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post Feb 20 2019, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(real55555 @ Feb 20 2019, 12:34 PM)
Apologies if this has been mentioned because only come across this thread today and cannot read all 43 pages of it.

By hard saving your salary/income to achieve FIRE early, there are definitely sacrifices to be made. A lot of our spendings are actually unneccesary spending.

Do you need Iphone X when your Iphone 5 is still working well? Do you need to use Michelin tyres when ChingChong China tyres at half the price can do the job? Do you need to wear Nike when Bata cost only 30% of the price you paid for a Nike shoes? Do you need to go travelling when it doesn't do you harm if you doesn't go?

First thing, it all comes down to personal preferences. If you can sacrifice these and still feel very comfortable about it, then just do it. If not, then you need to evaluate which one you need to go for and which one to forfeit.

For me, I cannot forfeit all lifestyle spendings as I feel I would regret in future, especially travelling. I am young now and still able to walk for whole day without any problem, able to go for solo trips or trip with partner, nothing to stop me from travelling except limited funds. But in future circumstances could be different. Could be kids - need taking care of, physical limitations - as we grow older our physical conditions naturally deteriorate, partner limitations - physical or lifestyle commitments, location limitations - climate change, war, environment etc)

And of course the downside to this is that if we are to go for FIRE, it would definitely have a severe impact on the time frame of it, or even the outcome of it.

Having said all these, it still comes down to personal preferences. If one feel that retiring at 40 years old is what they really want, by all means all sacrifices made now is worth it. The key is to consider carefully and have no regrets in future.
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I only learned about FIRE through this forum, which was about a couple of months ago. Strangely enough, I've been practicing this concept for the last 12 years without knowing its called FIRE.

I can understand that you cannot forfeit all lifestyle spendings. I only have 1 guilty pleasure, which is traveling.

While I save most of my monthly income, I spend all my annual bonuses on traveling.

To date, I have traveled to 37 countries.

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post Feb 20 2019, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(real55555 @ Feb 20 2019, 12:24 PM)
That would depend on what purpose you are getting the property. If for own stay, yes, by all means go and get one.

FIRE that achieved now doesn't mean can be maintained in longterm, so we need to reduce regular expenses that will rise in cost for example rental. Unless your passive income after achieving FIRE surpass your expenses that means you still allow to grow your wealth.

However if you are thinking of getting property to rent out, depending on the outcome, it could severely impact your FI and RE. A good property will benefity u but also bear in mind you could bought a property that does is less attractive in terms of rental market and appreciation and that would bog you down in your FIRE.
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Thank you for your input.

As per my post, I am still renting the property which I stay in (all I needed was a room), and I rent out the other rooms. This will ensure I pay very minimal amount of rental.
As with calculation, we can see that renting a property is far cheaper than purchasing one at current situation if we choose to live close to our workplace. Therefore I do not see how renting would increase my monthly expenses.
I do not believe in purchasing property for investment in the current conditions. Property price tend to stagnate over the medium term until more certainty that the current property overhang issue is addressed. Until then, we will see the return rate from property to be more or less similar to FD return rate. If that's the case, I am better off paying a couple hundreds in rent and use my extra money to be invested for 5-6% return rate.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Feb 20 2019, 04:01 PM)
Thank you for your input.

As per my post, I am still renting the property which I stay in (all I needed was a room), and I rent out the other rooms. This will ensure I pay very minimal amount of rental.
As with calculation, we can see that renting a property is far cheaper than purchasing one at current situation if we choose to live close to our workplace. Therefore I do not see how renting would increase my monthly expenses.
I do not believe in purchasing property for investment in the current conditions. Property price tend to stagnate over the medium term until more certainty that the current property overhang issue is addressed. Until then, we will see the return rate from property to be more or less similar to FD return rate. If that's the case, I am better off paying a couple hundreds in rent and use my extra money to be invested for 5-6% return rate.
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This is definitely true based on current market situation. There's about 30K units of unsold property now. Most of my family members invested in, and own 3-4 properties per person each. So there's already 12 properties owned between only 3 people... loans are still being paid. Which makes rental very low now, it makes a lot of sense to rent.

