sorry if my points was not made clear. but what i was trying to said earlier is,no matter the circumstance there is nothing to worry from buying from US or EU. we have issue but it does not hinder the relationship to the point of embargo or sanction.

my brooding over ESSM and MICA was because when say about SAM, most people goes to S400 or S300 or even patriot system which is expensive and overkill for us. its good to say this things as people read and educate them. plus most never think the good of commonality in reduce cost and logistic.

about Argentina war, i dont know how they got the conclusion US and France wont butt in but US have a lot to gain from Argentina lose rather than won in IMO.

1 complete battery of NASAMS. Unconfirmed report a second batch is in process.

Actually don't know exactly the reported cost.

while against hezbollah in south lebanon, IDF went in with large numbers of reservist, which was met with fierce resistance against a smaller number of hezbollah fighters..

agreed..tapi beli banyak skit la..36 ke 44 ke...ari tu offer klu beli banyak dapat MPA free kan??ke dpt erieye free?

So why is the tulpar a light tank and not a medium tank? I asked as to what constitute a medium  or light tank. And why some 30 ton class armored vehicles aremt? You hit the nail on its head when you referenced sales/marketing pitches.

In no way does it detract from the main fact that these are essentially 30 ton class armored vehicles. You just put a large cannon on top. You can also call a jeep with a 105mm recoiless rifle a compact light tank.

naming convention these days dont mean much.. peenoise madmax apcs by modern standards are a joke... but still apcs

only the israelies maintain their toys top notch

Fire support esp in urban settings. They are really fire support vehicles.

t-15
sleek looking

dont need name calling la, be civil and engage in constructive discussion... if easily triggered then dont continue la

yea, why not... that's the role assigned...

the only exception is the merkava being able to ferry infantry... that's a special tank... the rest, fits the role given
wonder whether elements of the xm8 is incorporated into the design

sure...we sure can afford F35
pffffff   

If buy American just get F18 or F15SE

I say Malaysia should settle with Gripen NG or more F18

please no typhoon or su35. those plane looks like no future.
85m is good actually. its the correct price for 5th gen so far.
last time i read, the government accountability office have been inform the F35 will be priced around 90m-95m range,so its already down so much now.
if we can afford,it would be good but its operating cost will make RMAF broke soo much 
F18 yeah...its a good decision. but Gripen NG just big NOPE. its not just procurement cost and operating cost should be review but also the future plan. the F35,F18 or F15 already have future plan where it will be upgrade with more feature overtime to be able to keep up with future tech. but typhoon,gripen or even Rafale  was none. if we want to upgrade,we need to figure out ourselves means we need to make the R&D and its very costly and time consuming. example looks at our MKM,its one of its kind and take a lot of time and resources to get the necessary abilities.

Still not free from US control (ITAR) as they manufactured the Gripen E engine (GE 414G), unless we are willing to spend additional funds to change the engine to other manufacturer like Rolls-Royce or Safran.

Link: Gripen E Multirole Fighter Aircraft

Typhoon upgrade was already stated during buy in including Brimstone and Paveways, Meteor BVRAAM and Captor AESA radar but dont know about CFT(maybe i miss those). when those upgrade available, the user will be able to get it. the reason i said it have bleak future because german air force may decided(some said already in motion) to get F35 rather than another batch of typhoon. this will be follow by other EU maybe which will make the market even smaller for typhoon. thus less sale,no production,maybe close line and less future upgrade. but who know, the saudi and the gang might "cough" up money for BAE to upgrade typhoon since they cant get F35.

I not confident with Gripen NG. its the E/F series right??its still early stage and need time to mature.

IMO F16 able to be one of effective plane because it have a lot of user and all those feed info and help it improve. Gripen it will take time and need a lot of user. maybe if it win India IAF requirement it will be the next F16 in future.

UK and saudi will confirm upgrade but other will see if German get F35 and if its a better deal,who know man... 

once all those EU(surely UK) country got F35, most of them will integrate it with typhoon networking thus making it more deadlier as F35 stealth will find the target and link it to the typhoon to be eliminated. but the US will surely use their F15 in those situation. and new F15 upgrade able to carry more bomb and missile 

UK and Saudi will upgrade it. they are the big sponsor of typhoon.

thanks for that articles. its a good analysis. but the shocker is the price of F15X is somewhat affordable as quote in articles between $50 to $75 million.
why would LIMA cancel??did someone suggest that 

i thought it was design like that??F35 with full stealth but lack offensive capabilities complement with other asset(F15/F18) with lack stealth but full offensive capabilities.

although the F35 was suppose to be the replacement for other legacy(F16,F15,F18) it seem it only be F22 replacement.some also suggest having same plane to cover all mission will be cost effective but not strategic wise since most design have it flaw. so better to have 2 or 3 design to be safe. of course it only can be done with super power only not ciput budget nation.

btw, are you kl92's dupe? why repeating this topic again... lol