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post Sep 28 2019, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(BooYa @ Sep 20 2019, 10:21 PM)
Bank lelong have plenty of fire sale / force sale
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Yes good lelong props are there waiting for you to pick up.
You don't need much money, start with RM200k you can try it.
Imagine you buy lelong LMC DS hse at RM48+k
rental RM450 already >9% pa.
best part is in just 4 yrs can sell RM190k now
market price is RM210k.




QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Sep 21 2019, 12:19 AM)
most of the time, there's a reason why that property is being lelong
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often is the owner could not or did not pay his bank loan,
especially those LMC houses

I got one LC Flat at RM75k where the previous owner just keep collecting rental RM450
never pay his loan, just want cash did not want the property
cheap or not you decide.....

In my portfolio- properties give the best returns
just on rentals alone 8-12%pa/buy cost.
imagine if add in price appreciation.




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post Sep 29 2019, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(kbandito @ Sep 28 2019, 10:17 PM)
icemanfx found you a target to spend your time
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Are you sure? His target is on those greedy buyers who buy on borrowed money, those flippers.

QUOTE(MGM @ Sep 28 2019, 10:48 PM)
Isnt it better to buy few medium-cost houses then many lowcost one as you need to deal with less tenants?
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heard many stories of bad tenants? luckily mine ok, perhaps my agent good.

Higher end props return on rental not good
condo at LaVista bought at RM300k, rental RM1700 deduct maintenance RM220 =RM1480.
A Semi D in Puchong bought at RM600k, rental only RM2000
You decide which is better.
Worse, now the Condo is vacant few months already,
Semi D tenant required repeated chasing to pay up.


QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 28 2019, 11:01 PM)
Wise investors buy when blood is knee deep on the floor. lelong at right price, right location and right units is what property investment all about.
most uuu/bbb herd are blinded by greed; for reasons, the herd is almost always end up in either over the cliff or slaughter house.
Very much depending on individual. some prefer commercial and industrial over residential.
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For those who borrow money to invest they need to think twice as hard and yes I agree
they might need to wait till blood is knee deep...……...to be safe and not end up in slaughter house.

On the other hand if one were to try those cheap lelong props, just how much losses can one suffer ?




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post Nov 24 2019, 02:38 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 23 2019, 10:16 PM)
Tq bro,....

Many years ago, I did consider B Rakyat when I was still investing inside PNB. I knew abt the good dividends there. But, well,... being Non-Bumi did not help, having said that, even Bumis are queueing to be members of this,.. I think it's a Koperasi,... and it has its own set of regulations and mandates. Can't remember,... That was my experience with B Rakyat,...

Hmm,... after that,.. I think I joined another bank or Koperasi that gave higher interest too,... can't remember the name now,....

Been forumming too much today. Pls ignore that I said this : I don't think there is any FD in the world that will pay out mnthly interest.

This is TOTALLY WRONG, forummers,... sorry !  biggrin.gif

What is a growth performance (chart?) for a mutual fund ? Can give an eg ? Perhaps I've been looking at the wrong report,...

I know abt the negotiation advantage for large amts of FDs.
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Monthly interest has been there since time immemorial to me...
it goes to show even if unsure, you could still use the superlatives to push your stand without checking first.









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post Nov 24 2019, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 24 2019, 02:03 PM)
So, what's the problem ?
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Perhaps you have to find out..

QUOTE(bronkos @ Nov 20 2019, 06:22 PM)
Pretty sure you are not loaded from the way u talk.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 22 2019, 10:15 PM)
Many well known bloggers derived their income from website visit, products/services sold and advertised. Hence, could only take their blogging with a pinch of salt.

Only those wannabe don't believe others could better them and insist others to post evidence/proof.
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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Nov 23 2019, 02:56 PM)
But there's quite a number of those kinda people here too; blow water kuda. Throw in some high quality bait, kopi pasta materials, plucked some statistic from thin air & kuda all over. Then new users calls them sifu/master. When the account finally ripen, it's ready for aromachong round 2.
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In your carthasis to push and stamp your investment prowess ability to predict future over others,
better pause and think... true or not.

QUOTE(Dd2318 @ Nov 24 2019, 02:26 PM)
Sifu Master,
Hubris -  - Catharsis.
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post Nov 25 2019, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 25 2019, 12:49 AM)
By the way, I appreciated your challenge and reminder that I was dead-wrong.

