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cheefai7
post Aug 14 2018, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Aug 13 2018, 08:59 AM)
My friends and relatives are all saying that i am stupid to give up a very cushy job at 57. Actually it is now 10.30am in Sydney and i just got in to work and i am very free at work which is why i am writing now. I would normally have nothing much to do so i just walk around the office chatting with other staff. I then would go for a 1-hour walk down to Glebe Point Bay (my office is very close to the bay) and then i would have my lunch in my room (i have my own room which can sit 2 persons but we don't need a second person). I would normally go home around 4pm so my day goes by quite slowly as most of the time i am surfing the net and bored. My package is pretty good with my base a little over a A$100k and my employer pays my defined-benefit super (epf) of about A$25-26k after-tax so my package is actually in excess of A$130k+ because of my employer contribution being tax-free. I am hoping they would give me redundancy which would give me an extra A$150-200k but i don't think they will because they need someone in this building.

The other problem i have is my relatives are saying that i am stupid to come back to KL to live because everyone in KL is migrating overseas and I am returning. Aust has probably the best old-age pension in the world where at the age of 67, you get an automatic pension of A$700/wk for couples if your retirement assets are not over A$400k (the house that you are living in is not counted as an asset as you need somewhere to live). This is one of the best pension in the world and is available to everyone who is either a PR or citizen. It is a safety net just in case our retirement investments plunges. If your retirement savings are between A$400-800k, you get a pro-rata rate of the A$700/wk. You don't get the pension if your retirement assets exceed A$800k. My wife and i probably will not qualify as we are over that A$800k but it is a good safety net to have as you can't predict stockmarket movements.
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Maybe considering contributing back to the community of Malaysia, especially helping youth or young's in your vast working experience/specialization. I believed it will give you more fulfillment than your last employment.
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post Aug 23 2018, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Aug 22 2018, 01:22 PM)
If you need help with problems in the house, you are in big trouble in Sydney!! Plumbers charge A$100 just to step in your house during work hours 8am-5pm Mon-Sat. An easy 15 min job can easily cost A$300. The plumbers are usually quite smart -  they slowly change whatever they need to so that it looks very time-consuming so they can charge more. I had a Msian friend who needed his garden dug up because the pipe under the garden was cracked. 2 plumbers came and quoted him A$7500 cheapest for the 2-day job!! That is why you better pray that it is a small job when a trades person turn up at your place (a lot of times they don't even turn up and you had to take time off work!). We learn how to do simple things like changing tap gasket so we can save a bit of money. A lot of my friends change their own lubricant oil/filter esp those who have a few cars. Labor is ridiculously expensive as most trades persons charge about $120-180/hr for their services. That is why i like so much about Msia - the labour is so cheap! Do you know that in a recent report, it quoted Sydney cars are the dirtiest in the world and you know why? It is because the cheapest car wash (wash exterior only) is more than A$25 where i live. What can you do when min wage is more than A$20/hr (incl super). Good for workers and not good for the consumer.
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About the dirtiest car part, I have to agree, during my travel to Perth, I thought Aussie weather are dry, windy and duty, thus the dirty car, or the Aussie are born adventurous to roam the outback, so don't bother to clean the car. That until one day, I walk passed a car wash shop and the washing is $20A... Malaysia only RM15 with washing, vacuuming and deodorizing.
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post Aug 23 2018, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Aug 23 2018, 09:44 AM)
In Sydney, car wash is a luxury. If you want to do interior and exterior, you are looking at about A$50. It is because labour is so expensive!!
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Looking at another perspective is, people is being well paid, thus low in thief and robbery, educated and good civil. To save cost, go for robotic automation or diy.
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post Aug 23 2018, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 23 2018, 09:44 AM)
in Msia, the minimum wage is about RM35 per day
thus RM15 is about 1/2 day salary

In Australia, $20A is about how many hours pay of a minimun pay salaried worker?
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I think Australia minimum wage is about $20A per hour.
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post Nov 29 2019, 11:52 AM

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Thank you for your sharing. It has been long time since the last good read in this thread. Nevertheless, some key point that I learnt:

1) Avoid debt at all cost
2) Live below means
3) Be the very best in working on the active income
4) Try to very best to manage the wealth

Hope to see more on the "giving" part as well.

