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atreyuangel
post Jan 9 2019, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(agent sawyer @ Jan 9 2019, 06:41 PM)
Alright alright I get it sweat.gif

Not sure we got the budget for that... We'll need some kind of powerful AEGISlike radar and Aster or Standard... Sigh, arms race has reached SEA
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for this kind of procurement it will falls on Malaysian Plan budget rather then the annual budget
usually the old government will set around 10 to 15 billion for each division (Army, Air and Navy) on every Malaysia Plan
but new Malaysia still need to wait for their first Malaysia Plan to be table

but my guess the budget will be cut with the excuse of "Hutang Malaysia Banyak" whistling.gif
oh! I wish I will be wrong when the times come. wink3.gif
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post Feb 8 2019, 12:30 AM

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ehh Malay officer in Navy
isit bekos I melei


oi.. ni TLDM la

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post Feb 16 2019, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(PleaseEnterYourName @ Feb 15 2019, 11:10 PM)
kalau aku sembang cerita leftenen zana dkt sini korang marah tak?
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pasal ada suruh kne bagi feedback tengok la jugak

nak habiskan sejam tu seksa rasa

weak plot pastu berterabur, predicted ngan cliche nak habis

overplayed OST sampai naik bosan

so dari 10 aku bagi 3 je la laugh.gif

pasni kalo tak tgk pun takpe hahaha
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Feb 16 2019, 02:38 AM)
Gurau je lol. Mak aku tengok

In my opinion, it shows the drama has expert advisors, even using real equipment but sacrifices a lot of realities for the sake of standard story drama melayu. It’s not really a story of leftenan zara, it’s a standard drama melayu with the army as backdrop. Its the same old BS story if the main character was joining the navy/pengakap/bomba/pizza hut except this time can wear celoreng

In conclusion: A disingenuous recruitment piece thought up by the brilliant PR consultants at MINDEF which doesn’t show the real hardships and realities of commiting your life to the service. I like the theme song tho

A better story idea: the officer girl gets sent to some UN peacekeeping mission shithole while kena buli by her LLPs and her husband back home kahwin lain and takes all of her savings and kids - a more believable story which happens all the time
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oh my god Andy you like that theme song
well the song is ok I guess but it was overplayed until it become too boring at one point
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post Feb 16 2019, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(xtemujin @ Feb 16 2019, 10:15 AM)
Here's the China Coast Guard vessel patrolling Malaysian waters around Luconia shoals yesterday. Like every day. This is a very strange thing to proclaim neutrality about.
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https://twitter.com/GregPoling/status/1095757993461858304
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you said that is strange you should check their activities at James Shoal

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QUOTE(bereev @ Feb 16 2019, 04:32 PM)
we only fight with sg
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there always navy vessel shadow them

like the case in Pattingi Ali

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where do you think did Jabatan Laut learned how to be stubborn and play dead with the SG?

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Feb 16 2019, 06:20 PM)
Shadowing more advanced ships e.g. ships with superior sensors ? Hmm...
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even the displacement is higher

but the navy still need to do their job
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post Feb 22 2019, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Feb 21 2019, 05:17 PM)
when deployed yes... the only one without malay.. but no hindu and vegetarian also

“SAF does not discriminate against Islam,” says Muslim convert

If there is any discrimination at all it's due to logistics and not religion

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Local Muslim convert Terence Helikaon Nunis has asserted online that the Singapore Armed Forces does not discriminate against Muslims.

Answering a question, on question-and-answer portal Quora, on why there aren’t any Muslims in some sectors of the Singapore Army and Navy, Terence replied that the reason is due to logistical issues and not religious discrimination.

Terence, a former commissioned officer for security and intelligence, blogs at ‘A Muslim Convert Once More‘ and describes himself as follows:

“I used to be Catholic and belonged to a missionary organisation. After my conversion, I sat on the board of a Muslim converts’ organisation and specialised in da’wah programmes, convert management, interfaith issues and apostasy cases. I am an initiate of the Sufi order.”

Some may know him as a whistleblower who lodged a police report against an imam here in 2017.

In February 2017, Terence uploaded a sermon that was delivered by Imam Nalla of Jamae Chulia Mosque on Facebook where the Imam had said, “Grant us help against the Jews and Christians” in Arabic.