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QUOTE(Slash21 @ Feb 20 2019, 05:15 PM)
This is definitely true based on current market situation. There's about 30K units of unsold property now. Most of my family members invested in, and own 3-4 properties per person each. So there's already 12 properties owned between only 3 people... loans are still being paid. Which makes rental very low now,  it makes a lot of sense to rent.
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yup it's a renters market...but it's also a buyer's market, the secondary market at least.

A lot of owners are willing to let go their properties at a much discounted price now - especially those people with 3-4 properties like you mentioned

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QUOTE(Slash21 @ Feb 20 2019, 05:15 PM)
This is definitely true based on current market situation. There's about 30K units of unsold property now. Most of my family members invested in, and own 3-4 properties per person each. So there's already 12 properties owned between only 3 people... loans are still being paid. Which makes rental very low now,  it makes a lot of sense to rent.
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QUOTE(Bora Prisoner @ Feb 20 2019, 05:44 PM)
yup it's a renters market...but it's also a buyer's market, the secondary market at least.

A lot of owners are willing to let go their properties at a much discounted price now - especially those people with 3-4 properties like you mentioned
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There is still a lot of room for the price to compress. This is just the beginning. I do not fall for all the hoo-haa in the property market because I already know my plan and how to aim for it. In property, maybe 1 in 10 can make money, but 9 might barely breakeven. We can see the successes, but we have yet to see the number of failures. So do not get influenced by another's luck. Judge by yourself if you are prepared for it.

In my opinion, properties should only be bought during an economic crisis.
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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Aug 12 2018, 08:47 AM)
I read with great interest this thread. I have pondered for a long time whether i should put in my perspective about Financial Independence/ Retire Early and i have finally decided maybe i should.
I have lived and worked in Sydney for just under 40 years and plan to retire next year (in Msia). I can continue to work if i want to and can add about A$60-70k/yr extra to my retirement fund if i decide to work longer but i have decided not to as i have no kids and my wife also has some retirement money having worked to 50 herself.  If i retire next year, both our retirement assets can generate a minimum of RM14k/mth (based on a conservative 3% return). If i work another few more years, this figure will probably go into RM20k+/mth and all my friends (and relatives) are telling me not to stop as i have a very cushy job and know most things like the back of my hand.
I ask myself how much money do i need to be in 'happy' in retirement? My wife has always been pushing me to retire as she thinks that we have quite sufficient funds to retire in Msia. I have been researching this passive income subject for a long time and how much is 'enough' as my relatives are saying that i am making a big mistake by retiring at such a young age (in Sydney most people continue to work and don't stop because of the cost of living is so high).
After a lot of analysis and research, i find that this happiness (about how much passive income we need so we will be satisfied whether we plan to retire or not) is very strong connected to contentment. I am an easily contented person (in-built in my personality) and is satisfied with the simple things in life (although my weak spot is food which is what i think will take up most of my retirement expenses).
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Hi Uncle😁,

Interested to know what is the decision on this. Are you decided to settle or continue few more years over there?
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QUOTE(meonkutu11 @ Mar 31 2019, 09:01 AM)
Hi Uncle😁,

Interested to know what is the decision on this. Are you decided to settle or continue few more years over there?
Thanks
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I have decided to finally 'retire' in late July this year. I have submitted my long service leave (LSL) application and my director has approved it. I was supposed to take close to 2 years (on half-pay) LSL but my director says that is far too long as he needs someone to act in my position (even though i don't do much at work) otherwise he will lose the funding for my position. I have until Aug next year to decide whether i still want to go back to work. I will go back to KL in late-July to try my 'retirement in KL'. Hopefully i will like it.