This post has been edited by cheefai7: Nov 29 2019, 11:53 AM
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post Nov 29 2019, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 29 2019, 01:23 PM)
Hello cheefai7,

Thank you for the kind words. I understand those points I listed out are not applicable for everyone, but they worked well for my wife and me, so I thought I'd share them in the spirit of this forum.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "giving" part - but, if you're referring to charity, then my wife is a regular/registered donor/sponsor of the Hospice Association, and I am a regular/registered donor with the Lion's foundation. I believe in giving back to causes that matter to us - and we'll all grow old and sick and pass away, so these 2 charities are close to our hearts.
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Yes, I pretty much agree on the giving part, not just money, but time, knowledge, resource and energy.

Mind if I ask, have you ever use leverage to build your current wealth? Since no debt was mentioned numerous time, especially when building the real estate/property section.

Thank you for your sharing.
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post Nov 29 2019, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 29 2019, 03:21 PM)
hmm.gif some would argue that a reasonable valued ownstay property loan or a business expansion loan are debt that contradict your point 1
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Everyone has different view on debt. Like hksgmy he would stay on course of plowing that mortgages with prepayment in mind, its a longer term strategy opposing to the property guru with leverage max with minimal capital outlay and installment and game on the capital gain at the shortest time possible.

QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 29 2019, 03:29 PM)
Ah, you mean contributing here? I’m just an amateur in terms of investment strategies, and I defer to the knowledge and experience of the forum users here with far more practice and wisdom.

And to answer your question, no. We’ve never leveraged on our investments but obviously we had to take loans for our Singapore properties purchases. We did as much capital prepayments as contractually allowed and paid off the mortgages at the earliest opportunity. So, we’ve been debt free since 40 years of age.

As I mentioned, my wife and I are not a typical case. We are both professionals earning a very respectable income each (hers isn’t anything to scoff at either) and her income alone is more than enough to sustain our annual expenditures and multiple holiday trips overseas - the latter being the most expensive expense item on our outgoings. We also agreed early on in our marriage that we did not want children (because I didn’t think we could be good parents and still give 110% at at careers - it’s a lifestyle choice and a decision that we arrived at with much soul searching: 30 years later, we still have no regrets whatsoever).

My philosophy is simple - a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, every penny saved is a penny earned. Leverage can unravel too quickly. Margin trading can inflict crippling burns in the blink of an eye. Those strategies are for braver people with wills of steel and courage of lions.
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That would broadly representing the majority of the self-made millionaires without fancy investment tool, which everyone can do, but not everyone can practice the delay gratification that you have done in your past experience.

Great inspiration as to myself also in the route of pairing down my mortgage and incurring no more consumer debt, before the year of 40.
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post Nov 29 2019, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 29 2019, 04:15 PM)
Property guru are mostly snake oil seller.
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So does hifi company selling cables to the audiophiles. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Dec 3 2019, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 30 2019, 05:41 PM)
The $300,000 to $500,000 you mentioned may not hurt you one bit but it will me. Every dollar is 血汗钱, blood sweat and tears, and I owe it to myself and wife (and the patients that endorse and continue to support me financially) to be responsible with how I take care of it.

It’s a very conservative philosophy but it ensures that I am a good custodian of that which has been put in my charge.
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Maslow's hierarchy of needs. When earning more doesn't matter and doesn't excite you. Like your example of doctor on high margin call, they fall to the lower tier of needs. Thus for the best of your patients, your are consistently at stete of "self-actualization". Thus for those who render care as their profession, nursing, teacher and caregiver to be paid reasonably.

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post Dec 4 2019, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 4 2019, 08:31 AM)
It would be normal retirement.  smile.gif 
With financial independence.

