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post Dec 9 2019, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(kbandito @ Dec 9 2019, 11:33 AM)
Two points that I agree so much, but many failed to understand its magnitude.
1) Life expectancy of 100. This is very real and will kill many FIRE plans because most budget 75 years old.
2) Nest egg that feeds you until 100. This means not working for at least 40-50 years and yet it can last you for that half a century. I built my own spreadsheet that is tailored to my investment style and appetite, the required number for FIRE scared the hell outta me. Everyone should start building a detailed year-by-year and item-by-item plan to build their goal properly.
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I think it risky to think we might live to 100 soon. Basically, according to here
Life expectancy is different from lifespan. The significant increase in life expectancy over few decades was mainly due to reducing childhood mortality and the introduction of antibiotics ....that does not mean our natural lifespan has increased

Anyway, to cut short, it is “risky” to plan for living to 100 because your delayed gratification gets longer and what happens is you are likely to die from working before you reach 100... in other words, there is no RE at all because you over budgeted( not saying one must RE after achieving FI)






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post Dec 9 2019, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 9 2019, 12:34 PM)
If I can get ROI of 6% and expenditure of 2%, then I should be able to FI/RE. Is there any financial app that can keep track on all these?
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Ya... assuming inflation is 4%, yr retirement fund can last indefinitely ...
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post Dec 10 2019, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Dec 9 2019, 10:42 PM)
I have a rather morbid outlook on that, if you don’t mind me sharing:

My retirement chest of about $30,000,000 at present (almost equally proportioned into liquid asset classes - 55% in a mix of bonds, blue chips, index-tracked investments, cash and 45% in properties) should, in theory, outlast my wife and my life times (we are knocking on 50 years of age). This assuming we use $250,000 per year (and that’s an extraordinarily extravagant assumption, as even a detailed analysis at present pegs our everyday “running costs” at no more than $15,000 per month - including a more than generous $6,000 allowance for travels and holidays per month). Realistically, we can live on far less. This retirement sum does NOT include whatever I have in my superannuation in Australia or my CPF in Singapore. The latter will be used to pay for my medical insurance coverage.

We’re already 100% covered for major illnesses and hospitalisations - at least until 80 years of age.

So, if the amount lasts our lifetimes, good on me. I planned and executed it to perfection. I can take care of myself (and my wife).

If it doesn’t, and I’m flipping flat broke before I’m dead, no worries mate, the government will take care of me - because I’ll be retired in Australia.

Fingers crossed, it’ll be the former scenario.
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A very modest dividend and rental yield of 2% will give you $600k per annum, more than exceeding your 250k expenses. Keep in mind that 600k can be fully spent away as the principal is naturally hedged against inflation. I would say, if u r so inclined, to bring forward your plan. You are more than financially ready. Now it is just how strong your urge is to do the things u want to do vs your responsibility etc...time and tide wait for no man... how strongly you feel about staying for another 2 years vs now.. that one only you and your wife can answer...many here would like to be put into that predicament ...

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post Dec 10 2019, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(limmmkb @ Dec 10 2019, 11:59 AM)
Seems like alot of you guys in this thread are much older. So I have a question to seek out your experiences.

Say you had in today's terms a modest figure of RM2mil worth of assets and 2 kids who are already adult and working. (RM2m is net asset position) You are at the age of 50.

What would be your ideal asset mix of that RM2m?

Just wanna hear your opinions as well, cause ive been hearing so many opinions im starting to think some of them are bias smile.gif
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Are u at 50? What makes u think we are much older oh?

If 50.. are u still working? If still working, then any reasonable combo of FD, EPF, properties and stocks is mostly ok..

If not working, just make sure the assets generate enough rental/interest/ dividend to cover expenses ... maintain some liquid assets just in case...


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post Dec 10 2019, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(roarus @ Dec 10 2019, 03:31 PM)
I think it's riskier to not plan to live longer past 75, what if you don't have a direct next of kin that somewhat promises your basic survival?
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Actually, if your expected return on your portfolio is 6% and you withdraw 2%, and inflation is 4% and you set retirement at say, 50... then theoretically you can retire indefinitely ....

What I meant earlier was... if your plan is based on living to 100 and you plan to retire at 70, then you might just die before reaching 70...

You should plan to retire earlier and yet your funds can last beyond 75 or 100 or indefinitely...

This conservative approach is not easy to achieve of course... but safer... if your contingency plan involve depending on next of kin handouts... then you are not ready to retire early ...

This 2% withdrawal rate is not set in stone.. what I mean is in the earlier years of retirement, you can withdraw 3% or 4% which will mean a smaller portfolio when you are older which is ok as one is expected to spend less when one is older... u tweak the numbers according to the situation ...
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post Dec 13 2019, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(limmmkb @ Dec 13 2019, 09:50 AM)
Im almost 30, so im thinking about my 40s... If u guys are in your 40s maybe your thinking abt 50s.. who knows..

As part of the RE, i would assume to stop working by 50 and live off investments..

Actually just wanna see people's opinion if realistically RM2m in today's terms in enough or not..
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RM2mil in today terms should be enough if you have no kids and lead a simple lifestyle ... not poor simple but ok ok simple even with some foreign travel... being single is easy .. if family, definitely not enough
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post Dec 13 2019, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(cynthusc @ Dec 13 2019, 04:17 PM)
If you have RM2 mil at 50 and take out RM8000 per month with a 2% increase every year to take into account inflation, you will have about RM466K left at the age of 80 if you get a 5% per annum return on your RM2 million.
But if you only take out RM5000 per month with the same 2% increment per year, you will still have RM3.6 million at 80
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Interesting....if it were me, I will probably take out about 6k.. smile.gif

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