There is something i must tell you about my current feeling about my pending retirement. I have always worked throughout my career and i never needed to worry about money. Recently i feel a little 'insecure' with the thought of no more consistent income coming in (from work) as i will have to get my income from my investments instead after i retire next year. Though i should have enough to live off quite comfortably (from my passive income), there is still a feeling of 'unease' lately. I tell my wife how i feel (as she also has her own savings and her assets are only slightly less than myself) and she has to keep assuring me that we have enough assets to live by quite comfortably. In the last few years, i can really see my retirement savings grow quite significantly and now it will probably stop growing as i will be using the returns to fund my retirement. In 5 years, my retirement balance has more than doubled.

I will be going back to KL in the next couple of weeks for 6 weeks as my wife will be able to access her super next week (reach her preservation age to withdraw partially from her super). She is so happy as she has been looking forward to this day for so long! Worked so long to be able to finally access it! In Aust, access to our super is very limited if you are still working (like me) as the govt wants us to preserve the money for as long as possible (otherwise govt will have to give us the old-aged pension at 67 if we blow our super and this is a huge burden on the govt). I will not be able to access my super until i officially retire next year.
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Just to keep this interesting FIRE topic bumped:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-to-da...w_theo_homepage

not just the article above but the remarks/feedbacks, one was gold.
from Ardak Kumerian:
Many are interested in FIRE, but fewer are capable of, or have the discipline for it.
What many really want: a spouse who can pay for your FIRE, while the spouse continues to work.

that was what torpedoed my personal fire at 36 bangwall.gif laugh.gif
life happens, thus for the younger ones pursuing FIRE, if i may boldly share - better to plan financially for FIREx3 (ie. 3 times your basic FIRE investment assets) to be prudent coz "life happens"
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 10 2019, 08:27 AM)
Just to keep this interesting FIRE topic bumped:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-to-da...w_theo_homepage

not just the article above but the remarks/feedbacks, one was gold.
from Ardak Kumerian:
Many are interested in FIRE, but fewer are capable of, or have the discipline for it.
What many really want:  a spouse who can pay for your FIRE, while the spouse continues to work.

that was what torpedoed my personal fire at 36  bangwall.gif  laugh.gif
life happens, thus for the younger ones pursuing FIRE, if i may boldly share - better to plan financially for FIREx3 (ie. 3 times your basic FIRE investment assets) to be prudent coz "life happens"
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so you want your wife pay and you fire?
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QUOTE(driedfish @ Apr 10 2019, 09:56 AM)
so you want your wife pay and you fire?
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while waiting for his answer,.....
i for one would like that to be, but too bad my spouse is not Ivanka
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 10 2019, 09:59 AM)
while waiting for his answer,.....
i for one would like that to be, but too bad my spouse is not Ivanka
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if so what to do at home?

now i am on vss, too blardy boring
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QUOTE(driedfish @ Apr 10 2019, 10:00 AM)
if so what to do at home?

now i am on vss, too blardy boring
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i would lurk around lyn and doing some of the things as suggested in here....
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+to+do+...chrome&ie=UTF-8
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QUOTE(driedfish @ Apr 10 2019, 09:56 AM)
so you want your wife pay and you fire?
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ex was that type la, ie. "what's yours is ours, what's mine is mine"
thus all my income = family expenses/spending, hers = into her own savings

so, U are like that ar? your wife pay & U fire? if so, great turnaround thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(driedfish @ Apr 10 2019, 10:00 AM)
if so what to do at home?

now i am on vss, too blardy boring
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Why do you choose to stay at home? Go travel is part of post-FIRE life planning right? What about picking up a sport or go hiking with friends? Also achieving FIRE doesn't mean we have to be completely out of the work life. You can do some small farming business, or online business if you like. You can write a blog that portray a life post-FIRE.

The concept of FIRE is just so we do not have to worry about earning money and let money be a slave for us, not the other way around.