Early retirement would be too unfulfilling, especially with children.
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Early retire from unfulfilling day job and working on project that excites and still able to feed the children and continuous multi stream of incomes.
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post Dec 4 2019, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Dec 3 2019, 07:53 PM)
Thanks for asking. I don’t have many plans but here are some of my die-die also “must do” items:

1. My wife and I have been together for nearly 30 years but we’ve both been so busy with our careers that we need to take time to spend with each other before we’re too old to enjoy time together. We’ve practiced delayed gratification for a lot of material things while I was studying for my specialty, and later while we were building up our respective careers and accumulating wealth. I believe it’s time to consider “cashing out” and enjoying the fruits of our labour. Our house in Sydney is by the water. I can imagine taking nice morning walks from the house to the bay and just enjoying each other’s company

2. I want to resume writing. Before I started my career in medicine, I was already writing and getting my works printed - initially in school magazines and such, but after I began my career as a junior doctor, I started writing about my patients especially those that have left an indelible impression on me with their courage and serenity and grace in the face of their illnesses and even death. Those stories have been picked up by national magazines and been published ad hoc. But I still have many more stories to write and right now, I just don’t have time to do so. Retirement will give me the time to pay proper tribute to my patients in the way I do best.

3. Explore Australia. Really explore Australia. This will take us off the beaten track and this is a huge country - I reckon that’ll take us a good few years to do.

4. Continue travelling and seeing the world.

That’s about it for now. I’m sure more ideas will pop up in due time as we get closer to the permanent move.
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#2 would be the way to go for purpose driven life, by the time the working on the book, publishing and promoting the book might keep you going
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post Dec 4 2019, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 4 2019, 09:03 AM)
My job is exciting with lots of new projects to work on.  smile.gif
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Thus the definition of retirement is different, since you term your life is purpose driven yet earning sufficient, that would keep you going for 60-70++ yo and some 90yo still active in contributing. The big question is "why".
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post Dec 10 2019, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Dec 9 2019, 11:17 PM)
Your extremely kind words are much appreciated. We’ve worked hard all our lives, my wife and I, and we’ve obviously had to sacrifice a great many things - chiefly time together with each other - and it’s my hope that we’ll be able to retire gracefully and learn to rediscover many of the things we’ve lost along the way before our bodies are too old and frail to enjoy the discoveries.

2 years and counting.
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If you would be able to turn back time, will you be recovering the things that you have lost "along the way" in the span of the working lifetime? I know life shouldn't be working that way, but I have witness someone close left for critical illnesses and about the same age (mid 30), he is one the person I know that work very hard, in fact too hard has to compromise on health and family.
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post Dec 10 2019, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(limmmkb @ Dec 10 2019, 11:59 AM)
Seems like alot of you guys in this thread are much older. So I have a question to seek out your experiences.

Say you had in today's terms a modest figure of RM2mil worth of assets and 2 kids who are already adult and working. (RM2m is net asset position) You are at the age of 50.

What would be your ideal asset mix of that RM2m?

Just wanna hear your opinions as well, cause ive been hearing so many opinions im starting to think some of them are bias smile.gif
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If fast forward today I am 50yo and today's money of 2mil, I would have this mix

40% EPF
20% Own stay Home
10% Equity based ETF, Funds
5% Cash, Money Market
5% Risky portfolio - P2P, Crowd Funding

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post Apr 21 2020, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Apr 21 2020, 07:57 AM)
So much has changed in the world since November 2019. Barely 1/2 a year ago, the world was a different place compared to the present state where COVID19 dominates the headlines nearly as frequently as how oil has plunged...

Having said that, some basic principles that were brought up during our discussion have been brought back into sharp focus - and I’m so so glad that leverage was a dirty word for me back then, for that attitude had saved me from a lot of pain and heartbreak that might have occurred otherwise.

I managed to pick up good quality bonds at distressed prices because other highly leveraged people were made to sell at a loss to make good their margin calls.
And again, the fear of mortgages my wife and I exhibited have proven to be a conservative life saver. We just received a letter from the master tenant that we let a number of units of ours to:

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I’m glad none of those suites and units have mortgage repayments due. We’ll sit tight and weather the storm and wait for the eventual recovery.

May I just wish and pray that all of your investments are safe, and your incomes intact, in these difficult times - and stay safe, my friends!
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Thank you for taking your time to reply this message to me, really appreciated it. I am too in the verge of clearing out my last debt of my family portfolio, the mortgage. However, at this time of age with my wife's income reduced due to COVID-19, making me hesitate whether to push forward with the extra cash from annual bonus to being used in mortgage prepayment. Also taking this opportunity to launch some passion project with a partner, which currently generating positive income and making ways to grow and scale it. As for the investment portfolio, indeed there are tenant that not able to make up to the rent, probably will decided to help out by waiving it..

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