs  <<<<< Do you mean you cash out your FD to pay?

If you don't mind paying a bit extra, Option A sounds good.

Promotional FDs are between 4.2%-4.3% (banks with PIDM. Banks without PIDM are paying even higher) and some are paid monthly, giving a compounding interest of 4.28%-4.38%. So you lose about 0.1% interest to banks (and some legal/stamping fees) BUT save a lot from paying taxes from your rental income.

Other alternatives are dumping more money into EPF (but your money will be stuck until you have $1m or retire) or ASNB unit trust (see the ASNB thread).
It pains me even more when people ridicule me for not spending such money. Or maybe not. I just feel that they're annoying.....
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Thanks for your inputs.. i have dropped option A (3rd prop) this time, intend to look/see, gut feeling is telling me >> can scoop better bargain in property market coming Yr 19/20

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post Feb 19 2019, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Bora Prisoner @ Feb 13 2019, 04:54 PM)
That's not key.

I have achieved FI, but I still have mortgages (25 years to go), hire purchases etc other bills to pay.

The key is that, my passive income is greater than my expenses.
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rclxms.gif i am still moulding up such a-key of yours. passive income is greater than expenses (here said, expenses is subjective to one's)
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post Feb 19 2019, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(foolc @ Feb 15 2019, 01:34 PM)
i am getting almost 15k after all deductions.... spend about 7k including loans...balance safe ... considered good ?
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This 5:4:1 from monthly take-home pay-cheque has been my own set of distribution since my 1st pay cheque (22yrs since)

Part 1
50% expenses incl commitments, parenting etc all-that-need-to-pay
40% saving
10% protection

Part 2
80% saving on bonus & passive income received
20% spend on whatever that you feel-good



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