Terence criticised the imam for “supplicating as if we are all living in the Crusades” and urged netizens to not “encourage this sort of thinking or condone this sort of supplications”.

The authorities later fined Imam Nallah S$4,000 and repatriated him to India after confirming that the imam’s words were not from the Quran and were instead taken from an old text from his village in India.

The incident gave rise to heated debate on social media and among the Muslim community. While some praised Terence for his whistleblowing, others said that he should have approached the imam and advised him in private instead of posting the video on social media.

The incident even sparked responses from more prominent Singaporeans. Dr Khairudin Aljunied, a tenured Associate Professor at the NUS’ Department of Malay Studies, made a veiled criticism of Terence, calling him a “silly convert”.

In a now-deleted Facebook post, Dr Khairudin imagined a conversation between a convert and an imam and in the conversation, the imam asks the convert to “stop being a Muslim for now.”

The NUS don’s post caught the attention of Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam who sided with Terence. The Minister criticised the NUS don for “encouraging the vilification of Terence” and said that the academic’s “position and actions are quite unacceptable.”

This past Tuesday, Terence asserted that the SAF does not discriminate against Muslims and that he has “never felt that I lacked opportunities because of my religion.”

He added that while there were “historical reasons” on why there were not many Muslims in the army in the past, tensions have now eased and “there is no longer any real reason for us to doubt Singaporean Malays.”

In his response on Quora, Terence went into what he calls the “real reason why there were no Malays in much of the SAF [that] is not found in our history books. It is no longer classified, but it is a forgotten episode, just like much of the events during the period of our Separation from Malaysia and the Konfrontasi”:

“Singapore’s SAF does not discriminate against the Muslims. We have a lot of Muslims in sensitive positions. I am, myself, a Muslim convert, and I have never felt that I lacked opportunities because of my religion. The issue is Malays, for historical reasons. The real reason why there were no Malays in much of the SAF is not found in our history books. It is no longer classified, but it is a forgotten episode, just like much of the events during the period of our Separation from Malaysia and the Konfrontasi. For those interested, there are people around who lived during that period, and were there when it happened, although all of them are very old.
“When Singapore separated from Malaysia, the divorce was painful. In the election prior, when the PAP campaigned in Malaysia for a a “Malaysian Malaysia”, instead of a “Malay Malaysia”, UMNO were outraged and played the race and religion card.
“The main instigator was Syed Jaafar Albar, the so-called “Lion of UMNO”. He was a radical Malay supremacist, despite the fact that he was clearly Yemeni Arab, and not Malay. He was vehemently against Singapore’s separation from Malaysia, and resigned as secretary-general of UMNO in protest. He went as far as to advocate that Malaysia militarily occupy Singapore.
“At the time of Separation, almost half of the troops based here were from Malaysia. When the British gave control of the various units to Singapore, Malaysia and Brunei, they neglected to consider that the units were recruited from all over the Malay Peninsula. We had Singapore-born Malays and Malaysian-born Malays in the SAF and the Police, at SAFTI and elsewhere.
“The 4th Malaysian Infantry Brigade consisted of two infantry regiments of about 1,000 soldiers each. Just over half of them were Malaysian, and they had divided loyalties. They were commanded by Brigadier-General Syed Mohamed Alsagoff, a relative of Syed Albar, and another Yemeni Arab. To say that he did not get along with Lee Kuan Yew is to put it mildly. He claimed it was a joke when he told Lee Kuan Yew that he could have had the PAP leaders arrested and shot. Lee Kuan Yew and his family moved out of the Istana and borrowed the Gurkha Regiment to guard them.

“The Malaysian troops, all ethnic Malays, mutinied. Just over half of them supported Malaysia. One of the Singapore officers was killed. It was Col. Alkaff, BG Alsagoff’s cousin, who negotiated a withdrawal of the Malaysian troops. The 4th Malaysian Infantry Brigade withdrew from Singapore by November of 1967. The murderers of the Singapore officer were arrested. Two were hanged, and the others were only released from detention a decade or so ago.
“As a consequence, Lee Kuan Yew used the Land Acquisition Act to dismantle the Alsagoff family landholdings in Singapore. Conscription was instituted, but no Malays were conscripted at first. The commandos, once dominated by Malays, now have none. The Malay officers and NCOs, even though they did not mutiny, were either never promoted or were let go. This included the entire ethnic Malay cohort of officer cadets. And of course, Singapore invited a few countries to come and train our soldiers. Only Israel accepted. They stood by us when we had nothing, and we do not forget our friends.”

