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post Aug 7 2018, 01:30 AM

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So easy make millions meh..
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post Aug 18 2018, 03:50 PM

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Once the wages goes up the lifestyle follows, thats probably the same with almost everyone.

Some ppl want to work. Rather than have to work.
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post Aug 23 2018, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Aug 23 2018, 03:17 PM)
His risk is too concentrated....

Nowadays with internet, we can invest way wider and further. Our portfolio should be very diversified and spread the risk, like :

1. Different industry and sector (financial, tech, food, infrastructure, property, etc)
2. Different instrument (shares, ETF, bonds, money market, precious metal, mutual funds, etc)
3. Different geography (countries, hence forex)
4. Different capitalization (small, medium and large companies)
5. Different aggressiveness (growth, income, low yield, value)

I always think that we should have a balanced portfolio. Even for retiree, it may not necessarily be a good thing to invest everything in low risk low return investment. Like 100% in FD. Because even FD has its risk. What if RM FD return becomes like USD interest rates (close to zero) ? We used to have FD rates close to 8% in late 1990s. But it has decreased so much since. Even now, RM FD is getting close to zero real returns (ie after inflation). Also, if we only have RM FD, what if one day malaysia becomes Greece or Venezuela ? So it is always good to spread the risk and have a balanced portfolio
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The gfc brought down all sectors. Malaysia will nvr become greece or venezuela.

Despite all the negative press, many parts of the government have been protected agaisnt capital flight. While oil is still important. It doesnt play as ative a part as last time.

Oil is only about 20% of the economy. The country is diversified enough that it is not subject to fluctuations in oil. Unlike venezuela.

There r alot of parts of the economy protected, we r not exposed to foreign currency risk as we have large forex reserves. And say what u will about capital controls. The limited form of capital controls malaysia practices prevents these types of crisises like what turkey is facing.

I think the key is to get some knowledge on companies and investing. Also to have some cash so the crashes become opportunities.

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post Aug 23 2018, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Aug 23 2018, 03:59 PM)
I have gone through a few rounds of crashes. 1987, 1994, 1998, 2008.

Since 2008, there is no serious crash. That is when most of the youngsters born in 80s and 90s started to invest. And they never been through the plight of a crash. Some talked very big like investment guru  biggrin.gif So much confidence backed with numbers, charts and theories....

Until they experience their first crash, then I am sure they will learn what is risk and returns.

Same thing happened to Greece and Venezuela. Before the crisis, nobody would have thought the country would go bankrupt. There were 101 theories to back up stability of the economy. But you can see what happened to them now...

And look at Gary’s friend who only invest in Aussie banks. A big chunk of portfolio was gone

Diversification is the universally accepted practice to mitigate investment risk. Because there is no certainty in investment world. Anything could happen. And usually they catch you by surprise. By that time, it would be too late for you to do anything.
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U r the guy who got caught in the property downturn and have been arguing with icy for 3 years +. All the while property prices have come down. U lose a lot of credibility in my eyes.

Just so u know. Bank of australia at its peak in 2008 was trading at aud 61. Today it is at aud 72 and paying a 6% dividend. So nobody was wiped out unless they sold.

I started learning investment in 2007. Waiting for a crash that did happen and thinking how ridiculous it is that a company with net cash higher than their market cap. Trading at 5 times earnings paying a 4% dividend was trading so low.

The cos name is mfcb, and it was trading at 90 cents.

Edit: u have no idea how much better malaysia stands vis a vis some of the other countries. Now najib is out of the picture the skies are better.


Almost 100% of venezuelas economy is reliant on oil. It was a matter of time before they went bust. Greece almost went down because they were cooking their books.

Malaysia might have gone down the same path, but our Mahathir managed to bring down najib. 1mdb is thankfully. One of its only species of corruption introduced by our ex pm.

