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 FI/RE - Financial Independence / Retire Early, Share your experience

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ChessRook
post Aug 18 2018, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(chonghe @ Aug 16 2018, 09:12 PM)
Wanted to share my opinion on debts. A lot of people want to be debt free, because debt free is free from worries etc.

This is not entirely through in my opinion. While in the process of getting FIRE, taking debt can speed up the process, if manage properly. Yea debt free is good after you reach getting old or after you have the ability to FIRE. While still

I used to thought I need to be debt free at all time so that I don't have to worry about it. Now I realise that having a manageable amount of debt can be beneficial. For example:

i) Using credit card effectively to manage cash flow. This also includes the use of 0% balance transfer to spread out the payment over a longer period of time.
ii) Some loans like hire purchase repayment already calculate the interest till the end, so I find it no point to pay off it earlier (although pay off earlier will get some discount, not much).
iii) Share margin financing is such a great tool to borrow money at a low interest rate. Be sure to only buy good counter with SMF
iv) Some will refinance the house to cash out since the mortgage loan is only ~4.5%.

Things like that can help us along the way to achieve FIRE. The cash obtained from the above can be used as you like, e.g., investment

I wish to stress that the debt must be manageable and within your control to make it beneficial. Using debt is like a small leverage of your asset and it is a two-edge sword, if used improperly will bring terrible outcome

Feel free to discuss
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What if one loses their job and their spouse fell into chronic care which requires lots of $$$ for treatment at about the same time. Bad luck can happen and that debt can put more pressure. I am not meaning to bash you but just the situation of someone I know.
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post Aug 18 2018, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(chonghe @ Aug 18 2018, 09:00 PM)
For illness part - this is why exactly we need insurance. Insurance is crucial in financial management, it helps to avoid large spending on medical treatments. Without insurance it is quite common to find someone who has lots of saving only to find it gives to the doctors

As for losing job, if finance is managed well, there is usually a few months of backup fund to prepare for this situation.
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Yes insurance and well budget can prepare but you can't discount the fact that debt adds an element of risk into the equation.
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post Sep 11 2018, 01:59 PM

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This FiRe is very personal. Depends on how one defines Fi and Re, each could end up a different and yet still reasonable answer.

For myself, I have two daughters, and a wife who likes to spend. So i have much given up on the Re part. I am planning to retire at about 67-70 depending on the financial and medical situation of the family. I am very happy with my job and i am not sure what I want to do full time. Maybe volunteering? Or scale back my current job into part time? All these questions can only be answered by myself.

For Fi, I have paid all my debts and have some money for emergency funds and long term investments. Does this meet the definition of FI? I still need to work to support my 3 dependents. If i am only single, i can Re pretty much in 4-5 more years of working.

I believe the FiRe question depends on the situation, priority and personal choices. Not many people can do FiRe nor should they.
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post Sep 11 2018, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(tippman @ Sep 11 2018, 02:02 PM)
Nice to have all the debts pay off. Does your company allow you to continue working after retirement age? (60 for Malaysia) I assume you are working in Malaysia.
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It is by contract for 1-3 years. Contract renewal subject to performance whatever that means
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post Sep 14 2018, 07:08 AM

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If you guys plan to RE, what would you do, instead? Travel? Part-time work? Volunteering in a charity? Join NGO?
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post Feb 19 2019, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(missfarren @ Feb 19 2019, 12:21 PM)
if this case, is this good?

cars:

bmw 3 series 4 years old (fully paid off)

honda civic ketam 2 years (bought cash)

House : Loan rm400K to go (will settle in 5 years by paying extra)

other commitments : rm2.5K pm
Monthly no savings as all dump into house  (about rm8k per month)

Other passive income : rm3000 per month (accumulating) - in asnb cash rm600k

Expected epf in 15 years : 3.8mil
Summary cash in 15 years including saving : Approx rm5 mil in total with house fully paid off

cars might come n go as need to change every 10 years
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Well from your Assets, Liabilities and a bit of expenses you listed. It looks good. But I hope you also have some risk minimisation in place in case of unexpected events.



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