Asserting that this generation of Singaporean Malays “should no longer pay for the sins of a generation that has almost died out,” Terence argued that every citizen must play a part to protect Singapore today, especially given issues like the nation’s low fertility rate:

“Over the decades, that has slowly been eased. One of the reasons is because we have forged our own destiny as a nation, and there is no longer any real reason for us to doubt Singaporean Malays. This generation should no longer pay for the sins of a generation that has almost died out. Even the Malay community is ignorant of this.
“Another reason is that due to the low fertility, we need every Singaporean, every citizen counts. We cannot disregard qualified people simply on the lottery of birth. Now, even madrasah students have to serve National Service, which should be seen as a sign that they are trusted to serve their country.”
Terence further said that today, Singapore has Malay commandos and at least one fighter pilot. He shared: “Will we have Malay commandos? We already do. Malay fighter pilots? We have one, and I still remember that there was a huge discussion behind the scenes about whether we could trust him. Common sense prevailed.”

Furthermore, Terence claimed that”One of the reasons we do not have more Malay pilots is simply because they fail the selection test – particularly the mathematics test.”

He added that today, the SAF puts “Malays in many sensitive positions, from SIGINT to MINDEF itself. As long as you are qualified and determined enough, the SAF will take you, regardless of race or religion.”

As far as the Navy is concerned, Terence said that Muslims are not present on naval vessels “due to logistics, not religious discrimination. RSN’s policy is to not have vegetarians, Hindus who do not eat beef, or people who have any sort of food allergies.”

He added: “Our naval assets are meant to be ready for extended deployment. We do not have the luxury of stopping in the middle of a war to look for halal food.”

Terence’s response has received a hefty 16,500 views and 163 upvotes. Among the Quora users who upvoted Terence’s views is a former SAF officer. Read Terence’s response in full
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-there-no-Musl...e-Army-and-Navy
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so no wonder Malay in SAF is escorted when go into certain building and even forbidden in entering sensitive building

pendendam rupanya
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post Feb 28 2019, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 28 2019, 04:49 PM)
Whatever really is happening, it seems that Pakistan is really cool about this incident compared to India.

PM Imran Khan tone very reconcilatory in his address, while PM Modi seems like throwing blood and thunder. Having a high-ranking pilot shot down and captured on virtually the first day of the conflict seems to have humiliated India.
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from military pov mmg Pakistan cool as international law will back them
the IAF plane was shoot down inside Pakistan air space

India right now just trying to say that they are the victim

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Feb 28 2019, 10:57 PM)
Upcoming election and the leading political party in India is backed by extremist hindus. We should be suprised it took this long
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ooo macam the nation down south la
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post Mar 6 2019, 03:26 PM

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lol
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Mar 12 2019, 04:59 PM)
Wow...... x sangka. Pagi ni punye event. Lusa di lumut
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wei ko ada kuantan ka
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Mar 12 2019, 08:48 PM)
Touch ptg semlm, tgh hari ni dh jalan
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gitu laa diaaa
igt baru bleh buat side roll sama2

hahaha, beres slamat bertugas skot!
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Mar 12 2019, 09:13 PM)
Sori2.....mmg kejar masa ni. Nk cari rekrut submariner baru
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patut la
takpe2 good luck semoga dapat inspire new gen of submariner lepas ni
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 19 2019, 03:52 PM)
A look back in History: Malaysia close to seal A-4 Skyhawk deal

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sos

Sekali pegawai-pegawai TUDM pegi boneyard kt US tu nak tengok keadaan Skyhawk tu semua sebelum pembeli tu ambil, bila diorang check dengan registry takde pulak rekod pembelian oleh Malaysia pada 35 kapal terbang Skyhawk tu. So deal tu off la, sebab kita tak boleh buktikan pemilikan 35 kapal terbang tu kepada pembeli.

