Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 FI/RE - Financial Independence / Retire Early, Share your experience

views
     
beLIEve
post Feb 18 2019, 04:37 AM

三軍都督
*******
Senior Member
7,814 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jan 25 2019, 02:30 PM)
NOW, i need to make ONE LAST decision in either below two option >>

option A, take up a 10yrs mortgage loan of 580K@4.45%pa for a 730K DSL (3rd property); pay 6000/mthx12x10yrs = 720K+(730K-580K) = 870K ;OR

option B, pay ownself (in fd@4%) 6000/mthx12x10yrs

for option A, loan just approved last week, that why need to decide soon.

I wish to hear from the sifu, specially FIRE sifus here, is it wise to tie myself at 45 (tail-end employment age) to this next 10yrs mortgage commitment, or just pay ownself (option B), particularly at current property market
*
QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jan 25 2019, 04:47 PM)
No, not depending on rental income.
Correct it won't run empty, if ONLY annual %/dividends are withdrawn as annual retirement expenses.

my case, i take 1st yrs retirement expenses to be 70% of projected last drawn salary & projected fund size at age 56

age 56; 1st year 10,500/mthx12=126,000pa (with 3% inflation per year) against initial fund projection 2,250,000@4%= only 90,000

so, kena mati age 75 unless i take 90,000/12=7500 pm (1st year)

just my 2cents
*
QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jan 25 2019, 04:58 PM)
that is what makes me undecided lo.. confused.gif
*
Not sifu and maybe my answer is too late by now. But what I've learned

option B, pay ownself (in fd@4%) 6000/mthx12x10yrs <<<<< Do you mean you cash out your FD to pay?

If you don't mind paying a bit extra, Option A sounds good.

Promotional FDs are between 4.2%-4.3% (banks with PIDM. Banks without PIDM are paying even higher) and some are paid monthly, giving a compounding interest of 4.28%-4.38%. So you lose about 0.1% interest to banks (and some legal/stamping fees) BUT save a lot from paying taxes from your rental income.

Other alternatives are dumping more money into EPF (but your money will be stuck until you have $1m or retire) or ASNB unit trust (see the ASNB thread).

QUOTE(shodan11 @ Feb 16 2019, 09:55 PM)
It pains me to see those RM 15 coffee drinks.
*
It pains me even more when people ridicule me for not spending such money. Or maybe not. I just feel that they're annoying.....

This post has been edited by beLIEve: Feb 18 2019, 04:43 AM
beLIEve
post Feb 18 2019, 10:45 AM

三軍都督
*******
Senior Member
7,814 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(ClarenceT @ Feb 18 2019, 07:52 AM)
10 years later, I don't think you will get 3-4% FD rate (maybe 1-2% only) as mortgage rate may be at 3-4% only. We are moving into a developed nation.
*
unless "developed nation" is defined by some numbers, I don't think we can ever be a developed nation. not in this lifetime.
beLIEve
post Feb 19 2019, 12:13 PM

三軍都督
*******
Senior Member
7,814 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(jojolicia @ Feb 19 2019, 11:37 AM)
Thanks for your inputs.. i have dropped option A (3rd prop) this time, intend to look/see, gut feeling is telling me >> can scoop better bargain in property market coming Yr 19/20
*
you're welcome.

Drop option A or drop the entire plan to buy that property?

I just happened to research about housing loan rate and i think you're probably better off taking a loan and keep your extra cash in promotional FD or ASNB's ASM1, ASM2, or ASM3. Difference between loan and promo FD is like 0.1%-0.5%
beLIEve
post Aug 9 2019, 11:58 AM

三軍都督
*******
Senior Member
7,814 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019...a-day-for-years

QUOTE
A WOMAN in Japan who spent no more than 153 yen (RM6) a day for the past 16 years has achieved her dream of retiring before her 35th birthday, Oriental Daily reported.

The 34-year-old woman, known only as Xiao, reportedly has never bought new clothes since she was 18, choosing to wear only hand-me-downs.

It was also reported that she spent only 25 yen (RM1) on udon noodles for dinner every night.

Her frugality has allowed her to save enough to acquire three houses in under two decades, which cost a total of 55 million yen (RM2.17mil).

Xiao is now living on a monthly income of 300, 000 yen (RM11, 861) from rent.

