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post Jul 3 2018, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(Chowda @ Jul 3 2018, 04:26 PM)
yeah it can be worded differently.

My boss has the same opinion and I just realize this recently too. You know how the architectural design of mosques in Malaysia are eerily similar to the ones in the Middle East? You go to china mosque you can at least see an Oriental design, signs of Islam spreading and integrating into the community.

That isn't the case for Malaysian Mosque, lacking any form of local architectural design. Thus, you can see where the term "more arab than arab" came from.
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The mosque is actually considered as "Rumah Allah", so I do not see why they would not be adhering to Masjid Nabawi, in Medina, the birthplace of Islam - it helps distinguish the mosques to other Malay buildins as well. Malay-Muslims on the other hand do not necessarily need to Aribify themselves, you would not be a non-Muslim by not adopting Arabic names and cultures.
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post Jul 3 2018, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jul 3 2018, 04:53 PM)
The mosque is actually considered as "Rumah Allah", so I do not see why they would not be adhering to Masjid Nabawi, in Medina, the birthplace of Islam - it helps distinguish the mosques to other Malay buildins as well. Malay-Muslims on the other hand do not necessarily need to Aribify themselves, you would not be a non-Muslim by not adopting Arabic names and cultures.
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There is nothing wrong with copying a design, the biggest problem is that the design didn't get integrated. The design does not represent the religion, a Malay architectural design could have been altered to a uniqueness of a mosque. However, the current mosque designs seem more like replacing the architecture of the local people.

Attached Image This is a Middle Eastern or Arabian Design, the original

Attached Image This is an Oriental Design, it looks like a mosque, but it has oriental features, unique from the original.

Attached Image This is a Malaysian Mosque, it is a mosque, but it has no Malay Uniqueness

See the problem here? a Mosque can be distinguished but the term "more arab than arab" comes from the fact that the locals are taking on a culture that is not of themselves, and is being replaced. The architecture is just one of them.

And yes Malays don't need to, that would be a good thing. But many have Arabify themselves, they won't admit it but we non-muslims can see it.
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post Jul 3 2018, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(Chowda @ Jul 3 2018, 05:06 PM)
There is nothing wrong with copying a design, the biggest problem is that the design didn't get integrated. The design does not represent the religion, a Malay architectural design could have been altered to a uniqueness of a mosque. However, the current mosque designs seem more like replacing the architecture of the local people.

See the problem here? a Mosque can be distinguished but the term "more arab than arab" comes from the fact that the locals are taking on a culture that is not of themselves, and is being replaced. The architecture is just one of them.

And yes Malays don't need to, that would be a good thing. But many have Arabify themselves, they won't admit it but we non-muslims can see it.
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No I do not see the problem, Islam and Malays have been fused together for so long. In fact in Malaysia you are not considered a Malay and cannot enjoy the benefits afforded to them if you are not a Muslim.

This is another case of confusing between Islam and Arab.
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post Jul 3 2018, 05:18 PM

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Ktard logic is that if Muslim embrace liberalism and participate in immoral activities only consider progress if not taliban.
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jul 3 2018, 05:14 PM)
No I do not see the problem, Islam and Malays have been fused together for so long. In fact in Malaysia you are not considered a Malay and cannot enjoy the benefits afforded to them if you are not a Muslim.

This is another case of confusing between Islam and Arab.
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They've been fused long yes, but even in old times, Malays had a uniqueness while also practising Islam. Where has that Uniqueness gone? It has been replaced by what many perceive to be an Islam from Arab.
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QUOTE(Chowda @ Jul 3 2018, 05:20 PM)
They've been fused long yes, but even in old times, Malays had a uniqueness while also practising Islam. Where has that Uniqueness gone? It has been replaced by what many perceive to be an Islam from Arab.
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Do you see any 50-storey Malay-infused buildings in KL? No, kan? Why haven't I hear you complaining about the bumiputra/Malay-linked companies HQ not being designed based on Malay cultures? Why do you care so much that an Islamic building such as the mosque, of which the root of its existence lies on Islam is designed based on Islamic culture? Keep your Chinese mosques example at home, Communist China would hunt you down if you try to Islamify their country.