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post Aug 23 2018, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Aug 23 2018, 04:41 PM)
I have invested in property since ~30 years ago. To the contrary, the property price has gone up tremendously. Maybe I have better luck ?  biggrin.gif

May I ask what has my credibility got to do here ? In a forum, my point of view is more important than credibility. If it makes sense, that is the thing a reader can take away. If my point of view doesn’t make sense, even if I am the most credible person in the world, how would you benefit from it ?

Sorry I cannot remember, did I said something bad about you previously ? Just curious....
Bank of Australia ? Never heard of it

You must be talking about Commonwealth Bank of Australia  biggrin.gif

Gary was telling you a real life story. His good friend loss million of dollar by holding substantial shareholdings in banking sector during the financial crisis.

My main holdings are in asx and us. I have nothing in malaysia.

I don’t understand what are you trying to get to....are you trying to prove his friend did the wrong thing by selling the shares ?
Diversification is trying to address the issue of “what if something goes wrong”

Even if a country’s economy is extremely sound, there are also benefits to diversify to other countries.

Just look at the thread in this forum. There are SGX, ASX, US stock, ETFs etc. Forummers here do diversify. They don’t put all their eggs in one basket.

However, if you feel that your investment objective is to invest in only Malaysia, that is entirely up to you. Nobody here can stop you. Everybody has his own choice and preference.
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Ur obviously someone with too much time. Unlike some of the other forumers, i wont engage with u. My point being that based on ur past comments u seem to have taken quite a hit. Investment wise.

But instead of being humble about it ur trying push this holier than thou attitude agaisnt ppl with an opposing view.

Anyway, are u FIRE? If not... at ur age, i wish u the very best.

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post Aug 23 2018, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Aug 23 2018, 05:49 PM)
Yes, I have a lot of free time. I am an unker close to 60 years old....

I thought you know me well enough if you have followed closely those BBB DDD thread in Kopitiam ? BTW you know the rules here is not like in kopitiam forum right ?

Oh...appreciate it if you won’t engage with me. Seems that you forgot that just a few hours ago, you are the one who initiate it. I did nothing and suddenly out of nowhere, I got some weird opinion on my personality  biggrin.gif
“Humble” ? “ur trying push this holier than thou attitude...” ?

Bro, since when is my post so imposing ? I did not point a gun at your head to accept my view. I am just sharing my view and experience. I never claim my view is gospel. If you feel my writing is not humble until it is offending you, you can always choose not to read  biggrin.gif

There is an ignore button down there if you press my username FYI. If you really hate what I said, feel free to press the button. I also don’t want you in the future suddenly appear in a thread to accuse me I have “no credibility”, “not humble” etc

Make sure you press the button.....Goodbye !
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Anyway, i rest my case. Unlike some other forumers, im not biting. Best of luck to u.
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post Aug 23 2018, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Aug 23 2018, 06:28 PM)
Thanks bro for the wishing....appreciate it...

I can’t help but to do a search on your posting....hope you don’t mind me asking here....

Do you still feel when reading forummers’ post here, inadvertently you relate the post is directing to you in a negative manner ? It seems that you said so in this thread
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4600862/+300 Starting from post #308

You may be too sensitive, bro....
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My networth is about rm1.5mil. Im turning 31 this september.
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post Aug 23 2018, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Aug 23 2018, 07:18 PM)
Bro, not asking about the second sentence. But your first sentence....

Forgive me because I am more kuailow style very direct one....can I ask you a few question ? if you don’t want to answer, it’s ok.....

1. Do you sometimes think that others are trying to insult you ? You may hear a person say one thing, but you think that they mean something else ?

2. Do you sometimes think that certain people are trying to make you look bad to others ? You may react by getting angry or attacking them back ? You may also believe that your reputation is being threatened ?

3. You sometimes think other people will harm, trick, or take advantage of you ?

4. You often hold grudges against people who you believe have done something bad to you. You believe that the actions were done to hurt you, and you cannot forgive the people who did them. You may see people as your enemies, and want to get back at them.

