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cheefai7
post Nov 29 2019, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 29 2019, 03:21 PM)
hmm.gif some would argue that a reasonable valued ownstay property loan or a business expansion loan are debt that contradict your point 1
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Everyone has different view on debt. Like hksgmy he would stay on course of plowing that mortgages with prepayment in mind, its a longer term strategy opposing to the property guru with leverage max with minimal capital outlay and installment and game on the capital gain at the shortest time possible.

QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 29 2019, 03:29 PM)
Ah, you mean contributing here? I’m just an amateur in terms of investment strategies, and I defer to the knowledge and experience of the forum users here with far more practice and wisdom.

And to answer your question, no. We’ve never leveraged on our investments but obviously we had to take loans for our Singapore properties purchases. We did as much capital prepayments as contractually allowed and paid off the mortgages at the earliest opportunity. So, we’ve been debt free since 40 years of age.

As I mentioned, my wife and I are not a typical case. We are both professionals earning a very respectable income each (hers isn’t anything to scoff at either) and her income alone is more than enough to sustain our annual expenditures and multiple holiday trips overseas - the latter being the most expensive expense item on our outgoings. We also agreed early on in our marriage that we did not want children (because I didn’t think we could be good parents and still give 110% at at careers - it’s a lifestyle choice and a decision that we arrived at with much soul searching: 30 years later, we still have no regrets whatsoever).

My philosophy is simple - a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, every penny saved is a penny earned. Leverage can unravel too quickly. Margin trading can inflict crippling burns in the blink of an eye. Those strategies are for braver people with wills of steel and courage of lions.
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That would broadly representing the majority of the self-made millionaires without fancy investment tool, which everyone can do, but not everyone can practice the delay gratification that you have done in your past experience.

Great inspiration as to myself also in the route of pairing down my mortgage and incurring no more consumer debt, before the year of 40.
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QUOTE(cheefai7 @ Nov 29 2019, 03:46 PM)
Everyone has different view on debt. Like hksgmy he would stay on course of plowing that mortgages with prepayment in mind, its a longer term strategy opposing to the property guru with leverage max with minimal capital outlay and installment and game on the capital gain at the shortest time possible.
That would broadly representing the majority of the self-made millionaires without fancy investment tool, which everyone can do, but not everyone can practice the delay gratification that you have done in your past experience.

Great inspiration as to myself also in the route of pairing down my mortgage and incurring no more consumer debt,  before the year of 40.
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I wish you all the best!
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post Nov 29 2019, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(cheefai7 @ Nov 29 2019, 03:46 PM)
Everyone has different view on debt. Like hksgmy he would stay on course of plowing that mortgages with prepayment in mind, its a longer term strategy opposing to the property guru with leverage max with minimal capital outlay and installment and game on the capital gain at the shortest time possible.
That would broadly representing the majority of the self-made millionaires without fancy investment tool, which everyone can do, but not everyone can practice the delay gratification that you have done in your past experience.

Great inspiration as to myself also in the route of pairing down my mortgage and incurring no more consumer debt,  before the year of 40.
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Property guru are mostly snake oil seller.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 29 2019, 04:15 PM)
Property guru are mostly snake oil seller.
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So does hifi company selling cables to the audiophiles. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Nov 30 2019, 07:18 AM

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Wow. Finally ploughed through 79 pages of wisdom and investing experience. Thank you all for sharing. I have to admit, reading all of this and noting how, despite our many different strategies and approaches and beliefs and principles, it’s heartening to note a few common underlying trends.

1. Always save as much as it is practical
2. Always live well within one’s means
3. Start this journey as early and as young as possible

I’m such an amateur compared to all the gurus and their many different strategies here, and to be frank, at my stage in life, where I stand to lose a lot more than I can recover, I will never be brave enough to rebalance my portfolio - but it does make for interesting reading and offers much food for thought.