I accepted it gracefully, but you must also accept that I corrected my error early before you opened your mouth. So,...in answer to your unnecessary repeats abt checking, pausing and thinking, let me say I have done so BEFORE you opened your gap.

You have nothing else to say except to ask me to check, pause and think !

Let me see if you have other similar things to utter after this.
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Give you a mirror to reflect.

You reply to someone with 30Million .......
QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 22 2019, 01:00 PM)
the Passive Income portion truely made many people speechless.

the passive income ------- SGD40K PER MONTH. AND THIS IS PASSIVE INCOME.

Everybody would be impressed. The important point here is the Income-type, let's just limit ourselves to regulated and known income to authorities. Shadow economy income may catch more,...

If yours is Active Income,... then err,... it's not really a big deal,.... but Passive Income ?????

What is the size of your portfolio ? Do you have a blog that charts out your investment journey please ?

I'm sure even fund managers would like to learn from you !!!

SGD40K equates PER MONTH equates to SGD480K PER YEAR. THIS IS A VERY STRONG ACHIEVEMENT.

I'll add the advice that you'll have to keep up your knowledge on investments so that you can continue to generate those Passive Income CONSISTENTLY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIVES.

,... I almost forgot this VERY IMPORTANT PART : I THINK YOU CAN'T STOP WORKING. BECAUSE YOU NEED THE IMAGE.

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you dont believe people can make passive income $40k a month
must doubt it-----say may be his active income? ,
ask what income type is that?regulated or not?.
Want to see his portfolio and blog..

For someone acting like investment expert i expect you to know the simple fact
if one has $30 Million, even with 0 investment knowledge, simply dump the money in bank
with a meagre 1.6% return already can make that $40k passive income a month!

As usual chest-thumping your investment prowess, lecture a specialist Dr with S$30Million and passive income 40k a month on how to live do not splurge , how to invest and said he cant stop working........Hilarious to say the least!

And when people do not want to learn from you, you get annoyed....


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post Nov 26 2019, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 26 2019, 10:10 PM)
Thanks for the tag, but I’m not here to prove to any of the forum users here about the veracity of my statements. I have nothing to gain from the perceived adulation as I have anything to lose from the incredulity of complete strangers.

But I do have this to say about Dd2318 and his “research” on alleged specialists remunerations in Singapore by way of the screenshot above:

My friend, that screenshot and the data is about as accurate as Pakatan Harapan’s ministerial income declaration. If it gives you and your fragile ego a sense of comfort to say that I’m unable to legitimately earn what I said I do, then, please do not let me get in the way of that perception of yours.

Susan Lim, before she got into trouble with the Sultan of Brunei’s sister, made more money in a year than I could muster in 5 ... or 10. The Chinese have a saying: 一山比一山高。what I make in my specialty and for my seniority is about the average others in my field and age would make. There will be others that take home heaps more, and there will be those that don’t. I don’t begrudge those who are in a more favourable financial position than I am, any more than I would patronise those who are not.

Please, don’t lose any sleep over a forum post of mine. Think what you would, how you would - it wouldn’t bother me, any more than what I stated in that post of mine should bother you.

Good night all.
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post Nov 27 2019, 12:21 AM

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give you another mirror to reflect yourself

QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 25 2019, 05:59 PM)
Why do you say I am annoyed if people do not want to learn from me ?
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 23 2019, 12:10 AM)
I don't take to heart of you hinting that I'm a wannabee. You don't know who I am. And I don't believe you are an economics student.
And you are the one who's foolish for not wanting to learn from the journey of a successful investor. Or to PROUD to learn. Or too jealous to learn.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 25 2019, 06:13 PM)
So,... where is the mention of 30Million ? YOU made it up yourself to facilitate convenience in YOUR CALCULATIONS, right ?
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 23 2019, 01:06 PM)
I was talking more abt a doc with sgd30mil earlier.
I worked hard to learn all these,... ... today, reached a level whereby I just need to read the headlines and I can do a guesstimate of what is happening outside there.
I think I outperformed many index benchmarks for many years,..
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 23 2019, 12:06 PM)
Hence, this doc may be able to accumulate 30mil in his career till today, but he must also know how to save this 30mil and not spend it all away, for he may not have learnt how to 'reproduce' more money from this 30mil. If he is to stop working, then his decumulation phase starts.
Under decumulation phase, he will have to be extra careful.
Otherwise, he can NEVER stop working. For he has never learnt to invest on his own.
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post Nov 30 2019, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 30 2019, 07:18 AM)