“Save your energy and money for something you love; only then, can one be said to be responsible for one’s own life, ” she said.


beLIEve
post Sep 19 2019, 02:20 PM

三軍都督
*******
Senior Member
7,814 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Sep 18 2019, 04:12 PM)
I have observed folks taking impulse holidays and applying no control to their spending (imagine an impromptu five day trip to Japan for two on business class tickets, staying in a five star hotel, and going everywhere in a taxi, all just for the sake of impressive a girl. RM50K gone just like that.... very irresponsible spending).
*
Uncontrollable spending is not as easy as it gets condemned. It takes 2 to control the spending. Most of the time, 1 wants control, another wants no control. Imagine a married couple. Eventually, one will have to give way to the other, and unlimited spending it will be, or all hell breaks loose back home.
beLIEve
post Sep 19 2019, 02:43 PM

三軍都督
*******
Senior Member
7,814 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(Win Win Inspiration @ Sep 19 2019, 02:27 PM)
This is why getting a common agreement (on financial management topic, and, of course many other important life topics) prior to the marriage is of utmost importance.

It is highly advisable to have the other half that is sharing the common idea on financial management, this is an important factor to keep the marriage happy. smile.gif
*
haha. easier said than done. if cannot agree, split? or verbally agree, but back to unlimited spending after marriage?


beLIEve
post Sep 19 2019, 03:31 PM

三軍都督
*******
Senior Member
7,814 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(Win Win Inspiration @ Sep 19 2019, 02:50 PM)
It is advisable to first discuss about this even before getting into a relationship, but I fully agree with you, easier said than done.  biggrin.gif  tongue.gif
*
that would give the impression that you are stingy. that's the reason I said easier said than done.

unless happen to find someone with same thinking loh. then no need discuss.
beLIEve
post Sep 19 2019, 03:42 PM

三軍都督
*******
Senior Member
7,814 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(Win Win Inspiration @ Sep 19 2019, 03:36 PM)
You are right friend, this kind of conversation and discussion needs to be handled with care.
Yes the best is to marry someone with the same thinking and mindset.
*
then have to find on forum.lowyat.net already. Haven't come across fe/male outside with such thinking. haha.


This post has been edited by beLIEve: Sep 19 2019, 03:51 PM
beLIEve
post Sep 19 2019, 03:54 PM

三軍都督
*******
Senior Member
7,814 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(Win Win Inspiration @ Sep 19 2019, 03:49 PM)
Hahaha! Like how you "coin the term".
However, to be impartial and fair, I do know of some girls and ladies whom are truly good at managing their finances, they are frugal, they live within their means, and they learn how to invest, and they are not into branded material things. smile.gif
*
ahhhhh I haven't come across those that reached branded materials yet. I'm at a lower league. people at my league just spend as much as possible only.

see, most people will say, not asking you to spend everything, keep a bit, spend a bit, etc etc. But when they get FIRED (as in, executed aka 處斬) or about to, they start shitting bricks.
beLIEve
post Sep 19 2019, 10:22 PM

三軍都督
*******
Senior Member
7,814 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(neverfap @ Sep 19 2019, 04:44 PM)
Recently went to a gathering with sec school classmates. I just randomly say we have to save at least 10% (wanted to say more but I think it's quite impossible for most) of our income since epf already helped us with 20%+. One dude just reply with "it's easier to say than done"

Well, if we spend less on the fancy milk tea and luxury hotpot then I think its possible. In fact, can save even more than 10%. (unless salary 5 to 6 figures)

We Malaysian mostly are earning a third world country income and living a first world country lifestyle.
*
yalah. if you don't tag along, you'll be the odd one out. not cool. when bad times come, you also the odd one out.

10% is very little. got ask why easier said than done ah? starting pay nowadays is like above 3k rite? if no house to pay, easily can save 1k. if no car to pay, 1.5k also 絕非難事
beLIEve
post Sep 29 2019, 10:38 PM

三軍都督
*******
Senior Member
7,814 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


maybe not a scam. i'm not buying in, as I rather earn less than having to do validate some people who claim they're good.

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...lus-ai-approach

https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments...ing_fund_is_it/

normally people lose principal because trying to beat the market
beLIEve
post Sep 29 2019, 11:49 PM

三軍都督
*******
Senior Member
7,814 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 29 2019, 11:37 PM)
If this fund manager is as good as claim; temasek holdings would be have placed hundred of millions if not billion of USD with them.
*
haha that's true. Oh yeah, no one really knows what's going on inside until it's too late.

Temasek? They'll probably hire him instead.

Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.4973sec    0.56    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 30th November 2025 - 12:19 AM