For a free country such as Malaysia, and for a praying house such as the mosque, it is fair that the design is derived from Islamic (keep note that it is not Arabic) cultures. I am going to need to summon azarimy the architect from UTM (could be mistaken???) to hear what he has to say on this

Like I said, this is a case of confusing between Arabs and Islam. They are not one and the same.

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post Jul 3 2018, 05:26 PM

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I guess these are the original cultures that we have forgotten. Seems more open minded back then... and yes.. those movie props are almost equal standards with the westerners during that time. More of these movies and we could have propelled to stardom like South Korea... what happened?

The ending of that clip... itu...

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jul 3 2018, 05:26 PM)
Do you see any 50-storey Malay-infused buildings in KL? No, kan? Why haven't I hear you complaining about the bumiputra/Malay-linked companies HQ not being designed based on Malay cultures? Why do you care so much that an Islamic building such as the mosque, of which the root of its existence lies on Islam is designed based on Islamic culture? Keep your Chinese mosques example at home, Communist China would hunt you down if you try to Islamify their country. 

For a free country such as Malaysia, and for a praying house such as the mosque, it is fair that the design is derived from Islamic (keep note that it is not Arabic) cultures. I am going to need to summon azarimy the architect from UTM (could be mistaken???) to hear what he has to say on this
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I care because I don't want to see Malay culture die out. I am only using Chinese architecture as an example of integration.

and yes I can show you an example of a Malay-infused building in KL.

The muzium negara itself:

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Edit: What mosque is 50-stories la bang?

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post Jul 3 2018, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(Chowda @ Jul 3 2018, 05:31 PM)
I care because I don't want to see Malay culture die out. I am only using Chinese architecture as an example of integration.

and yes I can show you an example of a Malay-infused building in KL.

The muzium negara itself:

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Edit: What mosque is 50-stories la bang?
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Ok, then I rephrase, why are you not crying out loud about the lack-of-Malayness in building other than the mosques? The mosque has a primary function, that is the house of Allah, and the architecture represents Islam, and not Malay.
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QUOTE(sekngucing @ Jul 3 2018, 05:37 PM)
this is kedah traditional style
you look at pwtc.. that is east coast traditional style (terengganu)
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Malays had a lot of unique buildings, Terengganu I am looking right now also unique but also similar to Kedah. Looks nice
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imagine without the religious extremism that draws us back from liberalism, we would seeing Kilafairy, Nora Danish, Lisa Surihani, Senrose's sisters, Fasha Sandha, Lana Nordin and the likes in bikini or possibly naked right now. hihihi
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post Jul 3 2018, 05:44 PM

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Meanwhile u can have a look at iran history, that religion that kill the culture, the language, and others. And this is happen globally.
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jul 3 2018, 05:39 PM)
Ok, then I rephrase, why are you not crying out loud about the lack-of-Malayness in building other than the mosques? The mosque has a primary function, that is the house of Allah, and the architecture represents Islam, and not Malay.
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If the traditional methods of construction could build skyscrapers I'd harp about it too. But western construction methods and designs are better, so what can I say?

I repeat the design does not represent the religion, the function remains the same, why are you so dead set on the looks of a building being the same from a culture that isn't yours. You can keep the qubba while still having traits of the local community
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QUOTE(superbike @ Jul 3 2018, 05:42 PM)
imagine without the religious extremism that draws us back from liberalism, we would seeing Kilafairy, Nora Danish, Lisa Surihani,  Senrose's sisters, Fasha Sandha, Lana Nordin and the likes in bikini or possibly naked right now. hihihi
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QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jul 3 2018, 05:18 PM)
Ktard logic is that if Muslim embrace liberalism and participate in immoral activities only consider progress if not taliban.
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bro, they see the truth in your reply and they casually breeze past it. truth hurts.

they will not redho you if you are not going to be assimilated into their lifestyle plus not to mention deeming down your's as a few thousand steps backwards.

that is the cold hard truth no matter how clever they r twisting words around it.

and if all their debate is being deflected, they will pull out their trump card which is; "elehh sikit-sikit triggered".
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QUOTE(sekngucing @ Jul 3 2018, 05:44 PM)
not similar.... terengganu .. kelantan.. and southern thai is similar.. but different
if you watch lots of thai movies.. their traditional house.. resemble Eastcoast traditional house minus the idol and dragon carvings at the tip of the roof
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They look similar to me, Idk lol biggrin.gif . They have a certain feel like they had siam elements to it
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