I’m such an amateur compared to all the gurus and their many different strategies here, and to be frank, at my stage in life, where I stand to lose a lot more than I can recover, I will never be brave enough to rebalance my portfolio -
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I am surprised with Asset >SD30 Million, passive income RM90-120k a month, active income SD300+k a month,
you still have such fear?
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 30 2019, 01:14 PM)
Everyone's risks appetite is different. if one is comfortable and contented, why need to take unnecessary risk?

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Risk appetite must be seen in perspective.

Taking a 100% risky investment out of 1% portfolio is nothing

Throw a $300-500k in the highest investment vehicle no need to blink an eye
it wont hurt a bit even if it ends in total loss.

the same cant be repeated for your ordinary Jones.
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post Dec 3 2019, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 30 2019, 02:33 PM)
Also means the potential return/profit on the 1% is similarly insignificant.
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True but for the oomph a little investment indulgence



QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 30 2019, 05:41 PM)
The $300,000 to $500,000 you mentioned may not hurt you one bit but it will me. Every dollar is 血汗钱, blood sweat and tears, and I owe it to myself and wife (and the patients that endorse and continue to support me financially) to be responsible with how I take care of it.

It’s a very conservative philosophy but it ensures that I am a good custodian of that which has been put in my charge.
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Wow so attached to it.... cant bring it to next life...


QUOTE(vanitas @ Nov 30 2019, 06:04 PM)
Isn't this gambling? With the same mindset, everyday lose 1%, you will be in trouble.
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No, unlike gambling not easy to lose them all, i mean no need waste too much time
for this portion of money, get rich quick scams excluded.
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post Dec 4 2019, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(cheefai7 @ Dec 4 2019, 09:06 AM)
Thus the definition of retirement is different, since you term your life is purpose driven yet earning sufficient, that would keep you going for 60-70++ yo and some 90yo still active in contributing. The big question is "why".
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some work to live others live to work
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QUOTE(cynthusc @ Dec 5 2019, 02:04 PM)
I think he is talking about private medical costs which is not covered by medical card because those above 70 usually cannot get medical card. My mum at 74 broke her arm and we kids paid for her surgery. Costs us close to 80K including metal plate, surgery and stays at the hospital.
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QUOTE(zstan @ Dec 5 2019, 02:11 PM)
this. my grandfather kena ruptured appendicitis, stayed in ICU and operation also more thaan 80k. No insurance coverage.
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yes very true, you still need money if going for proper treatment
unless someone thinks oh already 80 years old.........enough lah
if fall ill and treatment so expensive, forget it, no need treatment lah..
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QUOTE(limmmkb @ Jan 20 2020, 10:57 AM)
Seems like alot of you guys in this thread are much older. So I have a question to seek out your experiences.

Say you had in today's terms a modest figure of RM2mil worth of assets and 2 kids who are already adult and working. (RM2m is net asset position) You are at the age of 50.

What would be your ideal asset mix of that RM2m?

Just wanna hear your opinions as well, cause ive been hearing so many opinions im starting to think some of them are bias smile.gif


Hmm i think i didnt get my point across in the right way, like everyone has different level of expenses and lifestyle choices..
But with RM2m, what do you target to achieve as annual return and how would u do it smile.gif.. i think this is more accurate of what i want to ask...
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Just try to earn as much return as you can from the 2M
You decide how much return you want and select:

FD 4-4.85%
Amanah Saham Fixed Price 5-6%
KWSP 5-6%
Unit Trusts 6-9% but warning can negative!
Bonds 6-7%, warning can default
Properties 6-12% on rentals(low end props), with capital appreciation even more, safe wont die
FOREX 30% can lose all dont cry
Ah Long /Gambling 100-300% be prepared to run if pass 1-2 cycles, going on longer sure to die
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post Jun 12 2020, 12:01 AM

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if one has huge income and savings there is nothing to worry about investment returns no matter how low, even 1% return on 100M is already $83+k passive income a month...just how much do we need we cant bring to next world

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