Thank you all.
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post Nov 30 2019, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 30 2019, 07:18 AM)

I’m such an amateur compared to all the gurus and their many different strategies here, and to be frank, at my stage in life, where I stand to lose a lot more than I can recover, I will never be brave enough to rebalance my portfolio -
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I am surprised with Asset >SD30 Million, passive income RM90-120k a month, active income SD300+k a month,
you still have such fear?
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post Nov 30 2019, 10:36 AM

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I had been reading and watching alot of personal finance articles/videos lately. Just a question, when people(from usa) said save 20%-30% of your income. If i were to translate to malaysia situation, that means our employer and employee contribution already include in the 20% consideration correct? Because seems like usa 401k/roth ira is an optional rather then mandotary unlike our epf unless of course im misunderstanding of the situation.
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QUOTE(iqlas @ Nov 30 2019, 10:36 AM)
I had been reading and watching alot of personal finance articles/videos lately. Just a question, when people(from usa) said save 20%-30% of your income. If i were to translate to malaysia situation, that means our employer and employee contribution already include in the 20% consideration correct? Because seems like usa 401k/roth ira is an optional rather then mandotary unlike our epf unless of course im misunderstanding of the situation.
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This 20%-30% saving has a lot to consider the buying power of the current currency n its buying power of its future currency... Especially at times of need.....example... How much has myr performed vs usd over the last 40 yrs (if retired after 40 yrs saving)?
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post Nov 30 2019, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 30 2019, 09:58 AM)
I am surprised with Asset >SD30 Million, passive income RM90-120k a month, active income SD300+k a month,
you still have such fear?
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It's the classic conundrum - when you come to a certain stage/age in life, you get comfortable with the way things are done and you can't risk upsetting the status quo. If I do something that eats into my portfolio because of massive losses, then I set back my retirement plans. And at my age, I rather be happy with what works than to be greedy and try what might.

Things might have turned out differently if I started earlier.
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post Nov 30 2019, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(iqlas @ Nov 30 2019, 10:36 AM)
I had been reading and watching alot of personal finance articles/videos lately. Just a question, when people(from usa) said save 20%-30% of your income. If i were to translate to malaysia situation, that means our employer and employee contribution already include in the 20% consideration correct? Because seems like usa 401k/roth ira is an optional rather then mandotary unlike our epf unless of course im misunderstanding of the situation.
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I personally disregard the 20% to EPF as

1. If everyone is doing it, then there is no extra effort on your part.
2. Money locked up in EPF cannot be touched till 55.. and could be extended in the future. Money that you cannot access now is , strictly speaking, not your money ..yet.

This post has been edited by aspartame: Nov 30 2019, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 30 2019, 09:58 AM)
I am surprised with Asset >SD30 Million, passive income RM90-120k a month, active income SD300+k a month,
you still have such fear?
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Everyone's risks appetite is different. if one is comfortable and contented, why need to take unnecessary risk?

QUOTE(iqlas @ Nov 30 2019, 10:36 AM)
I had been reading and watching alot of personal finance articles/videos lately. Just a question, when people(from usa) said save 20%-30% of your income. If i were to translate to malaysia situation, that means our employer and employee contribution already include in the 20% consideration correct? Because seems like usa 401k/roth ira is an optional rather then mandotary unlike our epf unless of course im misunderstanding of the situation.
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It is subject to income. according to epf; despite saving about 20% of income through out working life, most malaysians don't have enough epf saving to retire comfortably.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 30 2019, 01:14 PM)
Everyone's risks appetite is different. if one is comfortable and contented, why need to take unnecessary risk?

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Risk appetite must be seen in perspective.

Taking a 100% risky investment out of 1% portfolio is nothing

Throw a $300-500k in the highest investment vehicle no need to blink an eye
it wont hurt a bit even if it ends in total loss.

the same cant be repeated for your ordinary Jones.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 30 2019, 02:09 PM)
Risk appetite must be seen in perspective.

Taking a 100% risky investment  out of 1% portfolio is nothing

Throw a $300-500k in the highest investment vehicle no need to blink an eye
it wont hurt a bit even if it ends in  total loss.

the same cant be repeated for your ordinary Jones.
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Also means the potential return/profit on the 1% is similarly insignificant.

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post Nov 30 2019, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 30 2019, 02:09 PM)
Risk appetite must be seen in perspective.