Untuk context, masa kita beli 88 buah Skyhawk 2nd hand tu under program PERISTA, kita actually ambik 40 buah saja untuk service dengan TUDM. Selebihnya simpan di boneyard kt US untuk reserve & spare parts. Disebabkan rekod perkhidmatan yang buruk, kesemua 40 Skyhawk TUDM tu dihentikan service dalam masa tak sampai 10 tahun. Pastu bila kita nak jual baki Skyhawk yang tinggal kt boneyard tu, terjadi hal ni pulak....

Masalahnya duit masa awal2 beli semua 88 Skyhawk tu, bayar kat siapa? Alahai Malaysiaku shocking.gif
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hilang tu alasan US ja
bila pegawai nak carik dalam congress notes depa tak bagi
US jugak yang halang bila kita nak ambil baki tu pasal ada negara lain protest Malaysia banyak pejuang
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 19 2019, 06:33 PM)
Ala you know I know you know la. Ada negara tu kan x bleh nak tgk malaysia nak maju sikit laugh.gif

Dengar2 dulu bila negara tu dengar malaysia announce nak tubuhkan 10 Briged Para, dia punya protes mcam nak terbalik dunia.
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Haa betul la negara tu sampai Raegan administrator hold deal Perista tu

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Mar 19 2019, 08:44 PM)
sempat tanggal kasut lagi tu
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pasal mmg depa serbu dalam surau
saspek pun bila nampak polis terus bagi kerjasama
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 22 2019, 05:40 PM)
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For a few years after she graduated from the Nanyang Technological University, Major Veronica Tan recalled, she had no concrete plans for her career — until she signed up to be an army regular.

Before that, she was working at a friend’s company, and then she took up a job as a consultant running leadership camps for schools and businesses.

Today, the 38-year-old commanding officer of the 48th Battalion Singapore Armoured Regiment (48 SAR) leads about 550 men in her army battle group, and they primarily train and fight with tanks.

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/im-we...-until-i-retire

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From nine years old, Senior Warrant Officer (SWO) Jennifer Tan would often accompany her late father, First Warrant Officer (Ret) Tan Hock Hai, to his workplace at the Tanglin Detention Barrack.

The trips gave her first-hand experience of what a military career involved and influenced her decision to join the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) in 1984 at the age of 18.

She became an administrative supervisor and applied for the woman combat scheme in 1988, two years after the army recruited its first female combatants.

Over the years in the Armour formation, she rose through the ranks and is now set to become the SAF's first female Chief Warrant Officer.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/saf-...warrant-officer

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 22 2019, 11:40 PM)
What I'm most pissed off regarding recent local military fuckups is the clusterfuck that is the Kedah-class OPVs.

Not only the horribly corrupt management of the PSC shipyard managed to overblow the budget halfway until the government had to bail them out and transfer the project to Boustead, not to mention the PSC CEO, Amin Shah embezzled millions from the project and managed to flee to Dubai.

Then the construction was delayed repeatedly due to technical and QC issues, ballooning the cost even further. And then the final nail in the coffin was that even when the ships was finally launched and ready to put into service, there were no funds to properly arm the ships with missiles and they were forced to serve just as oversized OPVs.

With such a cursed existence, the government seems to glad to wash its hands of the project, leaving the class with only six overpriced & oversized OPVs. And to think that the Kedah-class corvettes were to once originally  planned to be the cornerstone of TLDM's power with 27 ships and be the base to secure Malaysian naval supremacy in the region.
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apa nak buat
kawan baik kan innocent.gif
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 24 2019, 12:18 AM)
Recent? Kedahs only? rolleyes.gif

Msia isn't serious about defence period

Or almost anything really

Don't know how we survive to this day
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why not list it and we shall see

banyak je projek kawan baik kne bail out

tak payah nak cakap pertahanan aja

betul tak?
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 24 2019, 12:55 AM)
Yeah agreed
Frankly more than I can remember on the spot

Well, IMO controversial defence buys would include:

Aermacchis, A400, Aludra UAV, F-5Es, LMS, Gowind delays, Kedahs, Scorpenes, Lekiu delays, Kasturi (though I understand there was some dispute with the Germs), Laksamanas (incompatible gear), Jerung/Perdana Handalan, AV8, Steyr, Adnans,

Mostly issues with pricing and contract performance

What's the name of the new training ship? Gagah Samudera?
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Gagah samudera is actually not an issue of curruption rather it is involving the UN lol

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