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 10 2019, 10:11 AM)
ex was that type la, ie. "what's yours is ours, what's mine is mine"
thus all my income = family expenses/spending, hers = into her own savings

so, U are like that ar? your wife pay & U fire? if so, great turnaround  thumbup.gif
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Lucky for you that she wasn't the type that says "what's mine is mine, what's yours also is mine"! Hahaha.
I would have ran away a lot earlier laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Apr 10 2019, 12:05 PM)
Lucky for you that she wasn't the type that says "what's mine is mine, what's yours also is mine"! Hahaha.
I would have ran away a lot earlier laugh.gif
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that type would have activated my auto-defence system and be terminated before entry (even into my car). laugh.gif SHIELDS UP!

the type "what's yours is ours, what' mine is mine" is more insidious. It acts as a 50/50 partner tapi... suddenly evolves/mutates into a mutant virus/ransomware.. die lor.. activated liao, no escape except "cutting off infected limbs" (ie. pay with $, blood, sweat & tears) cry.gif
IMHO - these are the most dangerous to the FI/RE or even simple accumulators type.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 10 2019, 02:32 PM)
that type would have activated my auto-defence system and be terminated before entry (even into my car).  laugh.gif SHIELDS UP!

the type "what's yours is ours, what' mine is mine" is more insidious. It acts as a 50/50 partner tapi... suddenly evolves/mutates into a mutant virus/ransomware.. die lor.. activated liao, no escape except "cutting off infected limbs" (ie. pay with $, blood, sweat & tears)  cry.gif
IMHO - these are the most dangerous to the FI/RE or even simple accumulators type.
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You meant to say parasites? laugh.gif laugh.gif

Well, I wouldn't mind giving what's mine to her, as long as I get what I want icon_idea.gif
After all, the husband is supposed to share the happiness, sorrows and wealth together with the wifey.
I would like to go makan together and go for outings together. I won't kira much one as long as we are doing things together.
That is why my FIRE plan is made for 3, not only for myself.
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QUOTE(Bora Prisoner @ Feb 16 2019, 07:59 PM)
Just some examples of what i think i did that was frugal

1. Kept same car for 15years
2. Go to work by lrt
3. Electricity bill averaging rm50. Got AC but never use.
4. Water bill RM0
5. No astro for 15 years
6. Meals stick to 3 times a day. No snacks in between
7. I dont take coffee, or tea. So avoid those ā€˜starbucks trap’
8. Minamalist furniture
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Hi , do u mind to know ur current age now ? From which age u started this kind of decipline ? I will like to learn by starting right now current age is 29.
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QUOTE(IHC2012 @ Apr 11 2019, 12:14 AM)
Hi , do u mind to know ur current age now ? From which age u started this kind of decipline ?  I will like to learn by starting right now current age is 29.
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Now 41.

Start ASAP.

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post Apr 11 2019, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Bora Prisoner @ Apr 11 2019, 06:36 AM)
Now 41.

Start ASAP.
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Can you give me a guideline / pic , how much roughly should I have as consider FIRE? At least we have a goal . Most of the frens are ā€œlive in the momentā€ they wore nice clothes , nice cars , eat well , vacations . But for me I do not really need that . That why I come to here learn . As a married with 2 kids , what should we plan for our family in the future . Start saving as much as possible (any ideas of force saving 50% from income )? Our family income per month around 7k. We bought a newly condo , target 2021 wil get the key.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Apr 10 2019, 05:01 PM)
You meant to say parasites? laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Well, I wouldn't mind giving what's mine to her, as long as I get what I want icon_idea.gif
After all, the husband is supposed to share the happiness, sorrows and wealth together with the wifey.
I would like to go makan together and go for outings together. I won't kira much one as long as we are doing things together.
That is why my FIRE plan is made for 3, not only for myself.
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What do you want? Ha ha....

This contribution from both spouses or only one spouse depends on so many factors ... whether both working, whose income higher etc. It can be a thorny issue and requires understanding from both spouses...

Not an easy issue to deal with... ideally, both should take care of their own expenses with some bigger items paid by the one earning more... like you say, both must have mentality that they are in it 100% for the family.. if calculative type... sure got friction

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