Taking a 100% risky investment  out of 1% portfolio is nothing

Throw a $300-500k in the highest investment vehicle no need to blink an eye
it wont hurt a bit even if it ends in  total loss.

the same cant be repeated for your ordinary Jones.
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The $300,000 to $500,000 you mentioned may not hurt you one bit but it will me. Every dollar is 血汗钱, blood sweat and tears, and I owe it to myself and wife (and the patients that endorse and continue to support me financially) to be responsible with how I take care of it.

It’s a very conservative philosophy but it ensures that I am a good custodian of that which has been put in my charge.
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post Nov 30 2019, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 30 2019, 02:09 PM)
Risk appetite must be seen in perspective.

Taking a 100% risky investment  out of 1% portfolio is nothing

Throw a $300-500k in the highest investment vehicle no need to blink an eye
it wont hurt a bit even if it ends in  total loss.

the same cant be repeated for your ordinary Jones.
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Isn't this gambling? With the same mindset, everyday lose 1%, you will be in trouble.
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post Nov 30 2019, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Nov 30 2019, 06:04 PM)
Isn't this gambling? With the same mindset, everyday lose 1%, you will be in trouble.
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Perhaps to some it may not be, but to me, I agree with you whole heartedly - that approach is no different to taking a gamble.

And I couldn’t agree more, 1% here, 5% there, soon I’ll have to work till I’m way too old to enjoy the remainder of my days.
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QUOTE(iqlas @ Nov 30 2019, 10:36 AM)
I had been reading and watching alot of personal finance articles/videos lately. Just a question, when people(from usa) said save 20%-30% of your income. If i were to translate to malaysia situation, that means our employer and employee contribution already include in the 20% consideration correct? Because seems like usa 401k/roth ira is an optional rather then mandotary unlike our epf unless of course im misunderstanding of the situation.
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Epf is one of the great things about working in Malaysia. U r forced to save 20+% of your earnings for retirement.

However, there are a few things to be cautious about

1. USians have social security on top of their 401k. We don't. It's only epf if u r private sector.

2. Epf is a conservatively managed fund. Atm its a 60% bond/40% equity fund (which is actually historical high equity allocation for epf). Arguably, that's rather conservative for a young person.

4. While epf is mandatory, there is no guarantee that you will always be an employee. One could be retrenched.

5. Many loopholes/temptations to withdraw Epf prior to 55.

So it's always good to save more on top of Epf and, if u want Fire, a must.


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QUOTE(iqlas @ Nov 30 2019, 10:36 AM)
I had been reading and watching alot of personal finance articles/videos lately. Just a question, when people(from usa) said save 20%-30% of your income. If i were to translate to malaysia situation, that means our employer and employee contribution already include in the 20% consideration correct? Because seems like usa 401k/roth ira is an optional rather then mandotary unlike our epf unless of course im misunderstanding of the situation.
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Well, they expect people without health problems to work up to 65. An extra 10 years of income and 20% savings translates to much more money after retirement.

If you were to retire at 55, your EPF may not be enough if you're not a high income earner.
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Dec 1 2019, 07:42 PM)
Well, they expect people without health problems to work up to 65. An extra 10 years of income and 20% savings translates to much more money after retirement.

If you were to retire at 55, your EPF may not be enough if you're not a high income earner.
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My wealthy Mgr tells me... Unless you have million-million in the bank, don't retire.

Nothing more depressing than having too much free time, but not enuf passive-replacement income.

A better alternative is work, maintain 100% income lifestyle, till u drop dead.

I hope to work till 60, 62, 65, 67...whichever later.
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QUOTE(Dd2318 @ Dec 1 2019, 08:44 PM)
My wealthy Mgr tells me... Unless you have million-million in the bank, don't retire.

Nothing more depressing than having too much free time, but not enuf passive-replacement income.

A better alternative is work, maintain 100% income lifestyle, till u drop dead.

I hope to work till 60, 62, 65, 67...whichever later.
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I used to think that way too. But, to be honest, I can’t tell whether it would make that big a difference between say, $30,000,000.00 vs $60,000,00.00 - once it gets to a certain point, I find it rather meaningless. Especially for our existing lifestyles and the fact that we have no children to worry about it.

Different priorities for different people, obviously - but if I ever needed a reminder of knowing when to quit when I’m ahead, I just look up the former PM of Malaysia, Najib Razak. If he only knew how to call it a day, he might still be the PM today, no?

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