No need to buy new fighter.. Mrca, LCA. Maintain existing ones. Instead Malaysia should buy mobile SAM systems.

Look at Iran, fighter from 70s, still can threaten US.

Serious. Govt has money challenges. Debt is high, revenue is less due to removal of gst n economy not so hnnggh. Promise to rakyat are a lot still to be fulfilled. Defence expenditure will be lowest priority for many years.

So how to build credible defence? ATM should forget all this expensive Rafale, Typhoon, Gripen. Not happening for a long-long time. Even if buy, the numbers will be so insignificant in war.

So better start to think like a miskin underdog force. Realign strategy and equipment.

Yes the budget has been poor. It will continue to be poor. TUDM is like that RM2000 salary guy dreaming of Civic Ketam. So I'm saying better look at public transport.

No SAM experience? Cmon! We already operate air defence radars. And as u said we have Jernas. N Navy has Seawolf. Sam operation is just an extension. Radar.. control.. Missile. ATM has radars n missiles experience. Only now to figure out a more capable approach. And if Vietnamese farmers and Arab goatherders can figure out SAM operations back in the 60s/70s, I'm sure our people can too. Vietnam, Singapore, Thai, Myanmar have decent SAM capabilities right now. Where they got experience then? "Not from childbirth.

LCA also doesn't make sense as well. Why buy expensive training aircraft (and LCA is high end Trainer fighter not cikai type prop trainers ) to train pilots for MRCAs that we can't afford?

Budget comes from the rakyat pockets. It's not the God given right or even constitutional right for each service to get XXX amount. This Three Kingdoms mentality and rivalry is not good.

Anyway many air forces operate large SAM systems. Eg Singapore, Vietnam. I say it's better for C3 purposes for SAM to be under air force

Mig-29.Don't hv to replace. MIG was an air defence fighter, so if really worried about air defence gaps buy a SAM system. Much cheaper then any Mrca squadron.look at Yugoslavia. All their fighters were useless in the war, but their SAM (which was under air force) came out well.

Mb1339 not flying anymorw...n quite new right? Very typical Malaysia. Now have to change to new more expensive Trainer.

But if we don't buy any new MRCAs u don't need Lifts. Or rather need but now only for rwmaining squadrons. I suggest use the Hawks. Or we can outsource training to other places as well.

It's your right to want whatever.

Govt finances now is worse than 5 years ago n this new govt will want to make sure it's not a one term govt. Not many ppl will vote for govt bcoz they buy fighters or MPA/AEW. They care more for PTPTN, subsidies, bailouts..

N sad to hear abt the mb-339. What a waste. Wonder whether there will be an investigation? (PH govt hobby)

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Jun 22 2019, 11:08 PM

If u, like TUDM/ATM dream of mrcas, awacs etc, then you should be worried.

Thanks for the reading links. I hv seen those before. Nothing new.

You can read this. Prof Jomo was in Council of Elders appointed by PH, so he should know what he is saying.

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/06/...arns-malaysians

Prepare for tough times ahead, n ATM will not be excluded. In fact, I think ATM will be more starved.

Cap55 means 2055? .. That's a pretty long 35 more years (exclude this year) or 7 5-year Plans...

Interesting.. That's RM11.2-RM14 billion spending spread over the 35 years? Meaning about RM320-RM400 million a year...and by 2055 you get the end results of CAP55. Is my understanding of what u say correct?

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Jun 24 2019, 12:11 AM

Ah.. 1.6-2b USD.. I thought it was in RM! Not so affordable then.. Other services also need funds.

Past 5 year Defence Development Exp is about Rm16B. There will probably be a cut in 2021-2025 period. Say RM14b. Split into 3 services n joint forces budget.. I think Tudm should be lucky if can get USD1 b.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Jun 24 2019, 02:52 PM

Yeah right... USD3 billion. SItting in FD somewhere, just waiting for Tudm to drawdown.. 😆

Means that the USD1. 6-2 billion tht you claim "doable" is purely on the basis of "hope" that the PM will increase ATM budget allocation significantly in the future.

Since all the signs are that we should be bracing for tough times ahead, sorry to say that this is just a military fanboy wet dream...I only hope Tudm does not do its planning that way.