As said, just ignore me if you don’t feel like answering. No offense ya....
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U r very clearly, trying to get a rise out of me. I think this is not ur first time arguing with ppl online. I used to like arguing. If u r so particular that u look at my past posts im sure u can see this.

I dont know ur financial situation, but maybe u should work on ur retirement.... rather than trolling someone 30 years younger than u.
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post Aug 23 2018, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Aug 23 2018, 07:41 PM)
Ok bro....I got all your answer for Q1, 2, 3 and 4

If you want to know more, shoot me a pm.....I may able able to help...this is a sincere offer, not trolling...

Good luck, bro !
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Good job derailing the thread. All those episodes arguing about god knows what must have given u an appetite for this type of nonsense.

How old r u btw? 65?

Some ppl only grow old.
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post Aug 23 2018, 08:04 PM

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Im not sure retiring is all what its cut out to be. I think it would get boring even if u r financially free.
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post Sep 23 2018, 01:01 AM

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Isnt showtime the one instigating other people over disagreements? What type of hypocrisy is this?

Anyway, not to derail the thread, i think its important to keep striving for something. To all the ppl who have FIRE, power to them. Personally i believe that is just a beginning, rather than an endpost.

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post Sep 23 2018, 02:33 PM

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All this talk about FIRE, but at what amount can someone say that they are FIRE? This is especially true for the people where there is a chance of money running out. There has to be a minimum amount.

Ive made some money, and although i can say at the moment i have not much constraints, but i do not think i am anywhere near what i would be comfortable with, having said that, realistically speaking. Many people do not have such financial stability.

On a personal level, i do not feel frugal, however i dont have the expensive taste most people do. I dont splurge much.

Is rm2million enough? Rm5million? Rm10million?

Realistically speaking, how many people have achieved such success? I know many have, but most havent.

How much can a person comfortably have and say, i can do whatever i want. I no longer have money worries.

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post Sep 23 2018, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 23 2018, 06:12 PM)
Good question, which many non-financial savvy people will ask.

My way of calculation is not to touch the principal. Then :

1. Determine the amount needed for your own retirement budget
3. Determine which rate of return you can generate
4. Work backward to get the required amount

Eg.

1. Monthly expenses is RM8k, so yearly is RM96k. Let's round up to RM100k per year
2. Let's say a person is comfortable to make 5% pa net of tax and expenses from investment vehicle of his choice
3. Therefore, the amount of nest egg required will be RM100k / 5% = RM2m 

With principal untouched, then the retiree will have no pressure to live to any age. Many retirees eat into the nest egg to live, which makes him the longer he live, the more  worries he will finish up his money
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The rm2million will have to be liquid assets, and not including residence.
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post Sep 24 2018, 01:32 PM

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The more money that can be saved and prepared for investment opportunities the earlier, the faster FIRE can be reached.

Whether this pocket of funds comes from controlling expenses or increasing income is secondary. As many opportunities come by, if there r no funds, u r just a spectator.

Rather than having a specific amount, learning when to pull the trigger and preparing. That will bring FIRE.


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post Sep 24 2018, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Sep 24 2018, 02:28 PM)
"Pull the trigger" implies big sporadic bets either in stocks or property etc? Not neccasarily have to "pull the trigger" .... slow and steady over the years of saving and investing can work too..
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Each to his own, but imagine there is a major drop in the stock or property market,, would u want to have a pool of funds to take advantage of the opportunity?

A partial exposure while having cash to take advantage of opportunities is the best way forward, but that is just my opinion.
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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Dec 19 2018, 06:47 PM)
so what u trying to say by travelling,
u have higher chances to get the job and more sound decision making related to investment?
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It broadens ur horizons and gives u a wider view of the world. This helps in everything. Of course this is assuming u r a travelling person.
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post Feb 14 2019, 11:47 PM

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All this talk about being frugal. Personally I feel that not enough focus is being talked about upping ur income.

Although both of them are important. It is a balance. If u arent earning enough it doesnt matter how much % u save.

But savings are the things that allow u to invest and become financially free.

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